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Favorite US Military General?

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Old Pio said:
You just want to argue because I called your childhood heros "traitors."
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OK, we're done here. Nowhere have I called anyone mentioned anywhere in this thread "childhood heros [sic]." Since you're clearly only trying to win with cheapshots, there's nothing more to be said.

If you insist on keeping your head rammed up your fourth point of contact, far be it for me to stop you. You've just given me reason to agree with Kepler (about you), and that's plenty of reason for me to dislike you.
 
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Red Cloud said:
OK, we're done here. Nowhere have I called anyone mentioned anywhere in this thread "childhood heros [sic]." Since you're clearly only trying to win with cheapshots, there's nothing more to be said.

If you insist on keeping your head rammed up your fourth point of contact, far be it for me to stop you. You've just given me reason to agree with Kepler (about you), and that's plenty of reason for me to dislike you.
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Just so we're clear: I'm engaging in "cheap shots," and you're not. Got it. How dare I disagree with YOU? I'll struggle, knowing you have "plenty of reason to dislike" me.
 
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Old Pio said:
Just so we're clear: I'm engaging in "cheap shots," and you're not. Got it. How dare I disagree with YOU?
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Please point out where I've thrown cheap shots your way, just so I can get a full understanding of the relative thickness of your skin.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Please point out where I've thrown cheap shots your way, just so I can get a full understanding of the relative thickness of your skin.
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You said: "we're done here," evidently as accurate as your other pronouncements.
 
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Old Pio said:
You said: "we're done here," evidently as accurate as your other pronouncements.
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We are done talking about the subject that was at hand. The new subject at hand, apparently, is the definition of cheapshot, which you have accused me of partaking in and yet you have been unwilling to cite a single example even when the discussion is just one page long.

Is this all you have, sir? Trying to parse words? Disappointing. But from what I've seen that seems to be your hallmark.
 
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Red Cloud said:
We are done talking about the subject that was at hand. The new subject at hand, apparently, is the definition of cheapshot, which you have accused me of partaking in and yet you have been unwilling to cite a single example even when the discussion is just one page long.

Is this all you have, sir? Trying to parse words? Disappointing. But from what I've seen that seems to be your hallmark.
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Hebephrenic
 
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Sherman was great. don't forget Eisenhower, Pershing and Marshall.

my personal favorite was General George Armstrong Custer (how's that for Politically incorrect)

here's why - he loved what he did. no talk of honor, duty, service, etc - he just flat out loved being outside, on a horse, killing people. absolutely no fear. and died laughing and smiling as he, his troops and most of his family died around him.

not our best, brightest, most moral, honorable - but he sure did enjoy his job!
 
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huskyfan said:
Sherman was great. don't forget Eisenhower, Pershing and Marshall.

my personal favorite was General George Armstrong Custer (how's that for Politically incorrect)

here's why - he loved what he did. no talk of honor, duty, service, etc - he just flat out loved being outside, on a horse, killing people. absolutely no fear. and died laughing and smiling as he, his troops and most of his family died around him.

not our best, brightest, most moral, honorable - but he sure did enjoy his job!
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Custer also led a famous (or should be) cavalry attack against Confederate JEB Stuart on Day 3 of Gettysburg. The original plan was for the infantry to attack from the front (Pickett's Charge) and for Stuart to lead 8000 Confederate cavalry around to the Union rear which would have changed the outcome considerably. Custer was the only thing standing between Stuart and his target and he was badly outnumbered. Nonetheless, he attacked and won the battle and the Confederate troops were obliterated before they even reached the Union lines.
 
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Priceless said:
Custer also led a famous (or should be) cavalry attack against Confederate JEB Stuart on Day 3 of Gettysburg. The original plan was for the infantry to attack from the front (Pickett's Charge) and for Stuart to lead 8000 Confederate cavalry around to the Union rear which would have changed the outcome considerably. Custer was the only thing standing between Stuart and his target and he was badly outnumbered. Nonetheless, he attacked and won the battle and the Confederate troops were obliterated before they even reached the Union lines.
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and had a good time doing it!
 
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Some of you may not like the guy, but Newt Gingrich & William Forstchen wrote a nice trilogy about what may have happened if Lee won @ Gettysburg.

Curt Lemay or George Patton. They were generals you needed when the bullets were flying and bombs were dropping. But you then need to lock them in a closet when there is peace.
 
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joecct said:
Some of you may not like the guy, but Newt Gingrich & William Forstchen wrote a nice trilogy about what may have happened if Lee won @ Gettysburg.

Curt Lemay or George Patton. They were generals you needed when the bullets were flying and bombs were dropping. But you then need to lock them in a closet when there is peace.
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Exactly. Other countries call these guys Field Marshalls, and for that reason, we know exactly what they're all about. Eisenhower brought certain skills to the table (mostly tolerating Montgomery), but he probably wouldn't have been a great field commander. MacArthur seemed to be able to do both. Remember, he went against all the "best military advice" and master minded the landings at Inchon--thought to be impossible. Plus he was shogun of Japan who successfully helped them transition from militarism to democracy.

Remember in "Patton" where George C. Scott admits he's a prima donna and he wishes Montgomery would just admit it, too? We need both kinds of generals. However, the skills and mindset required to be a brilliant field commander frequently don't reveal themselves in staff jobs. Nobody had ever heard of Rommel 'til he sliced through the French like a hot knife through butter. Oh, Rommel, yeah.

Like that idiot CO in "Heartbreak Ridge," telling active duty MOH winner Tom Highway that they should put him in a glass case with a sign saying "break glass in time of war." Way to go, moron, you've just described the mission of the USMC. Now please go back to supply, where you belong.
 
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bronconick said:
I'll throw a vote toward Winfield Scott. In every conflict between the War of 1812 and the Civil War, occupied Mexico and devised the "Anaconda" strategy that the North eventually used to defeat the South even as his replacements tried to ignore it and bork it up for a couple years first.
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Even though dubbie asked for Civil War and beyond, I have to give Old Fuss and Feathers the nod too. He pretty much entirely shaped the entire prewar US Army in everything from drill to operations - every general officer and most field officers on both sides owed their fundamental military knowledge to Scott.

Besides, he did serve in the Civil War as a Union general, even though his record there was... not impressive. :o


Old Pio: See also Grant, Ulysses S. (Yes, he was president postwar due to his great fame, but prewar he was a drunk and a nobody since having gone through West Point.)
 
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Beer Pong Horn said:
Even though dubbie asked for Civil War and beyond, I have to give Old Fuss and Feathers the nod too. He pretty much entirely shaped the entire prewar US Army in everything from drill to operations - every general officer and most field officers on both sides owed their fundamental military knowledge to Scott.

Besides, he did serve in the Civil War as a Union general, even though his record there was... not impressive. :o


Old Pio: See also Grant, Ulysses S. (Yes, he was president postwar due to his great fame, but prewar he was a drunk and a nobody since having gone through West Point.)
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Yes, but despite his faults he managed to turn Lee into his houseboy. Again, I recommend J.F.C. Fuller's "Grant and Lee." Some of the Lee hagiography melts away. Grant apparantly wasn't much good at anything except commanding an army in the field. But at the time, that was a skill in great demand.

What was it they called General McClellan? The Virginia Creeper? Grant did no creeping.
 
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Old Pio said:
Yes, but despite his faults he managed to turn Lee into his houseboy. Again, I recommend J.F.C. Fuller's "Grant and Lee." Some of the Lee hagiography melts away. Grant apparantly wasn't much good at anything except commanding an army in the field. But at the time, that was a skill in great demand.

What was it they called General McClellan? The Virginia Creeper? Grant did no creeping.
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Lee would have done incredibly well if he was fighting Napoleon.
 
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For me, It's The General Lee, my favorite color is orange and I like the sound of its horn.
 
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