NESCAC '13-'14 season

[obserbear]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

My 11th game this season and the first where terrible officiating influenced the outcome
Elmira 3-2

 

[obserbear]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

Congratulations to the Cardinals on their 2-0 win. Real team effort with Aveson flashing an amazing glove

 

[SeymoreHockey]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

Congratulations to the Cardinals on their 2-0 win. Real team effort with Aveson flashing an amazing glove

Sooooo....then are the Cards the Tourney Champs? (Crickets chirping...)

(Boy...coverage of all things DIII in the East is really low key so far this year, except for you Oser!! thanks for your write ups!)

 

[HockeyEast33]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

My 11th game this season and the first where terrible officiating influenced the outcome
Elmira 3-2

Hmm.... 6 penalties on Amherst to 4 on Elmira. 1 power play goal each. Each team pretty much on their season average per game on penalties (Elmira one low). Saw Elmira play earlier this season and they don't seem to take many penalties and that is part of their approach to the game. Amherst took 4 checking penalties so I assume that is the complaint - what constitutes checking - but it is consistent with their penalties to date this season.

Amherst outshot Elmira 2-1 more or less. Looks more like goaltending was the difference.

 

[HockeyEast33]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

Tough non-conference day for the NESCAC - 0-5.

Amherst and Middlebury. Colby loses to U Mass Boston (ugh after two wins over Bowdoin). Holy Cross over Wesleyan (surprisingly close score wise). Williams drops one to Castleton. Castleton's first win over a NESCAC team according to their website. Williams seems to be establishing a trend - significantly outshooting opponents yet still playing close games...

 

[tfmffan]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

Hmm.... 6 penalties on Amherst to 4 on Elmira. 1 power play goal each. Each team pretty much on their season average per game on penalties (Elmira one low). Saw Elmira play earlier this season and they don't seem to take many penalties and that is part of their approach to the game. Amherst took 4 checking penalties so I assume that is the complaint - what constitutes checking - but it is consistent with their penalties to date this season.

Amherst outshot Elmira 2-1 more or less. Looks more like goaltending was the difference.

How does one take a checking penalty when you are carrying the puck? That would be one of the questionable calls against Amherst in the game today.

 

[PTS34]

Hmm.... 6 penalties on Amherst to 4 on Elmira. 1 power play goal each. Each team pretty much on their season average per game on penalties (Elmira one low). Saw Elmira play earlier this season and they don't seem to take many penalties and that is part of their approach to the game. Amherst took 4 checking penalties so I assume that is the complaint - what constitutes checking - but it is consistent with their penalties to date this season.

Amherst outshot Elmira 2-1 more or less. Looks more like goaltending was the difference.

Thanks for the incredible insight gleamed from reading the box score!

Though questionable penalties were certainly a factor, the main issue was a awful disallowed goal. Amherst scored off a rebound in the third. The net was dislodged while the puck was already in the back of the net.

Also just because a team scores on few shots does not necessarily mean the goaltending was poor. Amherst's defense blocked a lot of shots this weekend, thus the ones that got through were quality shots or scoring chances hence the low save percentage.

 

[CrossCheck]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

Thanks for the incredible insight gleamed from reading the box score!

Though questionable penalties were certainly a factor, the main issue was a awful disallowed goal. Amherst scored off a rebound in the third. The net was dislodged while the puck was already in the back of the net.

Also just because a team scores on few shots does not necessarily mean the goaltending was poor. Amherst's defense blocked a lot of shots this weekend, thus the ones that got through were quality shots or scoring chances hence the low save percentage.

Figuring out how a game went by reviewing shots on goal [esp. in college and below] is at best a shot in the dark. In my experience, the good folks 'watching' the game from the box have no clue from game to game or period to period what = a "shot on goal"...assuming they are actually watching. Raw shot data also does not factor in the difficulty of the shot...a 60 foot dump-in on goal counts the same as a breakaway save. That said....if the shots are consistently lopsided over time, you do start to get a picture of the situation.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Figuring out how a game went by reviewing shots on goal [esp. in college and below] is at best a shot in the dark. In my experience, the good folks 'watching' the game from the box have no clue from game to game or period to period what = a "shot on goal"...assuming they are actually watching. Raw shot data also does not factor in the difficulty of the shot...a 60 foot dump-in on goal counts the same as a breakaway save. That said....if the shots are consistently lopsided over time, you do start to get a picture of the situation.

True I did not see the game and the disallowed goal. And it is also true that statistics can be deceiving in many ways, especially on a single game basis. However, if you outshoot a team 29-15 (even with blocked shots because I'm sure that Elmira blocked at least a few), it is really hard to argue that you lost because of the officiating - much more likely you ran into a hot goaltender or didn't finish. I don't know many coaches who would blame a loss with those kind of stats for their team on the officiating (regardless of whether it was good or bad).

BTW - generally D3 college level shot counts are off or inaccurate because the scorekeeper has a home team bias - this was a neutral site for this game and it seems unlikely that the scorekeeper would have had any significant leaning towards Amherst or Elmira in recording shots.

 

[Plugger]

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True I did not see the game and the disallowed goal. And it is also true that statistics can be deceiving in many ways, especially on a single game basis. However, if you outshoot a team 29-15 (even with blocked shots because I'm sure that Elmira blocked at least a few), it is really hard to argue that you lost because of the officiating - much more likely you ran into a hot goaltender or didn't finish. I don't know many coaches who would blame a loss with those kind of stats for their team on the officiating (regardless of whether it was good or bad).

BTW - generally D3 college level shot counts are off or inaccurate because the scorekeeper has a home team bias - this was a neutral site for this game and it seems unlikely that the scorekeeper would have had any significant leaning towards Amherst or Elmira in recording shots.

Ok, enough of trying to justify your comments without even seeing the game. Obserbear is the most fair and detailed writer on the the Women's DIII threads. I am just going to wait for him to file his final report, as I am sure he was heading back to CT yesterday night, and he will give us a more detailed report. I think most would agree Obserbear is not only fair in his assessments, but all of his comments are accurate.

 

[Plugger]

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True I did not see the game and the disallowed goal. And it is also true that statistics can be deceiving in many ways, especially on a single game basis. However, if you outshoot a team 29-15 (even with blocked shots because I'm sure that Elmira blocked at least a few), it is really hard to argue that you lost because of the officiating - much more likely you ran into a hot goaltender or didn't finish. I don't know many coaches who would blame a loss with those kind of stats for their team on the officiating (regardless of whether it was good or bad).

BTW - generally D3 college level shot counts are off or inaccurate because the scorekeeper has a home team bias - this was a neutral site for this game and it seems unlikely that the scorekeeper would have had any significant leaning towards Amherst or Elmira in recording shots.

Ok, enough of trying to justify your comments without even seeing the game. Obserbear is the most fair and detailed writer on the the Women's DIII threads. I am just going to wait for him to file his final report, as I am sure he was heading back to CT yesterday night, and he will give us a more detailed report. I think most would agree Obserbear is not only fair in his assessments, but all of his comments are accurate.

 

[obserbear]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

Sorry to let the drive home and the work thing impede posting. I was at the far end of the arena when the goal dispute occurred. Hard to say from my vantage point if the net was dislodged prior to/or even if the puck was in. I did note the goal judge did not light the lamp (Kenyon does have goal judges). I stand by the comment about the officiating. I feel consistency is the best we can ever hope for and it seemed to me the level of tolerance for contact was all over the place for this game. What was not called in the first half of the game was the type of contact that resulted in the Elmira 5x3 opportunity. I understand the need to clamp down during a game when the level of violence is verging on chaos, but that was not what I was seeing as this game went on. Then can you explain to me (and the incredulous Midd fans seated in front of me) how you can be carrying the puck on your stick and be called for body checking (as Harris was toward the end of the 3rd)? The level of skill in women's DIII has made amazing strides in the past decade and the women who play with such passion and love of the sport deserve better than the same old same old. Officials should be unobtrusive facilitators of the action rather than having their actions become a subject for discussion and debate.
Amherst was flying early and had several opportunities. Salmon broke in at 9: of the 1st, held her edge off right wing, turned the D and rang one off the gloveside post. Elmira took advantage of their chances and cashed one in when Burrows fed ahead to Hogan who escaped a D behind the Amherst net and passed to Delainey on the doorstep; she beat Stuart inside the gloveside post. The Lord Jeffs got even on the powerplay early in the 2nd when off a feed from Herzog, Martin worked free in the left circle and ripped one off Elmira goalie Nelson's stickside and in shortside. The Soaring Eagles scored skating 5x3 with Delainey's drive tipped by Ryan from Amherst goalie Stuart's gloveside with the rebound to Lamoureux for the put back score. Amherst drew even early in the 3rd with Tank scoring off a scrum top of the crease, assist to Harris. The game winner came a minute or so later; Ryan got the puck to Wilgosh
at left point and her long drive was deftly tipped by Weston from the edge of the crease beating Stuart stickside, up and in off the crossbar.
I really enjoyed watching the Plattsburgh-Middlebury game for it's fast pace and flow. The Cardinals were on a mission from the outset and Aveson was amazing. At 8: of the 1st she made a nifty right pad save on a re-direct by (I think Sullivan) from in close. The Cardinals work every shift and it paid off with Vakos deep in the right corner getting the puck to VanGlahn; she advanced from right half boards on net, Midd goalie Marsh made the initial stop but Senese beat her with the put back as Marsh slid to the ice. One goal was enough, as I have notes on Aveson's awesome play on a Middlebury powerplay in the 2nd. Then at 17: Platt's Era rang one off the stickside post from the slot. The 3rd saw Senese score her second of the game, again pouncing on a rebound of a VanGlahn shot from the slot with the other assist to Era. My final note is on a jaw dropping glove save by Aveson at 15:21 of the 3rd ; the Panthers executed a nice 3x2 attack with a drop to Sullivan who ripped one from the high slot only to see in plucked from the air (note to up coming Cardinal opponents: respect the glove, go stickisde). Thanks to Coach Mandigo and Coach Houle for putting the Panther-Cardinal Classic together. It is just a great way to cap the Thanksgiving holiday!
One more weekend before the break, hope you can all get out for some games!

 

[Plugger]

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sorry to let the drive home and the work thing impede posting. I was at the far end of the arena when the goal dispute occurred. Hard to say from my vantage point if the net was dislodged prior to/or even if the puck was in. I did note the goal judge did not light the lamp (kenyon does have goal judges). I stand by the comment about the officiating. I feel consistency is the best we can ever hope for and it seemed to me the level of tolerance for contact was all over the place for this game. What was not called in the first half of the game was the type of contact that resulted in the elmira 5x3 opportunity. I understand the need to clamp down during a game when the level of violence is verging on chaos, but that was not what i was seeing as this game went on. Then can you explain to me (and the incredulous midd fans seated in front of me) how you can be carrying the puck on your stick and be called for body checking (as harris was toward the end of the 3rd)? The level of skill in women's diii has made amazing strides in the past decade and the women who play with such passion and love of the sport deserve better than the same old same old. Officials should be unobtrusive facilitators of the action rather than having their actions become a subject for discussion and debate.
Amherst was flying early and had several opportunities. Salmon broke in at 9: Of the 1st, held her edge off right wing, turned the d and rang one off the gloveside post. Elmira took advantage of their chances and cashed one in when burrows fed ahead to hogan who escaped a d behind the amherst net and passed to delainey on the doorstep; she beat stuart inside the gloveside post. The lord jeffs got even on the powerplay early in the 2nd when off a feed from herzog, martin worked free in the left circle and ripped one off elmira goalie nelson's stickside and in shortside. The soaring eagles scored skating 5x3 with delainey's drive tipped by ryan from amherst goalie stuart's gloveside with the rebound to lamoureux for the put back score. Amherst drew even early in the 3rd with tank scoring off a scrum top of the crease, assist to harris. The game winner came a minute or so later; ryan got the puck to wilgosh
at left point and her long drive was deftly tipped by weston from the edge of the crease beating stuart stickside, up and in off the crossbar.
I really enjoyed watching the plattsburgh-middlebury game for it's fast pace and flow. The cardinals were on a mission from the outset and aveson was amazing. At 8: Of the 1st she made a nifty right pad save on a re-direct by (i think sullivan) from in close. The cardinals work every shift and it paid off with vakos deep in the right corner getting the puck to vanglahn; she advanced from right half boards on net, midd goalie marsh made the initial stop but senese beat her with the put back as marsh slid to the ice. One goal was enough, as i have notes on aveson's awesome play on a middlebury powerplay in the 2nd. Then at 17: Platt's era rang one off the stickside post from the slot. The 3rd saw senese score her second of the game, again pouncing on a rebound of a vanglahn shot from the slot with the other assist to era. My final note is on a jaw dropping glove save by aveson at 15:21 of the 3rd ; the panthers executed a nice 3x2 attack with a drop to sullivan who ripped one from the high slot only to see in plucked from the air (note to up coming cardinal opponents: Respect the glove, go stickisde). Thanks to coach mandigo and coach houle for putting the panther-cardinal classic together. It is just a great way to cap the thanksgiving holiday!
One more weekend before the break, hope you can all get out for some games!

thanks bear - you never disappoint!! Clear and concise as always!!

 

[obserbear]

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1-1 after 2 at Dayton Arena

 

[CrossCheck]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

1-1 after 2 at Dayton Arena

Pulled it out against NEC...barely.

But I see a trend [predicted here in preseason when rankings came out]....they lost too much scoring and goaltending and didn't replace either...

 

[obserbear]

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Pulled it out against NEC...barely.

But I see a trend [predicted here in preseason when rankings came out]....they lost too much scoring and goaltending and didn't replace either...

I was at the Dayton in New London (actually the only Dayton left, as the new Bowdoin arena is Watson) watching Conn and Holy Cross. Conn managed to win in OT 2-1. I may be jaded have just witnessed the Panther-Cardinal games.

 

[CrossCheck]

Re: NESCAC '13-'14 season

I was at the Dayton in New London (actually the only Dayton left, as the new Bowdoin arena is Watson) watching Conn and Holy Cross. Conn managed to win in OT 2-1. I may be jaded have just witnessed the Panther-Cardinal games.

Saw that one too. Looked pretty sloppy.

Then again, HC and CC were never touted as the preseason team to beat in D3.

 

[prepdad]

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Trinity drubbed Nichols 9-1 last night, and it could have been more. Two goals each for Ostrom and Kleidon, one each for Robinson, Bravi, Colbert, Heron and Labe.

 

[Polar Bear Fan]

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Pulled it out against NEC...barely.

But I see a trend [predicted here in preseason when rankings came out]....they lost too much scoring and goaltending and didn't replace either...

Hey CrossCheck have you been to any of the Bowdoin Games? The goaltending has been solid. The first four games Bowdoin skated 12 players. The last two games they finally have a servicable roster. Both Goalies are settling in nicely getting some great experience! Will learn more aout the Polar Bears on Saturday!

 

[obserbear]

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Hey CrossCheck have you been to any of the Bowdoin Games? The goaltending has been solid. The first four games Bowdoin skated 12 players. The last two games they finally have a servicable roster. Both Goalies are settling in nicely getting some great experience! Will learn more aout the Polar Bears on Saturday!

Looking forward to catching the Polar Bear visit to Kreitzberg! Hopefully the weather will not be frightful in Northfield.