Obama 7 - now what?

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Wait, Fox News *isn't* the Republican mouthpiece?

I kid, I kid.

They were practically the State News Organization a few short years ago...

That's not to say that CNN or MSNBC don't suck as well, but let's get serious here: Fox News is on a whole different plane of existence. There's political bias in the media and then there's Lowest Common Denominator bias in the media.

Obama's aides really need to stop this idiocy with Fox News. It's like arguing with a donkey (cue Family Guy clip) or a petulant child. Or like trying to disagree with Bill O'Reilly on his show- you're just going to make them yell louder and ignore anything you have to say even more. There are no winners when you reduce yourself to that. What good does it do them to stoop to their level? The right thing to do (for White House employees) is to just ignore Fox News, like the rest of us.

The right thing for Fox to do? I don't know. I can't care. OLIGARH would be par for the course, I'm sure.

 

[amherstblackbear]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Even if he does look the part, Shep Smith isn't 1/20th the tool that some of his colleagues are.

Of course, if the White House agreed to talk to him, he'd probably get fired for straying too far off the reservation.

 

[rufus]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

They were practically the State News Organization a few short years ago...

You mean like.................................Pravda?

 

[dropthatpuck]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

The Dems have let the claim of false equivalency between Fox and the news networks go for way too long. Just treat them as what they are: the media arm of the GOP.

Spoken like a true lefty. Good work. I somehow feel vindicated by this post.

 

[Billy Blanks]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Didn't you just arrive here in AZ like last week? First, welcome to the state. Hope you are settling in well and all. If you have any questions on local stuff, feel free to ask me. Maybe you can catch a Yotes game before they head off to somewhere where maybe they'll get some good management and be a decent team. You've come at the best time of year, as the next 7 months will be beautiful. Then you get to experience an Arizona summer.

My friend has been in AZ real estate for a couple decades, and, no offense, but I'll believe him before you. He did say he was told that by someone at a major lender in AZ, and it hadn't actually happened, so maybe the timing is a little later or something.

On the appraisers, my friend basically said there was maybe 5 percent of the market that was doing funny stuff, so, as is the case with so many things, a few bad actors mess it up for everyone else. My point was yet another central bureaucracy is not helpful, except for curbing that small percentage of funny business. But everyone else just gets more paperwork and bureaucracy to deal with, which is inefficient.

Thanks for the nice welcome Bob. I've been doing business in Arizona for the last 5 years (which is why I was transferred here) so I am well versed in the trends of the local market. No offense to you, but Realtors have no clue what is going on when it comes to financing no matter how long they have been licensed, hence why they sell real estate and not mortgages.

Before I was transferred here for good, I was flying in twice a month, so I am completely familiar with the area.

I am heading to the Coyotes-Wings game on the 22nd with some realtors. I've seen them play several times before. It sure is a different atmosphere than in Detroit.

 

[Plante26]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

They were practically the State News Organization a few short years ago...

That's not to say that CNN or MSNBC don't suck as well, but let's get serious here: Fox News is on a whole different plane of existence. There's political bias in the media and then there's Lowest Common Denominator bias in the media.

Obama's aides really need to stop this idiocy with Fox News. It's like arguing with a donkey (cue Family Guy clip) or a petulant child. Or like trying to disagree with Bill O'Reilly on his show- you're just going to make them yell louder and ignore anything you have to say even more. There are no winners when you reduce yourself to that. What good does it do them to stoop to their level? The right thing to do (for White House employees) is to just ignore Fox News, like the rest of us.

The right thing for Fox to do? I don't know. I can't care. OLIGARH would be par for the course, I'm sure.

Because Chris Matthews & Co. haven't been getting off on Obama since he first came on the scene. You will find little-to-no opposition/criticism of the Obama administration on any news network outside of Fox.

That said, anyone who argues that Fox doesn't have a conservative slant isn't paying attention. Just like MSNBC (and CNN, to a lesser extent) have left-leaning coverage. It's the way it is. For the most part, most news organizations report the facts.....just with the spin they choose to put on them.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Bad move Obama. Now those idiots who actually believe everything the Fox News Channel says are going to feel even more vindicated.

Apparently going after Rush Limbaugh wasn't enough.

This is akin to Don Quixote fighting windmills, it's f-cking stupid. Work on the country, arsehole.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

No, I talk to these people all the time. They're such Permanent Victims that anything plays into their drama queen party. It's like saying you shouldn't dismiss Farrakhan because his supporters will feel vindicated.

The Dems have let the claim of false equivalency between Fox and the news networks go for way too long. Just treat them as what they are: the media arm of the GOP.

The gut instinct is to feel that coming after Fox is a bad idea. And it probably all in all is. Especially for Obama.

Having said that...much of it is how its positioned. If staff gets emotional or defensive and complains about Fox it will appear whiny and weak and play into Foxes hands. On the other hand, if they largely ignore Fox but periodically say something like 'oh and of course Fox is the voice of the far right GOP...so anyways, back to the discussion...', then they can plant some seeds. Do these 'take it for granted' seeds work with the current Fox addicts? No. But they will sink in to the mainstream who has a general respect for Obama...and that's where the message needs to be.

 

[Slap Shot]

This is like the bestest present ever for Fox....and it will drive the other cable news outlets nuts.

Which is great news for their OMG!BEZTEZT#1FANOMG!!!

 

[amherstblackbear]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Because Chris Matthews & Co. haven't been getting off on Obama since he first came on the scene. You will find little-to-no opposition/criticism of the Obama administration on any news network outside of Fox.

That said, anyone who argues that Fox doesn't have a conservative slant isn't paying attention. Just like MSNBC (and CNN, to a lesser extent) have left-leaning coverage. It's the way it is. For the most part, most news organizations report the facts.....just with the spin they choose to put on them.

I don't think Fox and MSNBC are equivalent. I don't watch a lot of either, so I may not be the best one to comment.

But I know that MSNBC gives 3 hours every weekday morning to Joe Scarborough. Obama gets criticized from the right on that show. Maybe not from the wingnut right... The guy who follows Scarborough seemed like a populist/libertarian type the one time I watched. He was ranting about how nobody was pushing for individual vouchers as a solution to health care reform. That's not a Democratic Party position at all. So it's safe to say that that guy is also willing to criticize the Obama administration from the Right. In primetime, Olberman and Maddow spend most of their time going after Republicans. When they do have an original thought, though, it's usually to criticize Obama from the Left.

What they (morning & primetime alike) don't do is attack the Obama administration. For that, there's no place like Fox.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Having said that...much of it is how its positioned. If staff gets emotional or defensive and complains about Fox it will appear whiny and weak and play into Foxes hands. On the other hand, if they largely ignore Fox but periodically say something like 'oh and of course Fox is the voice of the far right GOP...so anyways, back to the discussion...', then they can plant some seeds. Do these 'take it for granted' seeds work with the current Fox addicts? No. But they will sink in to the mainstream who has a general respect for Obama...and that's where the message needs to be.

Ditto.

 

[dropthatpuck]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

I'm (not) surprised Watcher isn't in here complaining about reporters being shut out of Gitmo to cover military commission hearings under this administration. Probably because his hero got some bad press after some detainees made up signs (which of course, were the source of the bad press) comparing him to Stalin.

Funny how that evil W didn't block the media from covering such things.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Semi old but good, how are these the republicans that were able to remain in office?

<table style='font:11px arial; color:#333; background-color:#f5f5f5' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='360' height='353'><tbody><tr style='background-color:#e5e5e5' valign='middle'><td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;'><a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com'>The Daily Show With Jon Stewart</a></td><td style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; text-align:right; font-weight:bold;'>Mon - Thurs 11p / 10c</td></tr><tr style='height:14px;' valign='middle'><td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;' colspan='2'><a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-14-2009/rape-nuts'>Rape-Nuts</a></td></tr><tr style='height:14px; background-color:#353535' valign='middle'><td colspan='2' style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; width:360px; overflow:hidden; text-align:right'><a target='_blank' style='color:#96deff; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/'>www.thedailyshow.com</a></td></tr><tr valign='middle'><td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'><embed style='display:block' src='http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:item:comedycentral.com:252468' width='360' height='301' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' wmode='window' allowFullscreen='true' flashvars='autoPlay=false' allowscriptaccess='always' allownetworking='all' bgcolor='#000000'></embed></td></tr><tr style='height:18px;' valign='middle'><td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'><table style='margin:0px; text-align:center' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='100%' height='100%'><tr valign='middle'><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes'>Daily Show<br/> Full Episodes</a></td><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.indecisionforever.com'>Political Humor</a></td><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/09/23/ron-paul-on-the-daily-show-tuesday-sept-29/'>Ron Paul Interview</a></td></tr></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

 

[dropthatpuck]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Heh, heh, heh. Silly n00b gets his news from Al Franken and Stewart. No wonder the country is going to hell in a handbasket.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Heh, heh, heh. Silly n00b gets his news from Al Franken and Stewart. No wonder the country is going to hell in a handbasket.

They simply have the most amusing depiction of it.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

There is a sort of equivalence between Fox and The Daily Show. The difference (other than the latter being pitched eight grade levels higher) is that one is comedians doing a comedy routine. On Fox, the comedy is unintentional and without self comprehension, and the audience doesn't get the joke. In a way, with Fox the audience is the joke.

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Righties pleasuring themselves to Fox news doesn't seem to be helping their party much...

From the latest Washington Post poll: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451_2.html


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Overall, 57 percent approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president and 40 percent disapprove. While those numbers have moved only marginally over the past few months, here, too, are fresh signs of restiveness among the party faithful: "Strong approval" among liberal Democrats is down 16 percentage points over the past month.

On the economy, 50 percent approve of Obama's efforts, while 48 percent disapprove.

The president receives better marks from all Americans for his handling of international affairs and his performance as commander in chief (57 percent approval on each). Slim majorities also approve of how he is dealing the situation with Iran and his winning of the Nobel Peace Prize. A majority disapprove of his work on the federal budget deficit.

Partisan divide


Despite those mixed reviews on domestic priorities, Obama continues to hold a big political advantage over Republicans.

Poll respondents are evenly divided when asked whether they have confidence in Obama to make the right decisions for the country's future, but just 19 percent express confidence in the Republicans in Congress to do so. Even among Republicans, only 40 percent express confidence in the GOP congressional leadership to make good choices.

Only 20 percent of adults identify themselves as Republicans, little changed in recent months, but still the lowest single number in Post-ABC polls since 1983. Political independents continue to make up the largest group, at 42 percent of respondents; 33 percent call themselves Democrats.

The wide gap in partisan leanings and the lack of confidence in the GOP carries into early assessments of the November 2010 midterm elections: Fifty-one percent say they would back the Democratic candidate in their congressional district if the elections were held now, while 39 percent would vote for the Republican. Independents split 45 percent for the Democrat, 41 percent for the Republican.

The poll was conducted by conventional and cellular telephone from Oct. 15 to 19 among a random sample of 1,004 adults. The margin of sampling error for the full poll is plus or minus three percentage points.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yikes! That idiot that tried to send his kid up on a hot air balloon has better poll numbers than Republicans. Really, who supports that party anymore? dropthatpuck, Patman, Red Cloud...anybody else? What the knuckledraggers don't seem to realize is that half of the anti-Obama sentiment is from Ron Paul types who aren't voting Republican next election. In short, you're screwed.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

half of the anti-Obama sentiment is from Ron Paul types who aren't voting Republican next election. In short, you're screwed.

"Half" is an over-estimate, but it probably is something like 10-15%, and they are also the ones getting all the coverage (town halls, deathers, etc). The GOP has the same problem the Dems did in trying to fight off Reagan -- you cannot compete with a popular president with a positive message when all you say is "no," and "the sky is falling," and "you'll be sorry." Reagan got stronger with the center as he went along because the sky did not fall, so the opposition was unmasked as Chicken Little. It might have been different if there had been fresh ideas and idealism coming from the opposition, but all they had was gloom and dire warnings.

If consumer confidence is low it will be nip and tuck, with both sides mostly holding serve (the GOP has much less to protect and can concentrate on it). If consumer confidence is high, the GOP will get smoked again and have to clean house starting with the inept types like Steele, and that alone will set them back another cycle to regroup their fundraising and recruiting. If you were a young conservative with high aspirations for your political future, would you hitch your wagon to these morons while the anti-GOP waves are still cresting -- particularly when within another cycle or two you know there will be a natural anti-incumbent backlash and you can have gravity on your side?

 

[dropthatpuck]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

Righties pleasuring themselves to Fox news doesn't seem to be helping their party much...

From the latest Washington Post poll: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451_2.html

Thanks, but I'll take Rasmussen over a rag ....

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12. The Approval Index rating has been lower only on two days since the current President took office (see trends).

The President’s plan for sending $250 to senior citizens gets mixed reviews from the public. Fifty percent (50%) like the idea, but support falls to 41% when the price tag is mentioned. Seniors are less enthusiastic about it than younger adults.

Forty-four percent (44%) have confidence in the stability of the U.S. banking system, 50% do not. Seventy-eight percent (78%) say that Wall Street has benefited more than taxpayers from the bank bailouts.

The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter and Facebook.

Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty percent (52%) disapprove.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

 

[dropthatpuck]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

...or we can look at a State in which he won handily:

Quarterly Survey – September 2009

The following results are based on 600 completed telephone interviews among a statewide random sample of adults in New Hampshire. Of the 600 interviews, 572 interviews were among registered voters (166 Republicans, 171 Democrats, and 235 undeclared voters). The interviews were conducted September 25 through 29, 2009.

The theoretical margin of error for the total sample of 600 is plus or minus 4 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split. The theoretical margin of error for the sample of 572 registered voters is plus or minus 4.1 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split.

Question wording and responses:

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barrack Obama is handling his job as president?

Approve / Disapprove / Undecided

Total sample 34% 57% 9%

Voters 35% 56% 9%

Republicans 4% 88% 8%
Democrats 78% 17% 4%
Undeclared 26% 60% 14%

Barack Obama:
6/09 51% 41% 8%
3/09 54% 32% 14%

He started with 54% approval (way better than the national average) in March and has fallent to 34% today. Discounting those fansy Dems, he's lost his GOP voting base entirely, and the vast majority of indies.

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/nhp04.html