Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

[Patman]

Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

Dang. and here I was hoping against hope that you would keep your promise and ignore me. I'm disappointed.

We seem to be using Afghan special forces (auxiliary) directly controlled by CIA. not much different than Romans using local auxiliary to supplement the legions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_afghanistan_cia

So, what's wrong with that? We should have been doing more of that from the start... hell, that entire region should have been full of Al-Qaeda members and other islamists who nobody can figure out just when they were riddled full of bullets.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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All laws are based on moral dictates.

DING DING! That's what I was getting at in a not so subtle manner. All laws are based in morals.

 

[sagard]

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DING DING! That's what I was getting at in a not so subtle manner. All laws are based in morals.

Yep and the elections just determine if the war mongering "azz-holes" get to make the rules, or if the limp wristed kitties get a turn.

 

[Old Pio]

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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/shocking_video_of_racebaiting.html


Congressman Loretta Sanchez stinking up the election with an overtly racist pitch for votes. Loretta was the one who defeated B-1 Bob Dornan.

I assume the usual suspects, (starting with the president) who are the first to charge Republicans and conservatives with racism, will be falling all over themselves calling her out. No?

Try to imagine the reaction if an incumbent southern Republican made a pitch on Klan TV, during which he suggested "the Nigras" are trying to take "our" seat from "us." Olbermann's head would explode and Rachel would bench press a Volvo and then look for a Marine to beat up.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Tell me where we are cutting government revenues substantially? Are you talking about trying to extend the Bush tax cuts? Sounds more like increasing government revenue if they aren't extended to me...

Tell me why the government deserves the amount of money it is currently getting? Tell me where in the constitution it says that the government can spend whatever it wants as long as it taxes its citizens enough to cover those costs.

Reagans big experiment has been analyzed time and again. Look at the basic relationship between the cutting of taxes under Reagan and the resulting record deficit. To make things worse, by the time he left office the country was sliding into a recession.

Today, there's no spending in the economy. Somebody has to spend something to keep money moving through the economy.

The problem is that the GOP drove spending into a resulting bubble. And in the end, a lack of oversight took away our chance to avoid the resulting financial crisis. The GOP hasn't spent nearly enough time on the bench.

Define morals. Abortion? Stealing? Perjury? Drugs?

When government decides what is legal and what is not, what is this based on?

I'm fine with the way society is now and the continued direction of progress. Between censorship, 'patriot' intrusion into lives, increased allowance of firearms, changes in freedom of choice...conservatives fight the general tendency of society. Frankly its counter to the concept of democracy.

From Reagan to Bush to Bush...every conservative administration has come out on a fiscal conservative platform and spent the lionshare of its time with a domestic social conservative agenda and pushing towards military/war. And in the end has had no better record...if not worse...than Dems. When will society learn its lesson?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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increased allowance of firearms...conservatives fight the general tendency of society. Frankly its counter to the concept of democracy.

Did you really just say that..?

I mean... That's, just... That's just the stupidest thing I have ever heard. My head literally hurts now.

You know what else the public seems to be going against? Free speech, protection from forced self-incrimination, police not being allowed to randomly walk into your house, and anything less than a billion-dollar bail for jay-walking.

 

[XYZ]

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Look at the basic relationship between the cutting of taxes under Reagan and the resulting record deficit.

As usual you're spending your time in a vacuum tube.

You can't use future deficits (or surpluses) to determine the effect of a tax cut (or increase) enacted at a given time. It seems simple enough, but I'll assume you need it explained to you: try looking at revenues.

Any resultant deficit/surplus is resultant of a myriad of things well beyond a change in tax policy. Might want to check out spending at this point.

For now I'll ignore any impact dozens of other economic/social/geopolitical/etc. factors might have on any and all of the above, but it's all in play.

I don't feel like dredging up more hamster wheel rolling dispute of the Laffer Curve, nor am I smart enough to understand how it all fits together -- if I was I'd be writing books.

However, refusing to acknowledge the complexity of the world economy and pawning if off like you did is hideously simplistic and worthless.

How's that 394 commute working out for you? Take any lead in the helmet lately?

 

[Bakunin]

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To make things worse, by the time he left office the country was sliding into a recession.

Reagan left office in January of '89. Here is a chart showing real GDP growth: http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds...&idim=country:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=us+gdp+growth
The US was nowhere near a recession in '89. The idea you would try to claim that it was is simply laughable since it's so easily disproven.

The rest of your rambling drivel isn't even worth a response as far as I can tell.

 

[Old Pio]

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Oh, please dear God, let us have the "Reagan Recession" again (he made a movie with a chimp, dontcha know?).

 

[walrus]

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How's that 394 commute working out for you? Take any lead in the helmet lately?

Isn't it obvious?

 

[busterman62]

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Isn't it obvious?

And here I thought the reason was "bus trauma." I gotta start paying more attention.

 

[Kepler]

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Yep and the elections just determine if the war mongering "azz-holes" get to make the rules, or if the limp wristed kitties get a turn.

Don't blame me. I vote for the war-mongering kitties.

There's nothing wrong with conservative principles in the abstract. The problem is for the last 30 years they've been used to front a racket.

 

[Kepler]

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Contract with America II:This time it 's contract-ier?

Jobs:

- Stop job-killing tax hikes

- Allow small businesses to take a tax deduction equal to 20 percent of their income

- Require congressional approval for any new federal regulation that would add to the deficit

- Repeal small business mandates in the new health care law.

Cutting Spending:

- Repeal and Replace health care

- Roll back non-discretionary spending to 2008 levels before TARP and stimulus (will save $100 billion in first year alone)

- Establish strict budget caps to limit federal spending going forward

- Cancel all future TARP payments and reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

Reforming Congress:

- Will require that every bill have a citation of constitutional authority

- Give members at least 3 days to read bills before a vote

Defense:

- Provide resources to troops

- Fund missile defense

I like the ones about reforming Congress, hopefully they follow through on that.

This probably should move to the Congress thread, but what the hell.

Just because most of this stuff is barely concealed self-serving tripe doesn't mean something good can't come of it. And let's hear it for the Dems who managed to have a super-majority and still not set the agenda for Congress. That takes a special kind of political incompetence.

I would call and raise big:

Taxes:

- Eliminate the income ceiling on payroll tax.

- Eliminate all corporate and capital gains tax loopholes. Corporate and capital gains taxes will now be flat.

Reforming Congress:

- End Senate Cloture.

- End anonymous holds in the Senate.

Defense:

- Terminate all US combat deployments overseas.

- All future combat deployments must have a citation of specific Congressional approval.

- Double troops' salaries at all non-officer grades.

- Protect troops by formally declaring the United States will never authorize or engage in torture.

Spending:

- Bring all spending on budget --all "off budget" military or social spending must be brought onto the main budget or ended.

- End the War on Drugs, saving $500 billion over ten years ($300 billion at the state level in ending unfunded drug mandates passed to the states), and eliminating the financial and judicial burden of 2 million unnecessary arrests and incarcerations per year.

- Adopt the CATO Institute's policy prescriptions in Policy Analysis no 667., Budgetary Savings from Military Restraint, cutting the budget by $1.2 trillion over 10 years.

 

[joecct]

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oh, don't think for a second that 5mn still doesn't want morals applied... he wants his morals applied. The left likes republicans because they just might find ways to do their things for cheaper... and that's it. Same thing here... 5mn wants Republicans who will do things like universal healthcare but do it cheaper.

All laws are based on moral dictates.

But what if the legislative body was amoral?

El Presidente the other day lifted a phrase out of the Declaration about our inalienable rights. Only he forgot to mention who endowed those rights. Yes, I know that Rush, Hannity, Laura are all up in a palaver over it, but I really don't think that our President has a religious bone in his body, and that disturbs me.

Our Congre$$ does not give a rat's behind on morality, just what goody they can give out that ensures reelection. Hence, I think that body, as a whole, is amoral. I hope they all lose in November.

 

[Kepler]

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But what if the legislative body was amoral?

I think they meant that all laws are deontological, but even that's not the case. Plenty of laws -- the vast majority -- are about the "how" of process, not the "what" of policy. And even among the laws that are normative, plenty of them -- again, the majority -- are consequentalist: there's no "ought" in most law, just balancing between competing interests to achieve the best overall result.

This is one of a million reasons why the cult of "discovered law" is absurd. Laws are negotiated. The state is not a family, a church, or any other metaphor, and the source of law is not a father, a god, or any other metaphor. It's a state; the source is the competition of interests. Originalism is as dead as mercantilism, and for the same reason -- killed by the underlying reality of markets.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Don't blame me. I vote for the war-mongering kitties.

There's nothing wrong with conservative principles in the abstract. The problem is for the last 30 years they've been used to front a racket.

I'll give you 22 years It's hard to argue against the fact that the republican party has lost its way on being fiscally responsible. They get elected on fiscal restraint and then spend on their own conservative pet projects. Thats exactly why the tea party is growing. People are sick of it. They want government to get under control and stay within its means

 

[goldy_331]

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Interesting read by Dinesh D'Souza in this week's Forbes on Obama's motivation. Basically claiming the "Dreams from my Father" book gives insight to his father's anti-colonialism which BHO has absorbed and made his own. It's not on-line yet so no link.

 

[moe24]

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Interesting read by Dinesh D'Souza in this week's Forbes on Obama's motivation. Basically claiming the "Dreams from my Father" book gives insight to his father's anti-colonialism which BHO has absorbed and made his own. It's not on-line yet so no link.

How can there be no link? I read that almost 2 weeks ago.

Besides it's nothing more then a rehashing of half-baked theories that were floating around last election cycle.

 

[Craig P.]

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Interesting read by Dinesh D'Souza in this week's Forbes on Obama's motivation. Basically claiming the "Dreams from my Father" book gives insight to his father's anti-colonialism which BHO has absorbed and made his own. It's not on-line yet so no link.

Wrong, it's been online for a couple of weeks and been rather thoroughly hashed out in the previous incarnation of this thread. (And so far, it seems to be characterized as bunk by anybody to the left of the far right.)

 

[LynahFan]

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Interesting read by Dinesh D'Souza in this week's Forbes on Obama's motivation. Basically claiming the "Dreams from my Father" book gives insight to his father's anti-colonialism which BHO has absorbed and made his own. It's not on-line yet so no link.

I'm no fan of Obama (the man or the administration), but that article is junk. A desperate plea for attention by D'Souza, IMHO.