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Frozen Four 2023: Three Blue Bloods and and Upstart

Just say what you really mean: "We're a blue blood and as such we are entitled to win everything all the time and anything that could even the playing field is inherently unfair."

As a fan of a blue blood, my program can leverage the portal like anybody else while also having access to top recruits. Up to the coach to find right mix. Now, i don't love seeing 24/25 year olds playing college hockey but adapt or die. It's not like blue bloods aren't making it to FF. Three last year, three this year. Once you're there all bets are off. Michigan and Minnesota have found the right formula. It doesn't guarantee you will actually win the title.
 
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As a fan of a blue blood, my program can leverage the portal like anybody else while also having access to top recruits. Up to the coach to find right mix. Now, i don't love seeing 24/25 year olds playing college hockey but adapt or die. It's not like blue bloods aren't making it to FF. Three last year, three this year. Once you're there all bets are off. Michigan and Minnesota have found the right formula. It doesn't guarantee you will actually win the title.
Now, I don't love seeing blue bloods locking up all the 11-17 year olds (if people can exaggerate about 28 year olds, I can do the same on the other end) then turn around and say "You shouldn't play 28 year olds!!" There isn't a single team in my league that can recruit an 18 year old kid and start them as a freshman - that pool has been emptied. Now, I am not complaining, I like the way all this works. Blue bloods lock up the young studs, everyone else finds the late bloomers. What makes me chuckle is how this is interpreted as an unfair advantage. Cry me a river.
 
More advantages than any program, excepting perhaps Minnesota, yet no titles in 26 years and only that pair in the 90s in the last 60. Nobody does less with more than Michigan hockey. It's the program of poodle skirts and skinny Elvis.
 
Glad to see Michigan lose as they are always so cocky. Lots of talent and can’t win the big game still. Not a huge fan of quinnipiac and their 7 grad students either. I hate that’s allowed.

Not a fan of Michigan using the U16 camp as their personal recruiting pool either. Somehow they always seem to end up with 3x the U16 alumni as any other program in the country. It works both ways.
 
Nope, I saw it. I rewinded it and asked my mother, who never watches hockey, so is as unbiased as they come, if the puck crossed the line, and she said yes, clearly it did. I saw it several times and every time it was clear to me that it crossed the line. I even saw some white between the puck and the red line, only for split second, but I saw it.

We all saw white but because it was the straight on view with the puck bouncing it didn't mean it crossed the line. If the puck was flat on the ice that would be a different case.
 
The NCAA didn’t hang the banners of all the schools that have won championships like they usually do. They redid them for Boston last year. Wonder why they didn’t hang them this year. Did Amalie say no?
 
We all saw white but because it was the straight on view with the puck bouncing it didn't mean it crossed the line. If the puck was flat on the ice that would be a different case.

Well, I quit giving a sh1t once the Gophers got a few all the way into the back of the goal. But I know what I saw. Q fans, if they watched the game, are probably not super confident right now. The Gophers are capable of kind of disappearing and allow opponents to out play them, the first 30 minutes of their first round round game, the 2nd period of this last game, but when they get hot, they are hard to stop.
 
Considering Q just beat Ohio State and Michigan in back to back games I would say they are pretty confident they can win tomorrow--and they should be. Might not happen but they're not gonna be intimidated by another unbeatable Big Ten team.
 
We all saw white but because it was the straight on view with the puck bouncing it didn't mean it crossed the line. If the puck was flat on the ice that would be a different case.



In this frame the puck is not in the net. The puck is in the air and the bottom edge is clearly not over the goal line. Two frames later Commesso's glove covers the puck.
 
Considering Q just beat Ohio State and Michigan in back to back games I would say they are pretty confident they can win tomorrow--and they should be. Might not happen but they're not gonna be intimidated by another unbeatable Big Ten team.

Really? Like that's hard? UMn got weekend sweeps against both OSU and Michigan, winning 6 games vs the two teams in 8 games during the regular season. They outscored Michigan in Michigan by 3 goals in both games of their sweep against the Wolverines and out scored Ohio St 9 goals to 2 in their sweep of the Buckeyes the last weekend of the regular season.
 
Good god dude, you lost to Michigan at home again in the Big Ten title game and you swept them in Ann Arbor when they had a virus running through the team or something. You can be beat. Absolutely unbearable.
 
Good god dude, you lost to Michigan at home again in the Big Ten title game and you swept them in Ann Arbor when they had a virus running through the team or something. You can be beat. Absolutely unbearable.

That B1G Title game was for nothing. They won the B1G Conf Regular Season Title, by a record # of points. They locked up the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tourney. Michigan got embarrassed in the regular season finishing so far out from first, so the only thing they could do to salvage some pride was to win the Conf Tourney title, and their seeding wasn't locked in, they could drop down to a lower seed if they lost.

And the Gophers had players missing that weekend in Ann Arbor, too, including their Goalie. Not as many as Michigan, sure.

6-2 vs #4 BU.
4-1 vs #6 SCSU.
9-2 vs #42 Canisius.

3-4 vs #3/2 Michigan.

5-1 vs #16 Mich St.
5-2 vs #7 Ohio St.
4-0 vs #7 Ohio St.
3-2 vs #7 Penn St.
7-2 vs #7 Penn St.


8-1 in last 9 games, 46 goals scored vs 16 GA. 10-3 vs last 2 opponents. 19-5 vs last 3. 9-2 vs #7 OSU. 10-4 vs #7 PSU.

Seems to me that Minnesota is doing quite well vs very good competition.




Can Minnesota be beat? Yeah, DUH. They lost 9 games this season. Of course they can be beat. Could Q possibly be the best team in the nation? Sure, absolutely.

But can you name me a single men's college hockey team playing better against really good teams than Minnesota right now?


I listed the PWR rankings of UMn's last 9 opponents.


Here are the PWR rankings of Q's 9 opponents before losing to Colgate in their Conf Tourney Title game.

#60,
#31,
#32,
#54,
#48,
#43,
#51,
#54,
#54,
and then #26 Colgate.


None of that proves Q isn't the best team in the country. They outscored those 9 opponents by a large margin, winning all 9 games. And then, like Minnesota, followed up their 1 goal loss in their conf tourney title game with impressive wins vs 3 teams arguably better rated than UMn's 3, by a 14-3 scoring margin.




But supposedly Q is a veteran team full of older and more experienced players, so unlike Minnesota pointing to early season losses or close wins and claiming their young players hadn't quite figured things out yet, and now have, what is Q's excuse?

Before that 9 game win streak vs 9 bottom half ranked teams, they had back to back losses, a 4-0 drubbing by Cornell and a loss to Colgate, three ties and some close wins, with only a few of those games being vs really good teams. The one tie was vs a team ranked in the 50s, another was vs a Mass team ranked in the 30s, the other was vs a UND squad that didn't even come close to making the NCAA tourney. Another loss was a 4-0 drubbing by a Maine team ranked in the 30s(bottom half of the country). One goal wins vs Colgate, Brown, St Lawrence and Connecticut.

The only Top 15 team among those was Cornell, who beat them 4-0. Not every game pre-NCAA tourney was an unimpressive game for Q, they beat Harvard easily in 2 games, and got a 2-0 win over Cornell and a win over #20 Connecticut. But overall, prior to beating Merrimack handily, I was not very impressed with Q, just looking at the schedule and the results. AGAIN, that doesn't mean they aren't the best team, just means that they hadn't proven much prior to the tournament, except that even as an older and more experienced and mature team, they could still lose to basically anyone in the country. LIU is only ranked #59 in the country and Q only got one win in their 2 games vs LIU.
 
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If they have not used their 4th year of eligibility, why should a student pursuing a graduate degree not be allowed to play?

I think 6 of the 7 Qpac grad students are using their fifth/bonus year of eligibility from 2021. Quite the concentration for one school.
 
Back when Tampa was announced to host the Frozen Four for the very first time, quite a few people complained about it not being in the Northeast or Midwest. Then Tampa put on the event and things went very well. Then they did it again even better! Now, 19,000+ for the semifinals, one of the largest crowds ever for a Frozen Four! Way to go Tampa!
 
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Should be a good game, Q is the real deal or they wouldnt still be playing. They play their system pretty flawlessly and with great results the last few years. The Gophers will need to get pucks deep and get after it, won't be a lot of room coming up the ice through the neutral zone. Not that we haven't seen that style of play but maybe not at the level Q seems to play it.
 
The last time Minnesota faced an ECAC team for the title was 2014.

Maybe they'll have better luck against a true D1 team rather than a D3 playup. (smiles):):)

Gophers have lost in the championship game 4 times against ECAC teams. 1954 to RPI, 1971 to BU, 1989 to Harvard, and 2014 to Colgate. I am hoping they break that cycle this year. Not sure I can take another.
 
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