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Obama 7 - now what?
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dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
See? This administration's trampling on the Constitution again.
Oh, goody. In case the birthers and death squadders need another non-issue to fret about, they can turn to this...
See? This administration's trampling on the Constitution again.
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
I assume that means you differentiate as between politics and, say, Olympic basketball.
I assume that means you differentiate as between politics and, say, Olympic basketball.
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Barry, keep the change.Oh, goody. In case the birthers and death squadders need another non-issue to fret about, they can turn to this...
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
Another beauty right here...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff
Why is it that social conservatives always want to tell you how to run the most personal decisions in your lives?
Another beauty right here...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff
Why is it that social conservatives always want to tell you how to run the most personal decisions in your lives?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
"They use my bathroom"? Christ on a cracker.
Rover, that's not "social conservatism," it's just the thinking of someone who grew up in a different era. It's very typical of a bygone age of thinking. I specifically recall a conservation with my Dad (now in his mid 80's) when I was in college where he said that as far as he was concerned mixed race marriages were moral except "I worry about what their kids will face." This from an extremely thoughtful, intelligent, and very kind man, thirty years ago. It's just Olde Tyme Thinking. I'm sure thirty years from now there will be some guy saying something like this re: gay marriage. Probably in the same parish.
For that matter, the devout and even the most extreme Wackjob Fundies have often been right on the front lines for racial justice. Remember that Colorado football coach moron from a decade or so ago with "Promise Keepers"? He may have been a first prize idiot when it came to gender, but he was in-your-face against racism of any kind. I grew up knowing a lot of people like that.
So for all their hypocrisy, don't lay this one as the Fundies' door. This isn't Obama vs Anti-Obama, it's now vs the past.
Another beauty right here...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff
Why is it that social conservatives always want to tell you how to run the most personal decisions in your lives?
"They use my bathroom"? Christ on a cracker.
Rover, that's not "social conservatism," it's just the thinking of someone who grew up in a different era. It's very typical of a bygone age of thinking. I specifically recall a conservation with my Dad (now in his mid 80's) when I was in college where he said that as far as he was concerned mixed race marriages were moral except "I worry about what their kids will face." This from an extremely thoughtful, intelligent, and very kind man, thirty years ago. It's just Olde Tyme Thinking. I'm sure thirty years from now there will be some guy saying something like this re: gay marriage. Probably in the same parish.
For that matter, the devout and even the most extreme Wackjob Fundies have often been right on the front lines for racial justice. Remember that Colorado football coach moron from a decade or so ago with "Promise Keepers"? He may have been a first prize idiot when it came to gender, but he was in-your-face against racism of any kind. I grew up knowing a lot of people like that.
So for all their hypocrisy, don't lay this one as the Fundies' door. This isn't Obama vs Anti-Obama, it's now vs the past.
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Obama doesn't need the money. The U.S. Constitution cannot tell the Nobel Committee whom to name.
Problem solved.
Obama doesn't need the money. The U.S. Constitution cannot tell the Nobel Committee whom to name.
Problem solved.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
I will never be able to look at that bumper sticker phrase with equanimity because the first time I saw it was on a white power website. Serves me right for looking up a History Channel story on vikings in Minnesota.
I will never be able to look at that bumper sticker phrase with equanimity because the first time I saw it was on a white power website. Serves me right for looking up a History Channel story on vikings in Minnesota.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
Donate it to a peace organization. Accept the award on behalf of America at her idealistic best.Obama doesn't need the money. The U.S. Constitution cannot tell the Nobel Committee whom to name.
Problem solved.
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
I see 'conservatives' as being a group that is defined by (a variety of) conservative views. As in being spokespeople for policy concepts. On the otherhand, there are also 'ideologues' who see everything through a political lense and live in terms of good and evil via concepts such as 'socialism'. It is the latter group (and their supporters who have something more to gain from an Obama embarrasment) that continue to resurrect the story and attempt to turn something positive into what they try to position as an Obama failure.
I see 'conservatives' as being a group that is defined by (a variety of) conservative views. As in being spokespeople for policy concepts. On the otherhand, there are also 'ideologues' who see everything through a political lense and live in terms of good and evil via concepts such as 'socialism'. It is the latter group (and their supporters who have something more to gain from an Obama embarrasment) that continue to resurrect the story and attempt to turn something positive into what they try to position as an Obama failure.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
Conservatism as an internally consistent philosophy has never been the problem -- like liberalism it has a time-honored role in keeping society balanced between stability (conservatism) and flexibility (liberalism). Political life completely without one or the other would be unbearable.
The current hijacking of conservatism by the far right -- an extremely unconservative group and ideology -- is only temporary. They kept 50% + 1 terrified and confused for quite a while, but they've been exposed and only a few holdouts defend them. Another thumpin' or two and the GOP will vomit them up, because the GOP is only a machine to manufacture votes, and it doesn't like losers.
Conservatism as an internally consistent philosophy has never been the problem -- like liberalism it has a time-honored role in keeping society balanced between stability (conservatism) and flexibility (liberalism). Political life completely without one or the other would be unbearable.
The current hijacking of conservatism by the far right -- an extremely unconservative group and ideology -- is only temporary. They kept 50% + 1 terrified and confused for quite a while, but they've been exposed and only a few holdouts defend them. Another thumpin' or two and the GOP will vomit them up, because the GOP is only a machine to manufacture votes, and it doesn't like losers.
dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
Agreed.
Same with the far left - and to a greater extent. Extreme liberalism is the "philosophy" at work (currently) that is drastically altering the social state of the nation. The "far right" is merely reacting.
Agreed.
Same with the far left - and to a greater extent. Extreme liberalism is the "philosophy" at work (currently) that is drastically altering the social state of the nation. The "far right" is merely reacting.
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Well look who just woke up. 'Course nobody on the left could ever be accused of being an "idealogue" who "had something to gain" from the failure of a president they didn't like. It's only those mean old right wingers--most of whom are closet racists. Don't make me laugh.
If he were a real person I think I would have voted for Jed Bartlett. His liberalism at home was tempered by a real mean streak in foreign affairs (remember he whacked the prime minister of a friendly country--bah dah BING!).
Well look who just woke up. 'Course nobody on the left could ever be accused of being an "idealogue" who "had something to gain" from the failure of a president they didn't like. It's only those mean old right wingers--most of whom are closet racists. Don't make me laugh.
If he were a real person I think I would have voted for Jed Bartlett. His liberalism at home was tempered by a real mean streak in foreign affairs (remember he whacked the prime minister of a friendly country--bah dah BING!).
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Like DTP, I'm in agreement with your thoughts. However, it appears that the "current highjacking" of liberalism by the far left progressives may be more permanent that the highjacking of conservatism by the far right.
If ever there was a time to find a common middle ground, this might be it!
Like DTP, I'm in agreement with your thoughts. However, it appears that the "current highjacking" of liberalism by the far left progressives may be more permanent that the highjacking of conservatism by the far right.
If ever there was a time to find a common middle ground, this might be it!
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Wait, what?
Did someone on the far left hijack something? I must have missed it.
Wait, what?
Did someone on the far left hijack something? I must have missed it.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
Obama is a squishy liberal, although it's tempered with the sort of pragmatism that liberals know will abandon them when that's the path of least resistance. He's liberal the way, say, Bob Dole was conservative. He's not governing by ideology, or we'd be out of Iraq and Gitmo would be shuttered.
Pelosi is a solid liberal, but again, far left? "Far left" are the genuine socialists -- the folks who think Obama is a corporate puppet.
I'd prefer neither the far left nor far right have much of a voice. To my mind, the tragedy of the last 20 years wasn't that lefty lunatics didn't get any love, but that righty lunatics not only got love but an entire party apparatus to play with (and, as it turned out, run into the ground).
When Dennis Kucinich gets as much power as Newt Gingrich once had, I'll agree there's equivalence.
Obama is a squishy liberal, although it's tempered with the sort of pragmatism that liberals know will abandon them when that's the path of least resistance. He's liberal the way, say, Bob Dole was conservative. He's not governing by ideology, or we'd be out of Iraq and Gitmo would be shuttered.
Pelosi is a solid liberal, but again, far left? "Far left" are the genuine socialists -- the folks who think Obama is a corporate puppet.
I'd prefer neither the far left nor far right have much of a voice. To my mind, the tragedy of the last 20 years wasn't that lefty lunatics didn't get any love, but that righty lunatics not only got love but an entire party apparatus to play with (and, as it turned out, run into the ground).
When Dennis Kucinich gets as much power as Newt Gingrich once had, I'll agree there's equivalence.
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The U.S. Constitutions been HIJACKED by the SOCIALIST COMMIE DUCKSCRUBBERS in WASHINGTON!
Wait, what?
Did someone on the far left hijack something? I must have missed it.
The U.S. Constitutions been HIJACKED by the SOCIALIST COMMIE DUCKSCRUBBERS in WASHINGTON!
DisplacedCornellian
Let's Go Red!
Re: Obama 7 - now what?
Those ducks were dirty. They needed a good scrubbing.
The U.S. Constitutions been HIJACKED by the SOCIALIST COMMIE DUCKSCRUBBERS in WASHINGTON!
Those ducks were dirty. They needed a good scrubbing.
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I just looked the term up, and learned I've been mocking our noble Coast Guardsmen. That should have read, "GRANOLA MUNCHERS".
I just looked the term up, and learned I've been mocking our noble Coast Guardsmen. That should have read, "GRANOLA MUNCHERS".
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