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North Dakota 2016 Off-Season Thread

SteveO said:
Yes I do have a personal interest as an American in USA hockey development, but it's not an obsession. I've played alongside and against Canadians for years and many of them are still my friends. But if you understand the condescending attitude and compare the slower development of USA hockey over many years, then you'll understand why most serious American born hockey players and coaches have sought to take up the noble challenge to invest in USA hockey development programs in multiple ways. Are they obsessed too?

Any college team can recruit from Canada, it's not difficult. Personally I don't respect an annual Canadian recruiting quota of near 50% as has been demonstrated for literally decades on UND rosters with very little investment in local and USA hockey. What I do respect is John Mariucci's refusal to import overage Canadians to play in the US and "a win at all cost" attitude, who instead committed to sound principles of fairness and to promote USA youth hockey development in MN.

Because of Mariucci's commitment, his impact on MN hockey accelerated the growth of the sport throughout the state represented today at all levels of play. UND's recruitment of MN players has largely benefited from that commitment. I don't see UND's commitment to USA hockey and therefore until that changes, I'm not much impressed with the UND hockey program, or Ralph Englestad for that matter (but that's another issue).
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You aren't impressed with UND hockey. I'm happy for you. Well not really.
 
Re: North Dakota 2016 Off-Season Thread

Dirty said:
I think you may be overestimating its' value.
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Looks like someone's feelings got hurt. Think about Mariucci's commitment to principle and to USA hockey. Literally the facts show that historically UND's hockey success is partially due to him (> .02).:D
 
Re: North Dakota 2016 Off-Season Thread

SteveO said:
Looks like someone's feelings got hurt. Think about Mariucci's commitment to principle and to USA hockey. Literally the facts show that historically UND's hockey success is partially due to him (> .02).:D
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Benjamin Harrison deserves just as much, if not more, credit as John Mariucci for UND's hockey success.
 
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SteveO:

Do me a favor. Go and look at the Gopher FB roster. It's not exactly dominated by Gopher-staters. So, the same argument could be made there regarding in-state talent development. But, at least when UND goes out of state, it wins.
 
Re: North Dakota 2016 Off-Season Thread

SteveO said:
Yes I do have a personal interest as an American in USA hockey development, but it's not an obsession. I've played alongside and against Canadians for years and many of them are still my friends. But if you understand the condescending attitude and compare the slower development of USA hockey over many years, then you'll understand why most serious American born hockey players and coaches have sought to take up the noble challenge to invest in USA hockey development programs in multiple ways. Are they obsessed too?

Any college team can recruit from Canada, it's not difficult. Personally I don't respect an annual Canadian recruiting quota of near 50% as has been demonstrated for literally decades on UND rosters with very little investment in local and USA hockey. What I do respect is John Mariucci's refusal to import overage Canadians to play in the US and "a win at all cost" attitude, who instead committed to sound principles of fairness and to promote USA youth hockey development in MN.

Because of Mariucci's commitment, his impact on MN hockey accelerated the growth of the sport throughout the state represented today at all levels of play. UND's recruitment of MN players has largely benefited from that commitment. I don't see UND's commitment to USA hockey and therefore until that changes, I'm not much impressed with the UND hockey program, or Ralph Englestad for that matter (but that's another issue).
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Respect xenophobia. Got it. Check.
 
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My philosophy on how UND recruits:

I don't care about where the players come from.
I care about where they are going.
 
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Great. We finally win another title, after 16 years, and our reward is to re-fight the "Canadian" argument. Happens every time. MN can't trash the play so they gotta trash the player.
 
Re: North Dakota 2016 Off-Season Thread

Dirty said:
Man, having heroes who weren't even Americans much less Minnesotans. What is wrong with you?
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For me, it helped that they were trying to assimilate by taking rosemaling classes.
 
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I want to apologize to the dedicated UND fans here. Having played the game for a good portion of my life both in the US and overseas, I have strong opinions about USA hockey, and I realize some of them will be challenged by those who disagree. However, I'd like to backtrack a bit and say that my personal opinion and commitment to USA hockey should not overshadow the fine work of Coach Berry and the commitment and tenacity of the players and coaches of the UND hockey team in winning the national championship. It's very difficult to win a NCAA national championship and it's a tremendous accomplishment.
 
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Get real, big deal. UND had 7 Canadians on the 15-16 roster. So did every other college hockey program..... er, except maybe the goofs, they have not figured that out yet.
 
Ronnieb said:
Get real, big deal. UND had 7 Canadians on the 15-16 roster. So did every other college hockey program..... er, except maybe the goofs, they have not figured that out yet.
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That's the arrogance of most but not all gopher fans. We get our players from in state. Goody for them. As of now it has them as the 5th best college team in their own state. I'm sure they will be back at some point but times have changed. They aren't getting the best players anymore. Matter of time when they start looking north of the border.
 
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