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NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.


Ben Roethlisberger accuser says she told him ‘no’


By KATE BRUMBACK, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. (AP)—The young woman who accused Ben Roethlisberger(notes) of sexual assault said she tried to get away from the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback and told him “no, this is not OK,” according to police documents released Thursday.

In a statement to police on March 5, the 20-year-old college student said Roethlisberger encouraged her, and her friends, to take numerous shots of alcohol. Then one of his bodyguards escorted her into a hallway at the Capital City nightclub, sat her on a stool and left. She said Roethlisberger walked down the hallway and exposed himself.

“I told him it wasn’t ok, no, we don’t need to do this and I proceeded to get up and try to leave,” she said. “I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom.”

According to her statement, Roethlisberger then followed her into the bathroom and shut the door.

“I still said no, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me,” she wrote. “He said it was OK. He then left without saying anything.”

The woman’s statements were among hundreds of pages of the case file made public Thursday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Two of her friends said they saw a bodyguard lead her into the hallway and then saw Roethlisberger follow. They said they couldn’t see their friend but knew she was drunk and were worried about her.

Ann Marie Lubatti told police she approached one of Roethlisberger’s two bodyguards and said, “This isn’t right. My friend is back there with Ben. She needs to come back right now.”

She said the bodyguard wouldn’t look her in the eye and said he didn’t know what she was talking about. The GBI later identified that bodyguard as Ed Joyner, and the GBI also determined that the man who led Roethlisberger’s accuser down the hallway was Anthony Barravecchio. Joyner is a Pennsylvania trooper and Barravecchio is an officer on the force in the Pittsburgh suburb of Coraopolis.

Attorney Michael Santicola, who represents Barravecchio but said Joyner also is a longtime friend, confirmed on March 10 that the two officers were present, but not in an official capacity. He said the two men are friends with Roethlisberger and did not witness any criminal activity or inappropriate behavior. He said the officers “have no memory” of meeting his accuser.

Lt. Myra A. Taylor, a spokeswoman for Pennsylvania State Police, said Thursday night the agency is getting a copy of the investigative report from Georgia authorities. “We will thoroughly review the report and determine if there is a violation of Department regulations on the part of Trooper Edward Joyner,” she said.

Earlier this week, prosecutors said no charges would be filed against Roethlisberger, who has denied the accusations through his attorney. Ocmulgee Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright said Monday the woman’s accusations could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and that the woman had asked him not to pursue the case. Roethlisberger also is being sued in civil court by a former Nevada hotel employee for an alleged sexual assault in 2008. No criminal charges were filed in that case.

According to the investigators’ summary of events, Roethlisberger friend Brad Aurila had a conversation with the quarterback when they returned to his house that night and asked him why police showed up at the nightclub. In an interview with police, Aurila said Roethlisberger told him nothing had happened and that he “was in the back with a girl and they were ‘messing around.”’ Aurila said he “took ‘messing around’ to mean ‘kissing, whatever.”’

In her first statement to police hours after the incident, the woman said she and her friends first saw Roethlisberger at Velvet Elvis.

“He then met us at the Brick and called us a ‘tease.’ Eventually, we saw him at the Capital City and saw him there. We said ‘hey’ and he started talking to (redacted) (nothing in particular) and his bodyguard took him back to the room w/ bathroom,” she wrote. “I said, ‘I don’t know if this is a good idea’ and he said, ‘It’s OK.’ He had sex with me and meanwhile his bodyguards told my friends they couldn’t pass them to get to me.”

In a second statement on March 5, the woman went into more detail about the encounters with Roethlisberger, saying that he made “crude, sexual remarks” when the two groups encountered each other at the second bar, before they went to Capital City.

There, Roethlisberger was surrounded by women, according to statements made by the accuser’s friends.

“At the back of Capital City, the room was blocked off for him and females only,” Nicole Biancofiore wrote in a statement to police.

After the accuser emerged from the bar and told Biancofiore and Lubatti about the encounter, the women left.

“I walked up to the first cop car we saw and told them what happened,” Lubatti said in a statement.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is reviewing the matter and Steelers president Art Rooney II said Thursday that the league and team probably won’t settle on any punishment until after next week’s draft.

“When we get to the point where we have agreed with the commissioner on what that action will be, that’s when it will be imposed,” Rooney said. “After imposing an appropriate level of discipline and outlining the steps we feel will be necessary to be successful as a player and a person, we intend to allow Ben the opportunity to prove to us he is the teammate and citizen we all believe he is capable of being.”

Rooney said the team is prepared to discipline Roethlisberger now, but will wait for the league’s decision. Roethlisberger told him that he will accept the punishment, Rooney said.

Sparked partly by the Roethlisberger incident, Goodell sent a memo last week to NFL owners, executives and head coaches emphasizing the importance of the league’s personal conduct policy. According to the memo, which was first reported by the New York Times, the absence of criminal charges is not enough to excuse poor behavior.

“Unfortunately, in recent weeks there have been several negative incidents,” the memo stated. “These incidents include subjects that we have previously identified as particularly troublesome, such as alcohol-related offenses, allegations of violence against women, and weapons offenses. … The policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior. We must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful.”

The Roethlisberger case has infuriated the Steelers.

“I have made it clear to Ben that his conduct in this incident did not live up to our standards,” Rooney said. “We have made it very clear to Ben that there will be consequence for his actions, and Ben has indicated to us he is willing to accept those consequences.”
 
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I don't know if the police exactly said there was nothing there. The woman didn't want to press charges, which brings the same result I suppose, but the DA seemed to be to be rather convinced that a crime had occurred.

You know what I'm getting at, however.

Is Ben dumb for putting himself in these positions? Sure. But as far as everything is concerned, nothing illegal happened. You can't suspend someone for just being stupid, and doing legal things.
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

couple of follow up thoughts: as the commish, I'm not constrained by legal rulings...if I think that the league will be hurt by having 6'5" multi millionaires raping drunk 20 year old girls and playing the next game then I can suspend him. Are the owners and players going to say they support his actions? If they can picket Mike Vick, they can picket Big Ben.

Read the account from the police report with her two friends trying to get her out of the bathroom and his bodyguards refusing to let them. This is after the bodyguards dragged the girl down the hall so Ben could rape her.

If this was your sister, would you say "nothing happened" ?

Something happened. It was wrong. If I were Ben, I'd take the suspension and hope the girl's dad doesn't own a gun.
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

couple of follow up thoughts: as the commish, I'm not constrained by legal rulings...if I think that the league will be hurt by having 6'5" multi millionaires raping drunk 20 year old girls and playing the next game then I can suspend him. Are the owners and players going to say they support his actions? If they can picket Mike Vick, they can picket Big Ben.

Read the account from the police report with her two friends trying to get her out of the bathroom and his bodyguards refusing to let them. This is after the bodyguards dragged the girl down the hall so Ben could rape her.

If this was your sister, would you say "nothing happened" ?

Something happened. It was wrong. If I were Ben, I'd take the suspension and hope the girl's dad doesn't own a gun.

I have a nice mat from Office Space you can borrow....;)

And Vick was punished by the league, and served jailtime, because of his actions, which were proven in a court of law.

Ben wasn't even charged, IIRC.

That's quite a big difference.

Like I said, if you start policing the league in this fashion, there's gonna be a LOT of players in trouble. Placing yourself in dumb situations is not a basis for punishment from the league.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

If this was your sister, would you say "nothing happened" ?

Something happened. It was wrong. If I were Ben, I'd take the suspension and hope the girl's dad doesn't own a gun.

i can't imagine my brother and his co-workers (PA troopers) are happy to see their company mentioned in this mess either.:mad:
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Like I said, if you start policing the league in this fashion, there's gonna be a LOT of players in trouble. Placing yourself in dumb situations is not a basis for punishment from the league.

these guys get out of trouble that would land others in jail. are we now going to say kobe didn't do anything illegal either?

this is big stupids 2nd public issue within a year. i'm from "where there is smoke, there's fire" school.

i do not cheer for the bengals. again, this makes me uncomfortable to have to even consider hoping he plays well and helps the team i follow win.

has OJ found the killer yet?;) i know he can't get out to search on his own like he was in florida, but he still has friends on the outside, right?:cool:
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

these guys get out of trouble that would land others in jail. are we now going to say kobe didn't do anything illegal either?

this is big stupids 2nd public issue within a year. i'm from "where there is smoke, there's fire" school.

i do not cheer for the bengals. again, this makes me uncomfortable to have to even consider hoping he plays well and helps the team i follow win.

has OJ found the killer yet?;) i know he can't get out to search on his own like he was in florida, but he still has friends on the outside, right?:cool:

I'm not a big fan of Ben, either, don't get me wrong. But if you take this step, that opens up "punishable situations" to a whole new level, one that I think should NOT be done.

If you really want to go that route, then ban all nightclub visits. Or instill rules that must be followed when visiting a nightclub. Or ban alcohol use in the league, like drugs. See where I'm going with this?
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I'm not a big fan of Ben, either, don't get me wrong. But if you take this step, that opens up "punishable situations" to a whole new level, one that I think should NOT be done.

If you really want to go that route, then ban all nightclub visits. Or instill rules that must be followed when visiting a nightclub. Or ban alcohol use in the league, like drugs. See where I'm going with this?

you are using an extreme to migitate horrible behavior from silly judgement.

millions of people go out every night and don't force themselves sexually upon others. millions even use drugs and don't force themselvles sexually upon others.

there are already rules that fit this. DON'T RAPE. (men on women. men on men. women on men. women on women. men on horses)
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

you are using an extreme to migitate horrible behavior from silly judgement.

millions of people go out every night and don't force themselves sexually upon others. millions even use drugs and don't force themselvles sexually upon others.

there are already rules that fit this. DON'T RAPE. (men on women. men on men. women on men. women on women. men on horses)

As are you and TBA with the OJ, Vick, and Pacman incidents. :p

And as far as this case, nothing illegal happened.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

As are you and TBA with the OJ, Vick, and Pacman incidents. :p

And as far as this case, nothing illegal happened.

fair enough...

but it is very hard to get a charge of rape going, especially when you take into account the alcohol and underage status... as well as the backup big stupid has to tell police "nothing happened". why would this girl want to go through this?

and OJ was found innocent by a jury of his peers. he didn't do anything illegal to the blonde woman and her friend either :eek: (i'd hate to think he's doing all that hard time in NV now just for trying to steal his own stuff back:p )

[i'm agreeing with tba on this?!??! i had no idea. strange...:o ]
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

The commish has a lot of leeway using the personal conduct policy. You don't have to be convicted (or even charged with) anything for Goodell to drop the hammer on you.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I'm going to have to agree with Brent. He wasn't found guilty , therefore the league really shouldn't step in and punish him. The Steelers on the other hand should feel free to do whatever they see fit as he is representing their club.
Probably the best idea here. League supports the Rooney's sitting Ben down and telling him to shape up or they're going to sit somewhere in the bowls of Heinz field.
I have a nice mat from Office Space you can borrow....;)

And Vick was punished by the league, and served jailtime, because of his actions, which were proven in a court of law.

Ben wasn't even charged, IIRC.

That's quite a big difference.

Like I said, if you start policing the league in this fashion, there's gonna be a LOT of players in trouble. Placing yourself in dumb situations is not a basis for punishment from the league.
True, but Women's rights groups do draw a lot of water when it comes to PR issues. And it doesn't get much bigger with them than somebody getting away with Rape. Now, the first time, yeah, might be able to say that she's a gold digger, but to be accused again of it, might be a pattern. Either way, some show of dissaproval should probably be done so that the league can save face.

Hell, how many games did the NHL give Avery for the Sloppy Seconds commit?? League image is important you know.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

fair enough...

but it is very hard to get a charge of rape going, especially when you take into account the alcohol and underage status... as well as the backup big stupid has to tell police "nothing happened". why would this girl want to go through this?

and OJ was found innocent by a jury of his peers. he didn't do anything illegal to the blonde woman and her friend either :eek: (i'd hate to think he's doing all that hard time in NV now just for trying to steal his own stuff back:p )

[i'm agreeing with tba on this?!??! i had no idea. strange...:o ]

What I'm seeing is in the first Ben incident, a moneygrubber. The second one seems to be (and time will tell, as even now, I am kinda undecided) spurned on by the DA.

From what we know, something happened. How far it went? Who knows? I doubt we'll ever know. But to punish someone on suspicion.....that's just downright dangerous.

Situations like this will always happen, sadly. Fame, fortune, etc will bring these situations about more often than not.

You can't totally prevent these situations, but if one wants to follow that road, then you do have to stop them at the source, which in this (these) cases, is alcohol/clubs. See: Plaxico, Pacman, Ben.

To prevent the league going to one extreme (punishing suspicion, etc) it must go the other (ban alcohol use, clubs, etc), because the players won't "live the clean life" all the time.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Like I said, if you start policing the league in this fashion, there's gonna be a LOT of players in trouble. Placing yourself in dumb situations is not a basis for punishment from the league.
I can see Goodell being OK with this, hoping that it will deter other players from putting themselves in this position.

Though, I agree that the Steelers will probably take care of this.

This is the second allegation, and though he's gotten off both times (no pun intended), he needs to realize that there are consequences for his actions.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I can see Goodell being OK with this, hoping that it will deter other players from putting themselves in this position.

Though, I agree that the Steelers will probably take care of this.

This is the second allegation, and though he's gotten off both times (no pun intended), he needs to realize that there are consequences for his actions.

And we'll see what happens when Cincy can't field a team for a game. :p

I only half-kid. Punish one, you have to punish them all.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

originally i thought the first one was just for money too... why not go to the courts? why wait a year?

after this.... you now go back and look at that.

i don't like being in that situation.

(nothing else to add. i'll trust the rooney's to do the right thing (like draft a QB))
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Brent, I'm not getting the concept of the NFL leaving Ben alone. They didn't leave Pacman alone so why should Ben get off? If you read the description of the 2nd incident, it completely wreaks of unacceptable behavior and suggests something illegal happened, provable or not. This isn't about banning going to clubs, this is about offering free shot after free shot to young women, having a bodyguard "guide" one of them alone to a secluded room, and preventing the woman's friends from checking up on her. Not to mention appearing to do anything you can to stop the woman from leaving even when she wanted to. Rape or not, he's a scumbag and the NFL should send a message that players better wise up because this case was precariously close to putting Ben in deep s**t. That's why you suspend him and why they don't need to go to the extreme of banning clubbing.
 
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