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Favorite US Military General?
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At one point before the war, Sherman was president of the institution that became LSU. Infrequently mentioned in Baton Rouge.
At one point before the war, Sherman was president of the institution that became LSU. Infrequently mentioned in Baton Rouge.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
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Increable, do you know when that was written? He could not have been more prophetic (although one assumes that 150 years ago it was much more problematic to see such things) had he a crystal ball.
Increable, do you know when that was written? He could not have been more prophetic (although one assumes that 150 years ago it was much more problematic to see such things) had he a crystal ball.
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A couple friends and I were at Vicksburg a couple of years ago and noticed that every two bit general including such worthless political generals as John Alexander McClernand had statues but none of Sherman who was Grant's second in command. When we asked the Park Ranger he said "they haven't decided if he should have a torch or a match in his hand yet"
A couple friends and I were at Vicksburg a couple of years ago and noticed that every two bit general including such worthless political generals as John Alexander McClernand had statues but none of Sherman who was Grant's second in command. When we asked the Park Ranger he said "they haven't decided if he should have a torch or a match in his hand yet"
Proud2baLaker
Master of Science
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I was going to mention him just for that
Gen. Anthony McAuliffe - a man of few words.
I was going to mention him just for that
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Unfortunately for your theory, the secession of the southern states was not recognized. The bottom line is that the US Military recognizes the heritage of both sides of the war. Some modern units trace their own lineage back to Confederate elements. Are they treasonous?
This should probably be your first clue that you're wrong.
Unfortunately for your theory, the secession of the southern states was not recognized. The bottom line is that the US Military recognizes the heritage of both sides of the war. Some modern units trace their own lineage back to Confederate elements. Are they treasonous?
OMG, I'm defending Priceless.
This should probably be your first clue that you're wrong.
Proud2baLaker
Master of Science
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I was watching a documentary about Sherman and they had a historian (from Georgia no less) who had studied Sherman quite extensively. He said he regularly meets folks down there who will blame Sherman for all the problems that have ever happened in the history of their family and that Sherman burned their house down during the war. He then said that nearly every time he asks them where the house was located, its always in a town that Sherman was never anywhere near. His name is a curse word...perhaps all the more reason to like him.
Lets just change this to the General Sherman is awesome thread.
I was watching a documentary about Sherman and they had a historian (from Georgia no less) who had studied Sherman quite extensively. He said he regularly meets folks down there who will blame Sherman for all the problems that have ever happened in the history of their family and that Sherman burned their house down during the war. He then said that nearly every time he asks them where the house was located, its always in a town that Sherman was never anywhere near. His name is a curse word...perhaps all the more reason to like him.
Lets just change this to the General Sherman is awesome thread.
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I found it in Wiki and they said it was a letter he sent to a secessionist friend. I infer from that it was before the war began. He really did nail it, didn't he? It's like a paragraph from a contemporary history book.
I found it in Wiki and they said it was a letter he sent to a secessionist friend. I infer from that it was before the war began. He really did nail it, didn't he? It's like a paragraph from a contemporary history book.
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Actually, it's the heart of the point. But I know it's more convenient to ignore facts.
Actually, it's the heart of the point. But I know it's more convenient to ignore facts.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
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Sherman was really prophetic about the Civil War. He was deemed a crackpot when he said the war would be long and brutal. However, they brought him back once they found out the truth. I'll give a mention to Grant because he didn't get bothered by things out of his sight. Also, I think Phil Sheridan was a great general as well. He basically terrorized the Shenandoah Valley and didn't allow Lee to get help. I loved the quote where he was at Lookout Mountain and toasted the charge. He was shot at and said, "That was ungenerous! I'll take your guns for that!"
Sherman was really prophetic about the Civil War. He was deemed a crackpot when he said the war would be long and brutal. However, they brought him back once they found out the truth. I'll give a mention to Grant because he didn't get bothered by things out of his sight. Also, I think Phil Sheridan was a great general as well. He basically terrorized the Shenandoah Valley and didn't allow Lee to get help. I loved the quote where he was at Lookout Mountain and toasted the charge. He was shot at and said, "That was ungenerous! I'll take your guns for that!"
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cavil,quibble, b.s. You want to include a couple of traitors to the list (one of whom was grossly overrated) knock yourself out. I'm not ignoring "facts" which you maintain are determinative, I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of them.
cavil,quibble, b.s. You want to include a couple of traitors to the list (one of whom was grossly overrated) knock yourself out. I'm not ignoring "facts" which you maintain are determinative, I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of them.
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Here I've assumed all along you can read. I said I was disagreeing with YOUR ASSESSMENT of those facts. You do understand there's a difference don't you? I think we've found a poster as pompous as Kepler and yours truly. Rather than basing your case on niggling legalisms, why not just state it? BTW, when Lee and Jackson got pay vouchers, what was written on them? USA? or CSA?
Here I've assumed all along you can read. I said I was disagreeing with YOUR ASSESSMENT of those facts. You do understand there's a difference don't you? I think we've found a poster as pompous as Kepler and yours truly. Rather than basing your case on niggling legalisms, why not just state it? BTW, when Lee and Jackson got pay vouchers, what was written on them? USA? or CSA?
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
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I vote for Grant because he was tenacious. He latched unto Lee and slowly steered him into a corner. He did not allow himself to get outmaneuvered by Lee and he didn't turn tail when he lost a engagement, he just slide around Lee and continued toward Richmond.
I vote for Grant because he was tenacious. He latched unto Lee and slowly steered him into a corner. He did not allow himself to get outmaneuvered by Lee and he didn't turn tail when he lost a engagement, he just slide around Lee and continued toward Richmond.
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It's not a matter of my assessment of the facts. It's a matter of historical record.
It's not a matter of my assessment of the facts. It's a matter of historical record.
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You evidently have no relationship with "context." Let me give you an example. Civil war historian E. B. Long once told me (he lived in my home town) that as of the outbreak of the Civil War there were something like a thousand black folks who owned slaves. Is that "proof" that later generations of African Americans are hypocrites? That slavery wasn't so bad after all? The context of which I speak is that their "masters" had died intestate and they inherited, including the slaves. The David Dukes of the world would use those facts to justify their racism and opposition to civil rights. Would they be right?
For Constitutional reasons the secession of the southern states wasn't "accepted." That doesn't, as you imply, mean it didn't happen. As I say, instead of arguing with me, why not advance a case (based on their achievements on the battle field) of why these two deserve to be on the list of great "American" generals? My view is Jackson "yes," Lee "no."
You evidently have no relationship with "context." Let me give you an example. Civil war historian E. B. Long once told me (he lived in my home town) that as of the outbreak of the Civil War there were something like a thousand black folks who owned slaves. Is that "proof" that later generations of African Americans are hypocrites? That slavery wasn't so bad after all? The context of which I speak is that their "masters" had died intestate and they inherited, including the slaves. The David Dukes of the world would use those facts to justify their racism and opposition to civil rights. Would they be right?
For Constitutional reasons the secession of the southern states wasn't "accepted." That doesn't, as you imply, mean it didn't happen. As I say, instead of arguing with me, why not advance a case (based on their achievements on the battle field) of why these two deserve to be on the list of great "American" generals? My view is Jackson "yes," Lee "no."
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You evidently have no relationship with "accuracy."
EDIT: What the hell are you rambling on about slavery for? Non sequitur.
You evidently have no relationship with "accuracy."
EDIT: What the hell are you rambling on about slavery for? Non sequitur.
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Both "accuracy" and "context" are important in these matters. You just want to argue because I called your childhood heroes "traitors." They weren't traitors in the sense of the Rosenburgs or Alger Hiss. But if, after the war, the North wanted to proceed with Nuremburg-style tribunals, Lee would surely have been hanged. I've suggested now a couple of times that you put down your club and just make your case. You haven't. Either because you can't or because you enjoy pranging me. Well, knock yourself out. And if you have no idea what I was talking about as to blacks owning slaves (again, context), then I've been wasting my time arguing with you.
Both "accuracy" and "context" are important in these matters. You just want to argue because I called your childhood heroes "traitors." They weren't traitors in the sense of the Rosenburgs or Alger Hiss. But if, after the war, the North wanted to proceed with Nuremburg-style tribunals, Lee would surely have been hanged. I've suggested now a couple of times that you put down your club and just make your case. You haven't. Either because you can't or because you enjoy pranging me. Well, knock yourself out. And if you have no idea what I was talking about as to blacks owning slaves (again, context), then I've been wasting my time arguing with you.
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