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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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Slap Shot said:
Free speech is not about being paid an appearance fee after being privately chosen to attend a ceremony. In fact free speech was at play here when the students protested her selection. I may not agree with their opposition to her attending, but once again the FOX crowd can't see the forest for the trees and manufactures their need for umbrage.
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The Board of Governors voted to invite Condi, undoubtedly with full knowledge of her role in the Bush administration. "(Rutgers President) Barchi and other school leaders had resisted the calls to "disinvite" Rice, saying the university welcomes open discourse on controversial topics", but for the bleatings of the few -- squeaky wheel you know!

Not everyone at Rutgers is amused and I suspect they're not all FNC watchers
http://twitchy.com/2014/05/03/so-**...ds-on-norice-morons-that-hijacked-graduation/
 
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Slap Shot said:
Free speech is not about being paid an appearance fee after being privately chosen to attend a ceremony. In fact free speech was at play here when the students protested her selection. I may not agree with their opposition to her attending, but once again the FOX crowd can't see the forest for the trees and manufactures their need for umbrage.
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Bingo.
 
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SteveP said:
The Board of Governors voted to invite Condi, undoubtedly with full knowledge of her role in the Bush administration. "(Rutgers President) Barchi and other school leaders had resisted the calls to "disinvite" Rice, saying the university welcomes open discourse on controversial topics", but for the bleatings of the few -- squeaky wheel you know!

Not everyone at Rutgers is amused and I suspect they're not all FNC watchers
http://twitchy.com/2014/05/03/so-**...ds-on-norice-morons-that-hijacked-graduation/
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None of that addresses my comment nor demonstrates any kind of problem regarding "free speech". FAUX indeed.
 
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Slap Shot said:
None of that addresses my comment nor demonstrates any kind of problem regarding "free speech". FAUX indeed.
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First off, for those wishing to take a look, the censored part is the British equivalent of taking a wee.

Whether the people watch FOX Snooze or not, freedom of speech is a two way street, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Rutgers, although it is a state university but is not Congress, still reserves the right to refuse service for any reason at its domain. This does not prevent anyone from being able to speak at a location they claim; it is a distinction of exercising said rights at a location previously claimed by another entity.

This is where things get flaky in terms of permits, though. Is it a way of determining who has first claimed a particular location? Yes. However, it is unlawful, in accordance with the First Amendment, to restrict speech at a location within the public domain that has been claimed by no one.

If you're going to argue anything, argue the board's decision to reconsider.
 
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How is it a free speech violation when it appears that Ms. Rice chose to withdraw from the event, rather than cause a ruckus? I don't see anything in the articles posted which indicated that the Rutgers administration rescinded her invitation because a few students and the profs they're probably banging ;) happened to squawk about her involvement in the Iraq blunder (thereby also exercising their right to free speech). Unless, of course, you feel all that was done under the table, and that Ms. Rice simply delivered a classy prepared statement about not wanting to cause a scene, thereby keeping the adult parties here out of the mud. Which I concede is entirely possible. However ,that still does not make this a "violation" of anyone's free speech. It's simply precluding Ms. Rice from speaking at a university event which is by-invitation only. Naturally, we can debate the merits of the school's administration kowtowing to a few dozen neo-hippies, if that is what really happened here.
 
Gurtholfin said:
I realize that these twits don't represent all or even a lot of Boston fans, but really?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/p-k-subban-targeted-by-thousands-of-racist-tweets-after-habs-win-1.2629759


Boston would not be high on my list of places where I'd expect this, although not sure any NHL city would be.

I realize it's a heated rivalry, but these tweeters (?) got the N word trending in Boston. That's not one or two people causing this.
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To clarify this...

The word was never trending in Boston. The CBC based that report on one tweet and has since recanted. Further, the people who really did tweet Subban's name and that word were not from Boston, and had nothing to do with the Bruins. In fact, a closer look reveals that one is an Islanders fan, one is a Senators fan, several are Leafs fans (go figure) and a few others had no connection to hockey at all. A couple are actually "Boston Marathon truthers" who chastised me for having a Twitter avatar of the three "fake" victims, plus Officer Collier.

You can read more at the links below. In the interest of full disclosure, the picture of a noose did come from a teenaged girl in Wellesley, MA but I have not been able to find that tweet, only have heard that it existed.

The Montreal media tried to start another rumor that the Boston media stood and cheered in the press box when the Bruins tied the game yesterday. I asked Jamison Coyle, Joe Haggerty and Mike Giardi and all report that they did not see it happen and do not believe it happened.

https://www.facebook.com/john.forsyth.18/posts/10152420386884189?stream_ref=10
https://www.facebook.com/john.forsyth.18/posts/10152419344749189?stream_ref=10
https://www.facebook.com/john.forsyth.18/posts/10152419138639189?stream_ref=10 (The Senators fan in all his glory!)

I have to link this via my Facebook because the direct link won't work
https://www.facebook.com/john.forsyth.18/posts/10152423097514189?stream_ref=10

Another link: http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/obnoxiousbostonfan/2014/05/next_time_you_call_6_million_b.html
 
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Priceless said:
A couple are actually "Boston Marathon truthers" who chastised me for having a Twitter avatar of the three "fake" victims, plus Officer Collier.
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Why else was the government so ready to put Watertown MA under martial law, which actually happened?
 
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SteveP said:
The Board of Governors voted to invite Condi, undoubtedly with full knowledge of her role in the Bush administration. "(Rutgers President) Barchi and other school leaders had resisted the calls to "disinvite" Rice, saying the university welcomes open discourse on controversial topics", but for the bleatings of the few -- squeaky wheel you know!

Not everyone at Rutgers is amused and I suspect they're not all FNC watchers
http://twitchy.com/2014/05/03/so-**...ds-on-norice-morons-that-hijacked-graduation/
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The Night of the Long Knives surely did not put an end to the SA or at least to people who think like them.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
How is it a free speech violation when it appears that Ms. Rice chose to withdraw from the event, rather than cause a ruckus? I don't see anything in the articles posted which indicated that the Rutgers administration rescinded her invitation because a few students and the profs they're probably banging ;) happened to squawk about her involvement in the Iraq blunder (thereby also exercising their right to free speech). Unless, of course, you feel all that was done under the table, and that Ms. Rice simply delivered a classy prepared statement about not wanting to cause a scene, thereby keeping the adult parties here out of the mud. Which I concede is entirely possible. However ,that still does not make this a "violation" of anyone's free speech. It's simply precluding Ms. Rice from speaking at a university event which is by-invitation only. Naturally, we can debate the merits of the school's administration kowtowing to a few dozen neo-hippies, if that is what really happened here.
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Thanks for the analysis, Tevye. ;)
 
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burd said:
I don't think that's an example of chilled speech unless she was scheduled to speak on a topic the Sensitive Ones were all riled up about. 50 students in a sit-in? Tepid.
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That's exactly what I was thinking.

With yesterday being May 4th, at least one tv channel decided to run a Kent State show. It's just a reminder what life was like in the U.S. in the '60's and '70's, and what real protests look like.
 
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When I was young, one of the life lessons that everyone was taught early on was to beware of flatterers. If someone you don't know starts praising you effusively, they might be genuine, but they might be trying to trick you so that they could take advantage of you somehow.

I am amazed at how that lesson seems to be lost.

YOU are important! scream all the marketers and advertisers who stand to make money off of your participation. YOUR LIFE is so interesting we want to hear all about every excruciating detail!

Yeah, right. :(
 
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FreshFish said:
When I was young, one of the life lessons that everyone was taught early on was to beware of flatterers. If someone you don't know starts praising you effusively, they might be genuine, but they might be trying to trick you so that they could take advantage of you somehow.

I am amazed at how that lesson seems to be lost.

YOU are important! scream all the marketers and advertisers who stand to make money off of your participation. YOUR LIFE is so interesting we want to hear all about every excruciating detail!

Yeah, right. :(
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Eddie Haskell Theorum
 
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Old Pio said:
Detroit teacher fired for attempting to break up a student fight with a broom. She should have used an anvil.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/06/i...ly-violent-fight-gets-fired/?advD=1248,272200
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I work at a social service agency working with the homeless and hungry. Agency policy is to never touch a client. Never. When two of them are having a fight - a real one, unlike the glorified dance in this video - we are to call the cops and let them deal with it, but not touch the clients. Period.
 
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UncleRay said:
I work at a social service agency working with the homeless and hungry. Agency policy is to never touch a client. Never. When two of them are having a fight - a real one, unlike the glorified dance in this video - we are to call the cops and let them deal with it, but not touch the clients. Period.
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Well, apart from the fact that she's a teacher and doesn't work at a social service agency with homeless and otherwise fcuked up people and those punks are supposed to be students and not "clients", I take your point. Just arrest the survivor. Sound policy. She probably hasn't seen as many fights as you have and consequently hasn't developed your unerrring sense of which ones are "real" and which ones are "glorified dances." Stupidly, she was just trying to stop it before someone got hurt. What was she thinking?
 
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