Obama XIV: President VISTA with SP2

[Handyman]

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They're in the minority. What exactly is it that you want them to do about it?

Being in the minority means they aren't allowed to speak out against something? Well crap what has been the problem then since last year

It isn't hard to admit publicly it is time to end the wars...and doing so will work on spending too! Its a 2-fer!

 

[Bob Gray]

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That's nice to get rid of the bureaucratic hassles, but passing such a law probably just brings them in compliance with RLUIPA and avoids some lawsuits:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Land_Use_and_Institutionalized_Persons_Act

Sounds like that doesn't go as far as the Arizona law.

 

[sagard]

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They're in the minority. What exactly is it that you want them to do about it?

They aren't going to be in the minority for long. Things go in cycles. The fiscal conservative argument is the only logical long term approach. They should win elections and as long as they don't act like they did during the "W" administration they will win the majority of the elections.

I realize playing the "there is no way we can be that stupid" card is effective, after all it got Obama and all the current Dems elected. I just hope when the next batch of Repubs take over they move a bit to the right fiscally and at least acknowledge those in center socially aren't treasonous hippies.

 

[Bob Gray]

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They aren't going to be in the minority for long. Things go in cycles. The fiscal conservative argument is the only logical long term approach. They should win elections and as long as they don't act like they did during the "W" administration they will win the majority of the elections.

I realize playing the "there is no way we can be that stupid" card is effective, after all it got Obama and all the current Dems elected. I just hope when the next batch of Repubs take over they move a bit to the right fiscally and at least acknowledge those in center socially aren't treasonous hippies.

You assume long term logic wins out in politics? Good heavens man, what nation do you live in?

 

[MinnFan]

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Dismantling America

It is no coincidence that those who imagine themselves so much wiser and nobler than the rest of us should be at the forefront of those who seek to erode constitutional restrictions on the arbitrary powers of government. How can our betters impose their superior wisdom and virtue on us, when the Constitution gets in the way at every turn, with all its provisions to safeguard a system based on a self-governing people?

 

[Rover]

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Dismantling America

I think its more of those of us who are gainfully employed and contributing to the upkeep of American look down on discontented righties who got us into this mess, but who would rather now collect an unemployment or welfare check and then complain about the very govt that's funding them to live their shiftless lifestyle.

 

[Kepler]

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It is no coincidence that those who imagine themselves so much wiser and nobler than the rest of us should be at the forefront of those who seek to erode constitutional restrictions on the arbitrary powers of government. How can our betters impose their superior wisdom and virtue on us, when the Constitution gets in the way at every turn, with all its provisions to safeguard a system based on a self-governing people?

This is a perfect summation of the mosque kerfuffle.

 

[Old Pio]

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Well now, what could make this mosque business worse for Democrats? We already have "the most articulate national leader in the history of the world" reduced to jibberish. And his chief legislative deputy in the senate is heading for the exits. Well, how about Nancy Pelosi calling for an "investigation" into funding for the opposition to the mosque?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-debate-zoning-issue-says-new-yorkers-decide/

Apparantly Peolosi sees no ethical, moral or legal distinction between Americans with an opinion different from hers spending their money to express that opinion and, say, various foreign Muslim entities funding this thing. She's not concerned (or even aware, I'd imagine) that "Imam" Rauf is on a little fund raising junket in the middle east courtesy of the taxpayer. In one breath she talks about how the mosque is a "local" matter for New Yorkers to decide. In the next, she's talking darkly about getting to the bottom of this matter.

There are many questions here. But the one that keeps rolling around in my head is: how did this silly b***h get to be the third most important person in our federal government? On your worst day, can you imagine Tip O'Neil suggesting an investigation of Americans availing themselves of the First Amendment?

If Roland Freisler and Andrei Vyshinsky aren't busy, maybe they could look into it for her.

 

[SteveF]

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well there is no question that if it was december already, no body would care about the mosque. it is certainly a political stunt at this point, as is every other issue that has popped up recently. politicians are just jockeying for position, trying to be the least to blame in november - regardless of R or D, in the end, we keep losing.

 

[collegehcky2]

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I typically stray away from these type of threads, but I'm pretty itching for some neg reps.

It seems the midterm elections coming up are being hyped much more than they should. While there are some very interesting races, what is more interesting is how there are internal conflicts within parties.

-The Republicans have seemingly relied on an old guard to discuss policies in the media (Gingrich for one) and the "Tea Party" has gained momentum in conservatives because of inefficiencies in party opinion.

-The Democrats have struggled with the recent scandals (Rangel, etc.) and the blame of the still struggling economy is looming large. The Dems have a majority and have lacked the nuts to push bills through Congress like the Republicans did from 2000-2004. Of course the non-incessant complaining over every little thing by the Republicans is a deterrent, but it's not as if there is no way to get around that.

Economically, Ben Bernanke (a Great Depression nut/scholar) said back when the economy went into the can, that it would take years (3-5) for the economy to show consistent signs of improvement. The far right has blamed the Dems for the poor economy (that was actually a combination of poor policy decisions from Bush II, early Clinton administration, and the Reagan administration), and the Dems have said wait, wait, wait. Well, the moderates from each party have realized that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was an attempt to hit a home run, but in reality, it has been slowed by party politics and bickering. Much of the funds have been allocated, but the money multiplying effect from the tax cuts and direct funds is just beginning. Patience is necessary, but the continued *****-footing of the Dems will delay the resurgence of the economy.

Finally, the notion of a double-dip recession is a poor term to use for what may happen with the economy. The only way a true double-dip recession will occur is if the federal funds rate is raised to prevent a dramatic increase in inflation. What is more likely to occur is that a significant event, such as a natural disaster, or large corporation going bankrupt, will send GDP and the Consumer Price Index into negative territory again, this will cause the recession (which is technically over after two straight quarters of positive growth) to continue, not sink further.

 

[Red Cloud]

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They aren't going to be in the minority for long. Things go in cycles. The fiscal conservative argument is the only logical long term approach. They should win elections and as long as they don't act like they did during the "W" administration they will win the majority of the elections.

I realize playing the "there is no way we can be that stupid" card is effective, after all it got Obama and all the current Dems elected. I just hope when the next batch of Repubs take over they move a bit to the right fiscally and at least acknowledge those in center socially aren't treasonous hippies.

Agree 100% with all of this. The GOP paid lip-service to fiscally conservative governance for years, and this, by and large, is going to be their last chance. If the GOP wins in November, it won't be for anything they've done or promised, that's for sure. It's going to be a reverse of the '06 and '08 elections - they'll offer less obvious incompetence.

The tea party movement, by and large, are supporting the GOP in November because they are not the party that has kicked spending into hyperdrive. If they were to set up a third party at this point, it would pretty much only guarantee that the Democrats would stay in power and nothing would happen. If the GOP gets power and then fails to live up to the standard, however, that will be the time (I hope) that the tea party movement becomes the Tea Party, or something along those lines. The GOP will lose, Democrats will take over again, but by that point it's a guaranteed 6 of one, half dozen of the other situation. Hopefully, that threat will keep the GOP in line on fiscal conservatism. If it doesn't, well, I won't be sorry to see them go.

 

[huskyfan]

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Another mind reader! Wow, I have to wonder why you cons haven't made it big in Vegas yet.

An alternative view of the mosque leader. Turns out he was pretty cozy with that Muslim lovin' Bush administration!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/685071

one doesn't need to read minds to understand basic tenets of Islam. one just needs to read.

 

[Rover]

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one doesn't need to read minds to understand basic tenets of Islam. one just needs to read.

I'm not sure reading Bin Laden sermons gives an accurate interpretation of an entire religion, any more than Hitler or Mussolini epitomized Catholicism. But, stay in your fantasy world.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I'm not sure reading Bin Laden sermons gives an accurate interpretation of an entire religion, any more than Hitler or Mussolini epitomized Catholicism. But, stay in your fantasy world.

Hitler and Mussolini were on a Catholic crusade? Ah, the strange world of Rover.

 

[Old Pio]

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It is comforting for the "blame America first" crowd to believe the problems with Islam are the product soley of Islamofascists like Bin Laden. The truth is somewhat different.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243899/tolerant-pose-andrew-c-mccarthy

 

[ScottM]

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Hitler and Mussolini were on a Catholic crusade? Ah, the strange world of Rover.

Well, of course. They wanted to liberate the Holy Land from the Saracens, and provide a homeland for the Jews. Then somehow ... things just went sideways.

 

[huskyfan]

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will the adhan ring out over Ground Zero. five times a day?

 

[Bob Gray]

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Well, of course. They wanted to liberate the Holy Land from the Saracens, and provide a homeland for the Jews. Then somehow ... things just went sideways.

Sounds like it ties into the Raiders of the Lost Ark somehow! Good thing Indy was there to thwart their Middle Eastern designs!

 

[Rover]

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Hitler and Mussolini were on a Catholic crusade? Ah, the strange world of Rover.

This coming from a guy convinced illegal immigrants are in a secret plot with Obama to turn the southwest into Amexica. What did that poster say to you about tin foil hats?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Well now, what could make this mosque business worse for Democrats? We already have "the most articulate national leader in the history of the world" reduced to jibberish. And his chief legislative deputy in the senate is heading for the exits. Well, how about Nancy Pelosi calling for an "investigation" into funding for the opposition to the mosque?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-debate-zoning-issue-says-new-yorkers-decide/

Apparantly Peolosi sees no ethical, moral or legal distinction between Americans with an opinion different from hers spending their money to express that opinion and, say, various foreign Muslim entities funding this thing. She's not concerned (or even aware, I'd imagine) that "Imam" Rauf is on a little fund raising junket in the middle east courtesy of the taxpayer. In one breath she talks about how the mosque is a "local" matter for New Yorkers to decide. In the next, she's talking darkly about getting to the bottom of this matter.

There are many questions here. But the one that keeps rolling around in my head is: how did this silly b***h get to be the third most important person in our federal government? On your worst day, can you imagine Tip O'Neil suggesting an investigation of Americans availing themselves of the First Amendment?

If Roland Freisler and Andrei Vyshinsky aren't busy, maybe they could look into it for her.

Quote of the day I heard when the person caught wind of this investigation, "Somebody throw a bucket of water on this witch." I laughed out loud at work when I heard that.