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Obama XIV: President VISTA with SP2

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Bakunin said:
What happened to due process?
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Nobody is arguing against due process, but, really, at least most cases shouldn't take years to sort through.

To me it sounds more like a case of justice delayed is justice denied.
 
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Bob Gray said:
The rubber room issue, which I've heard of, has no nexus with the question of someone putting in their years, retiring, and then coming back in some capacity to do some further work.
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I never said it did. I only said it was a function of tenure. Why, is he claiming I did? Typical Rover. When you're wrong about an issue, just lie about what the other person said.

Tundra said:
Red cloud you can vote your school board out and have a different contract with the teachers union. same easy solution to the excessive executive pay.
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Congratulations, you have an idea.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Nobody is arguing against due process, but, really, at least most cases shouldn't take years to sort through.
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I meant it in the context of a speedy trial / resolution of criminal charges. If you're accused of something (and are innocent), you'd naturally want it resolved quickly and want to be cleared of wrongdoing. Delaying the outcome of something like this serves the interests of no one - not the accuser, and certainly not the teacher - provided of course that the teacher wants to return to the classroom to do his/her job.
 
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Handyman said:
But that is a false argument (as made famous by Newt the hypocrit not attacking you) because Saudi Arabia doesn't practice religious freedom as a right and we do. By definition we should be better than them, not using them to justify our actions ya know?
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I disagree. It is precisely the point. We have religious freedom and 2000 mosques. They don't and have zero churches. We also had the Branch Davidians (until they started murdering ATF agents) and whack jobs of every description, Father Divine, Herbert Armstrong, Black Muslims, snake handlers and on and on. And nobody cares. Just don't murder us by the thousands, or advocate or plot to do so. That's not really asking so much is it? Don't slaughter 13 helpless GI's so you can get some brownie points with your "god," okay? Again, not a huge imposition from where I sit.

I can't think of oppositon to another mosque prior to this one. Can you?
And the issue here is proximity. The question has been asked: how close is too close? Well, instead of 600 feet, if they could arrange to have it 60 feet from GZ they would have. That's the point of the thing.

In an earlier post I agreed that we have to be careful here to balance our cultural and security concerns with the rights of Muslims to worship freely. And I agreed that in recent months there seems to have been some resistance to proposed mosque projects in places other than GZ. And that I was concerned about it. Seems likely the GZ mosque and the opposition to it, is responsible for this growing phenomenon.

There was a similar issue a few years back in Poland where there were plans to build some Catholic related stuff (church, nunnery, whatever) very close to Auschwitz. It was deemed inappropriate (which it was) at least in part because many of the architects of the Holocaust were raised Catholic, Hitler for instance.

Opposition to the GZ mosque is not evidence of our religious intolerance and I find lectures to the contrary by the village idiot mayor of NYC offensive.
 
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Handyman said:
But that is a false argument (as made famous by Newt the hypocrit not attacking you) because Saudi Arabia doesn't practice religious freedom as a right and we do. By definition we should be better than them, not using them to justify our actions ya know?
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Agreed. The US is supposed to be an example of how to do things right, not to aim for behavior comparable to a virtual dictatorship.

Old Pio said:
I disagree.
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I thought you were the guy who is big time against 'moral relativism'.
 
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Rover said:
Walrus, it doesn't surprise me UMaine gives college credits for Ebonics classes. My only question is does that only apply to hockey players or the entire student population? :D
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Yeah lots of interest in ebonics in this state.:D
 
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See, here's the thing, there are maybe four or five intelligence agencies you just don't f*king mess with. Mossad, MI-6, the russians, and the CIA/NSA with the latter likely being at the top.

If this guy wants to go ahead and screw with us, I hope we just bring the rain on him. He's an absolute waste of oxygen. If this was mossad he was screwing with, he wouldn't be alive right now.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
See, here's the thing, there are maybe four or five intelligence agencies you just don't f*king mess with. Mossad, MI-6, the russians, and the CIA/NSA with the latter likely being at the top.

If this guy wants to go ahead and screw with us, I hope we just bring the rain on him. He's an absolute waste of oxygen. If this was mossad he was screwing with, he wouldn't be alive right now.
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During the rampant kidnapings in Beirut, some folks wondered why Soviet officials seemed to be immune. An Israeli newspaper published an account in which a top Soviet diplomat was kidnapped then suddenly released. Turns out the KGB had snatched up a male relative of the lead kidnapper, turned him into a capon, and delivered the parts to the to the dude. That tactic probably wouldn't work with Julian since I'm betting someone's beaten us to the punch.
 
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If they do build a mosque, why not have a few (ok a lot) of NYC less desireable citizens (legal or not) set up shop right out front?

A few cabbies parked out front blowing horns during prayer time, a fire truck horn, sirens, ladies of the evening, better living through chemistry, etc. Just enough things to make a nuisance and drive the clientele away and bankrupt the place.

I'm sure the cops would be somewhere else when somebody complains. But if one iman roughs up one of the less desirable, blam! out comes the billy clubs and a few heads get hurt.

It's just a darn shame that these things happen. Just a darn shame.
 
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joecct said:
If they do build a mosque, why not have a few (ok a lot) of NYC less desireable citizens (legal or not) set up shop right out front?

A few cabbies parked out front blowing horns during prayer time, a fire truck horn, sirens, ladies of the evening, better living through chemistry, etc. Just enough things to make a nuisance and drive the clientele away and bankrupt the place.

I'm sure the cops would be somewhere else when somebody complains. But if one iman roughs up one of the less desirable, blam! out comes the billy clubs and a few heads get hurt.

It's just a darn shame that these things happen. Just a darn shame.
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Nothing wrong with a little civil disobedience.
 
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Old Pio said:
I disagree. It is precisely the point. We have religious freedom and 2000 mosques. They don't and have zero churches. We also had the Branch Davidians (until they started murdering ATF agents) and whack jobs of every description, Father Divine, Herbert Armstrong, Black Muslims, snake handlers and on and on. And nobody cares. Just don't murder us by the thousands, or advocate or plot to do so. That's not really asking so much is it? Don't slaughter 13 helpless GI's so you can get some brownie points with your "god," okay? Again, not a huge imposition from where I sit.

I can't think of oppositon to another mosque prior to this one. Can you?
And the issue here is proximity. The question has been asked: how close is too close? Well, instead of 600 feet, if they could arrange to have it 60 feet from GZ they would have. That's the point of the thing.

In an earlier post I agreed that we have to be careful here to balance our cultural and security concerns with the rights of Muslims to worship freely. And I agreed that in recent months there seems to have been some resistance to proposed mosque projects in places other than GZ. And that I was concerned about it. Seems likely the GZ mosque and the opposition to it, is responsible for this growing phenomenon.

There was a similar issue a few years back in Poland where there were plans to build some Catholic related stuff (church, nunnery, whatever) very close to Auschwitz. It was deemed inappropriate (which it was) at least in part because many of the architects of the Holocaust were raised Catholic, Hitler for instance.

Opposition to the GZ mosque is not evidence of our religious intolerance and I find lectures to the contrary by the village idiot mayor of NYC offensive.
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I agree with most of this.

I don't understand the intolerance argument. I'm not sure how that comes into play when we have more mosques in the United States than there are churches in Islamic countries, namely yemen, saudi, iran, pakistan, iraq, etc.


the building of the ground zero mosque serves one main purpose really. It's symbolism, and very meaningful symbolism at that. Calling it "Cordoba" as initially desired was the indication of victory/triumph in word, let alone the physical victory of building this mosque right next to ground zero. Since Cordoba was the capital of the Islamic Caliphate (then called Qurṭuba) from the 10th or 11th century that Bin Laden himself alludes to frequently. In fact he calls for the re-introducing or re-establishing of that calliphate almost in every tape he delivers.

really this is enough for me to say no.

I hope the construction workers of the country rally around the flag and say, "no, not here, not this time"
 
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ScottM said:
I'm surprised the NSA hasn't yet figured out how to disable his site(s). Or get the files he supposedly maintains as "insurance.
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they're not the mossad. Mossad are the best agency in the business. if they were on this case the site would be down and Mr. Julian Assange would be in parts unknown, probably to be discovered 100 years from now.
 
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joecct said:
If they do build a mosque, why not have a few (ok a lot) of NYC less desireable citizens (legal or not) set up shop right out front?

A few cabbies parked out front blowing horns during prayer time, a fire truck horn, sirens, ladies of the evening, better living through chemistry, etc. Just enough things to make a nuisance and drive the clientele away and bankrupt the place.

I'm sure the cops would be somewhere else when somebody complains. But if one iman roughs up one of the less desirable, blam! out comes the billy clubs and a few heads get hurt.
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You really think they can be this polite in NYC? ;)
 
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ScottM said:
I'm surprised the NSA hasn't yet figured out how to disable his site(s). Or get the files he supposedly maintains as "insurance.
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They probably know how... I doubt Obama would authorize such an action because it plays into his political desires... failure in Afghanistan and failure in Iraq.

Recall that Obama and the liberals want to destroy and de-legitimize any ideology where the power of the US military is to be used. That's why EVERY action is going to be the "next Vietnam". The administration hasn't said much about this situation... but it has let the Pentagon look flaccid in front of Mr. Assange.

There's also precedence taking... I don't think the liberals are quite ready for some of the dark hand stuff of previous eras which an action would clearly be. They've spent so much time delegitimize such 70s and 80s dark hand action. If they take him down there will be a lot of screaming.
 
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