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Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

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Let me explain. If CBS was the only outlet on earth...the term liberal is meaningless and it just comes down to my opinion (and in your eyes your own opinion). A comparative with other outlets is necessary...if you're applying a comparative evaluation (liberal)...and you are.

In the end, Fox is on the right (which slants its news with its agenda)...BBC is on the left (which slants its news with its agenda)...and CBS is in the middle (a station for which there is no evidence of any overarching agenda).



Show me where I 'blame America' and what I blame it for...I simply explained American attributes relative to the world. Both great ones...ones with opportunity. And no, I'm not whomever from your past you think you're debating with.

"Continuously Improve America First" is the vaccine to deliver an even better future.

This obsession with Fox is really quite total, isn't it? Any analysis which proclaims CBS as "moderate" is fatally flawed. While CBS may not be as lefty at Daily Kos, it by no means is "moderate." Again, you refuse to consider or even acknowledge the multiple examples I provided of their repeated, historic deviations from accepted journalistic practices. Fine. Have it your way.

Your posts consistently take a position from the left, sometimes from the very hard left. And I submit that an unbiased person reading those posts would conclude that you find the United States to be a real problem in our world. If the United States would only behave better, then we could usher in some sort of paradise.

The Blame America First crowd always yammers about "talking truth to power," claiming the best way to "improve" America is to discuss its faults. Trouble is, all they can ever talk about is faults. And based on our previous go 'rounds and your multiple posts, I have concluded that you are firmly in the Blame America First crowd. Frankly, you give away the store with your snarky comment about "someone from my past." Of course, Old Pio is working out some "issues" and taking them out on little old me. Bosh. I don't know anything about you except what you post. Unlike yourself, evidently, I'm not into psychoanalyzing people with whom I'm having a discussion. I simply try to deal with the plain language they use.

You have said, more than once, that the case for CBS being described as liberal is "dubious." And you've insisted, more than once, that the only way to analyze CBS is by comparison with Fox (a subject which evidently consumes you day and night). I believe we're talking here about objective standards of journalism which both of them violate pretty consistently. But for some reason, you're prepared to give CBS the benefit of the doubt when their behavior over the years clearly doesn't warrant it. To my knowledge, Fox has never done the things I outlined initially. If it had, you would have mentioned those transgressions, since every jot and tittle of what happens on Fox is apparantly of galactic importance to you.

I would recommend you do what liberals always suggest when someone complains about content: change the channel. I don't watch Fox. I suggest you try it.
 
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Plus, he thinks he's a comedian. Which is funny, in an unintentional kind of way.

He's entertaining. Maddows is funny too, but in a smug kind of way.

I'm sorry, Glenn Beck is the only person on Fox News who even pretends that the GOP is not infallible. Plus, he might break down on the air and go mental. His interviews are hilarious.

Scooby's dependence on Simple Math and the power of the Rodents makes him a socialist.
 
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He's entertaining. Maddows is funny too, but in a smug kind of way.

I'm sorry, Glenn Beck is the only person on Fox News who even pretends that the GOP is not infallible. Plus, he might break down on the air and go mental. His interviews are hilarious.

O'Reilly is the funniest of them all though. Watching delusion on TV is great entertainment and O'Reilly is king in that dept.
 
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Any analysis which proclaims CBS as "moderate" is fatally flawed. While CBS may not be as lefty at Daily Kos, it by no means is "moderate." Again, you refuse to consider or even acknowledge the multiple examples I provided of their repeated, historic deviations from accepted journalistic practices. Fine. Have it your way.

Sure, you named a few bits that show a liberal slant, but how many pieces aired during this same time frame would come across to the average viewer as neutral? How many might lean right? Potentially how many might innacurately be deemed slanted due to the inherent bias of a particular viewer? I have no dog in this hunt either way, just making an observation that CBS may in fact repeatedly espouse commie-pinko propoganda, but no one with half their wits would be willing to aver as much based upon the sampling of anecdotes provided thus far.

Either way what does it matter? People that want to believe one side is better than the other will never be swayed otherwise, while independents will laugh at all of them.
 
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O'Reilly is the funniest of them all though. Watching delusion on TV is great entertainment and O'Reilly is king in that dept.

I'd love to see O'Reilly and Olbermann have a one-on-one ... we could bet on who would "stroke out" first. I think Keith would be my bet ... in the first five minutes. :eek: :D
 
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Sure, you named a few bits that show a liberal slant, but how many pieces aired during this same time frame would come across to the average viewer as neutral? How many might lean right? Potentially how many might innacurately be deemed slanted due to the inherent bias of a particular viewer? I have no dog in this hunt either way, just making an observation that CBS may in fact repeatedly espouse commie-pinko propoganda, but no one with half their wits would be willing to aver as much based upon the sampling of anecdotes provided thus far.

Either way what does it matter? People that want to believe one side is better than the other will never be swayed otherwise, while independents will laugh at all of them.

I can only answer one of your hypotheticals: "How many (pieces of CBS "journalism") might lean right?" Answer: none. Now the caveat here is that we're presumably talking about the perceptions of normal people, not folks who inhabit the fever swamps.

It a free county and you (and Major) can continue to insist that CBS hasn't and doesn't exhibit bias in its reporting--notwithstanding ample evidence to the contrary. You can also echo the "Major" argument, suggesting there's a number of CBS's journalistic failings that will convince you. Well, what's the number? You and Major keep moving the goal posts and I'm reasonably confident that no matter how many revelations of CBS's well demonstrated liberal bias are provided, you and he will dismiss them.

The examples I provided aren't examples of "perception." They are examples of deliberate bias, with malice aforethought, to influence the public, to affect the outcome of a presidential election, to influence government policy, etc. That's not journalism, it's propaganda.

I agree, most of us are too smart to be influenced by this stuff. But I'm still baffled why you and Major (and presumably others) aren't the slightest bit offended by people who are supposed to be unbiased, but obviously aren't.
 
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I'd love to see O'Reilly and Olbermann have a one-on-one ... we could bet on who would "stroke out" first. I think Keith would be my bet ... in the first five minutes. :eek: :D

Maybe they'll destroy one another a decrease the surplus db population.
 
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How so? Please cite my socialist leanings, I'd like to hear them.


I would "guess" you are a socialist, leftist, liberal, or demorcrat based on your constant berating of the anything-right wing related. For example, you commented on the Automatons of the right, but you never seemed to mention Keith Olbermann and his automatons for being just as repulsive as those are the far-right/fringe.

Just saying.

So answer a question for me: are you a democrat or republican, or do you just slam the right? :D
 
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O'Reilly is the funniest of them all though. Watching delusion on TV is great entertainment and O'Reilly is king in that dept.

Olbermann is the funniest of them all though. Watching delusion on TV is great entertainment and Olbermann is king in that dept.

Not a personal assault on you Scooby, I'm just trying to keep it real.
 
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Olbermann is the funniest of them all though. Watching delusion on TV is great entertainment and Olbermann is king in that dept.

Not a personal assault on you Scooby, I'm just trying to keep it real.

No, that's fine but I really think you're missing the nuance of Bill O'Reilly. Keith doesn't spend his days believing he's a fair and balanced commentator. That's the difference. If you asked Keith are you a leftist shrill he would likely say yes. If you asked Bill if he's a right wing lunatic he would say no.

So, I really honestly think you missed my point entirely.
 
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No, that's fine but I really think your missing the nuance of Bill O'Reilly. Keith doesn't spend his days believing he's a fair and balanced commentator. That's the difference. If you asked Keith are you a leftist shrill he would likely say yes. If you asked Bill if he's a right wing lunatic he would say no.

So, I really honestly think you missed my point entirely.

I disagree with you, Olbermann said in an interview last year on CNN that he had an epiphany to leave sports and do politics after the Invasion of Iraq started. According to Olbermann himself, "... I made it my personal quest to inform America of the wrongs of Dubya and the right." But he is just a comedy guy like Stewart, right? Right?

So which side do you profess to sit, left or right or do you just slam all right people?
 
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I disagree with you, Olbermann said in an interview last year on CNN that he had an epiphany to leave sports and do politics after the Invasion of Iraq started.

So which side do you profess to sit, left or right or do you just slam all right people?

And what does that have to do with his right or left leanings and what he would admit? Are you feeling slammed? I don't think I hit anyone hard enough to qualify for the slam title. The right is more fun to pick on though. They have the biggest rabbit ears.

I think most on the board consider me left. Like most folks I have issues where I lean left and issues where I lean right.
 
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I just dislike everyone in politics.

Not as much as NBA officials, of course.
 
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And what does that have to do with his right or left leanings and what he would admit. Are you feeling slammed? I don't think I hit anyone hard enough to qualify for the slam title. The right is more fun to pick on though. They have the biggest rabbit ears.

I think most on the board consider me left. Like most folks I have issues where I lean left and issues where I lean right.

Who cares about the lads on the board, and where they think you lean. You seem like a likeable guy, but the question was direct: what party do you claim?!

I appreciate the answer, though I think it is a huge cop-out on your part. It is too easy to say, "... oh, I have left leanings, but I have right leanings too. So I will give you an ambiguous answer that really answers nothing at all." Meanwhile you criticize only the right, which is what leads one to conclude you are on the left... and not as middle of the road as you claim to be. ;)

I am not feeling slammed, thanks for asking, but I wonder if you are a Dem and have majority of house, senate and presidency, why the need to continually disparage ONLY the right?

Personally, I think starry-eyed big dreamer, moon-bat liberals are the most fun to pick on. Only because they love to spend other people's money for their social engineering agendas! ;)

I mean, come on, you cannot pull out any Barney Frank jokes?!?! :D
 
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No, that's fine but I really think you're missing the nuance of Bill O'Reilly. Keith doesn't spend his days believing he's a fair and balanced commentator. That's the difference. If you asked Keith are you a leftist shrill he would likely say yes. If you asked Bill if he's a right wing lunatic he would say no.

So, I really honestly think you missed my point entirely.

O'Reilly is a registered independent, you know? ;)
 
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Keith doesn't spend his days believing he's a fair and balanced commentator.

He doesn't? Do you even watch his show? He constantly slams FOX as not a news station while at the same time proclaiming himself to be a "journalist" reporting the news.
 
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Personally, I think starry-eyed big dreamer, moon-bat liberals are the most fun to pick on. Only because they love to spend other people's money for their social engineering agendas! ;)

Sure, Moon-Bats are great. But, it's not the Moon-Bats who have everyone in the country convinced that America elected the second coming of Chairman Mao. Or, that America is converting to socialism. Sure, the Moon-Bats are crazy about clean air, clean water, and whacking as many unborn kids as they can but they failed at making the country scared of GW Bush.
 
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