Obama 7 - now what?

[amherstblackbear]

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Are you advocating that we discard Rasmussen when they're contracted by Fox?

 

[Old Pio]

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There is a sort of equivalence between Fox and The Daily Show. The difference (other than the latter being pitched eight grade levels higher) is that one is comedians doing a comedy routine. On Fox, the comedy is unintentional and without self comprehension, and the audience doesn't get the joke. In a way, with Fox the audience is the joke.

Would you mind delaying this group grope for a while? My snarkometer just broke.

 

[Rover]

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Thanks, but I'll take Rasmussen over a rag ....



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Ahhh...nothing wreaks of desperation like quoting Rasmussen. The very pollster I crushed in my brilliant analysis of how every swing state he polled going into the weekend of the 08 election he had a bias towards McCain in (9 states in total). All the way up to 8% in some cases, while no biases towards Obama. Yup, dat's wat we knuckledraggers call "im-pah-she-ality"

 

[DisplacedCornellian]

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There is a sort of equivalence between Fox and The Daily Show. The difference (other than the latter being pitched eight grade levels higher) is that one is comedians doing a comedy routine. On Fox, the comedy is unintentional and without self comprehension, and the audience doesn't get the joke. In a way, with Fox the audience is the joke.

It's funny because it's true.

Fox certainly seems to be geared more at entertaining a certain demographic than informing anybody.

 

[dropthatpuck]

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Boo, hoo, hoo. Fox is picking on us and calling attention to our transgressions. Sniff, sniff, sniff. Big meanies.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on Tuesday pointed to two top-rated opinion shows on Fox News as the reason why the Obama administration has castigated the network as an illegitimate news organization.

Gibbs weighed in on the controversy after several top White House advisers have gone on other channels to criticize Fox News' coverage of the administration, dismiss the network as the mouthpiece of the Republican Party and urge other news organizations not to treat Fox News as a legitimate news station.

Gibbs said White House officials "render (that) opinion based on some their coverage and the fairness of that coverage."

But asked how Fox News was different from other news organizations, Gibbs mentioned the channel's 5 p.m. and 9 p.m. shows, in an explicit reference to "Beck" and "Hannity" -- even though those two shows represent opinion programming.

Informed that those hours are for opinion programming, Gibbs said: "That is our opinion."

Michael Clemente, senior vice president of news for Fox News, issued a statement Tuesday defending the company.

"Hundreds of journalists come to work each day at Fox News all deeply committed to their craft. It's disappointing that the White House would be so dismissive of their fine work and continue their vengeful war against a news organization," he said.

The White House also appeared to stand by its effort to urge other networks to isolate and alienate the channel. Gibbs said Tuesday that it's up to the White House Correspondents Association to decide whether Fox News should continue to be part of the White House pool which covers President Obama.

"I'm not going to delineate for the White House Correspondents Association how the pool is conducted. That's not my job," he said.

The pool, the rotation through which the networks share the costs and duties of White House coverage, represents the most significant interaction among the news channels. Despite the Obama administration's guidance to other channels to disregard Fox News, there are no indications so far from the other networks that the pool relationship will change.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod on Sunday called on media outlets to join the administration in declaring that Fox News is "not a news organization."

"Other news organizations like yours ought not to treat them that way," Axelrod counseled ABC's George Stephanopoulos. "We're not going to treat them that way."

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel told CNN on Sunday that Obama does not want "the CNNs and the others in the world (to) basically be led in following Fox."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I mentioned this before but they're somewhat right about Hannity who pretends to give the news. Even O'Reilly's Bernie Goldberg segment admitted as much.

Why they would spend any time on the psycho Beck is beyond me. It's all folly anyway, anyone who can't watch both sides and figure out that their both biased is in lockstep anyway and can't be persuaded no matter how sound the argument.

What makes me angry is that O'Reilly back in the day (even though slanted as hell, and often as psycho as Beck just hidden in an insidious way) used to have an entertaining show. Now he spends ALL his time whining about NBC and the New York Times and with the White House whining it has consumed his entire broadcast.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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What makes me angry is that O'Reilly back in the day (even though slanted as hell, and often as psycho as Beck just hidden in an insidious way) used to have an entertaining show. Now he spends ALL his time whining about NBC and the New York Times and with the White House whining it has consumed his entire broadcast.

As long as they're going to be in 3rd place in the ratings, it would be nice if CNN decided to re-commit themselves to something like news. People on the right and left know where to go if they want entertainment.

 

[Kepler]

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As long as they're going to be in 3rd place in the ratings, it would be nice if CNN decided to re-commit themselves to something like news. People on the right and left know where to go if they want entertainment.

Was CNN ever news? Its apotheosis was the white Bronco. It's never been anything but E! misspelled.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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They're capable of better, though. I don't remember CNN being as insipid as it is today back in the 80s and early 90s. Maybe that's just because I got old when I wasn't looking.

When I spent time in Berlin, CNN International seemed at least 63% less pointless than what we get here.

I'm being a starry-eyed optimist here, but I have to think there's at least some market for journalism on TV.

 

[unofan]

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Was CNN ever news?

Sure, but it was back in the days when you not only didn't have cable, but didn't own a TV, and were proud of it...

But at its inception, it really was a news network. Just like MTV was a music station, and ESPN was a sports station. (god, remember when Sportscenter used to show 30 seconds of highlights and a full box score from every MLB game, including the Royals-Rays games?)

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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As long as they're going to be in 3rd place in the ratings, it would be nice if CNN decided to re-commit themselves to something like news. People on the right and left know where to go if they want entertainment.

That would be nice. Someone might be able to do that now and make money. Have a tagline something like "We're news, they're not.", or "Fair and balanced? We never has to ask ourselves that."

Watched a little O'Reilly tonight. He's become a parody of himself. It's sad. He just said, "Look at my ratings." again? It's pathetic.

 

[MattS]

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(god, remember when Sportscenter used to show 30 seconds of highlights and a full box score from every MLB game, including the Royals-Rays games?)

Those were the days..... so sad they are gone.

 

[omahasioux1]

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Boo, hoo, hoo. Fox is picking on us and calling attention to our transgressions. Sniff, sniff, sniff. Big meanies.

Communism is alive and well.

 

[Proud2baLaker]

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Didnt CNN use to be just Headline News all day? Simply reporting what was happening and that was it. No spin.

 

[blockski]

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Was CNN ever news? Its apotheosis was the white Bronco. It's never been anything but E! misspelled.

No. It's never been 'news.' In fact, you can make the case that TV period has never been news, just a means to deliver the news. I'm pretty sure Walter Kronkite said as much.

The key difference before CNN was that the 'news' was just a half hour every night, supplanted by some real legwork from programs like 60 Minutes.

Simply put, there's not enough news to report to fill 24 hours and get ratings. That's not necessarily an issue with CNN, though - they just took the weakness of television to the logical extreme.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Fox certainly seems to be geared more at entertaining a certain demographic than informing anybody.

I don't think that they're geared towards entertaining the demographic that you might be thinking of. Fox News is satire at its best. While I'm nowhere near their polar opposite, I'm pretty freakin' far from Fox News' core demographic. Yet, even I found this to be mighty hilarious:

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It's like a Kaufman-esque joke on any dimwit stupid enough to take to heart anything they find on cable. Or at least, that's what we'll keep telling ourselves to dull the painful realization that someone as insane as Glenn Beck probably makes more money looking incredulous for five minutes than most of us make in a month.

 

[Slap Shot]

How dare Congress want the government not to do business with companies that have, "Rape is ok" clauses in their contracts. And **** that Obama for trying to instill a sense of responsibililty in the American people. Hell in a hand basket indeed.

 

[Kepler]

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How dare Congress want the government not to do business with companies that have, "Rape is ok" clauses in their contracts. And **** that Obama for trying to instill a sense of responsibililty in the American people. Hell in a hand basket indeed.

Oops. (Last time I checked the DoD was part of the executive.)

This is heartwarming, though.

 

[unofan]

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Didnt CNN use to be just Headline News all day? Simply reporting what was happening and that was it. No spin.

No. Headline News was always its own network, separate from CNN itself. That said, Headline News has probably taken the biggest dive of any network ever. Even Ted Turner mocks it, now. It's completely unwatchable.

 

[unofan]

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Oops. (Last time I checked the DoD was part of the executive.)

This is heartwarming, though.

Didn't you uys used to decry the GOP doing the same sorts of political stunts? Then let me throw a familiar retort back at you, why waste time with this Al Franken b.s. and pass the g** d*** health care reform.