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Elections 2012:What unites us is greater than what divides us

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FlagDUDE08 said:
Someone completely forgot that the country sank back into the depression in 1937.
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Someone completely forgot that the Fed cut the money supply in 1935-36, and the Republicans forced federal spending to be slashed, which caused to 13 month mini-Depression in 1937-38. Federal spending increased, the Fed loosened restrictions on money and hey, what do you know...

huskyfan said:
stopped in to watch Priceless jump the shark.
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As long as I get to wear Fonzie's leather jacket.
 
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pirate said:
So, the report says the Government has wasted billions of dollars by mismanaging funding in the DOE? 74 pages to figure that out?

As for the 'article' on King. His firm got $100million loan guarantee, which was part of the project costs, it didn't quickly say what the total cost was but the bangor daily news quotes a project member as saying all payments on the loans were being made. Much is being made of King divesting his share near the timing of the report...maybe that would have worked in 1920 but nobody would think that because he sold his share the same week the report came out, he was assuming nobody, especially in Maine, would remember he was one of two partners in the deal.
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Here's a timeline of events for you:
February 28 - Olympia Snowe announced she will not seek reelection to the US Senate.
March 5 - Angus King declares that he will seek the seat. As part of his decision to run for the Senate, he divested himself of his part of the company.
March 20 - the US House holds incredibly partisan hearings to try to score political points. The title of the hearing was "The DOE's Disastrous Management of Loan Guarantee Programs" That sounds impartial. :rolleyes:

That site also tries to link Angus King, Yale University and the Wind Power project to the Mafia...I guess even the mob's gone to alternative energy, eh?

Angus King is going to win rather handily. I have accepted that the next Senator from Maine will not be Cynthia Dill. Go ahead and gnash your teeth that the next Senator from Maine will not be Charlie Summers, but it's not going to change things. Wally, you might want to make peace with that fact.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Show me a previous marketplace and psychological crisis that compared with 2008/2009...where nearly all assets, including American's net worths, cut in half.
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1979 - 1982. Inflation running at 15% per year halves the value of assets in three years. Post-1982 recovery was one of the most dynamic ever recorded.
 
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Priceless said:
. Go ahead and gnash your teeth that the next Senator from Maine will not be Charlie Summers, but it's not going to change things. Wally, you might want to make peace with that fact.
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I'm over it. Not a Summers fan after all that voter registration crap.
 
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So there's this refinery in Chicago that is doing their annual maintenance 4 months early, driving up gas prices here in MI about 30 cents a gallon over the last couple weeks during peak driving season, so as not to screw up their favorite son's re-election campaign in the fall when it would actually make more sense demand-wise to do the annual maintenance... which is just smart politics - but I'm wondering - why is it that one stinking refinery has so much control over our lives? Things are really going to suck when the bad guys take out some oil refineries.
 
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FreshFish said:
1979 - 1982. Inflation running at 15% per year halves the value of assets in three years. Post-1982 recovery was one of the most dynamic ever recorded.
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Interesting case. Not sure the psychological impact was as great. But that's why you get numbers...

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What's driving some of this is that wealth still grew from 79-82...

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Nope it doesn't appear that your hypothesis holds. The great depression it is.
 
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walrus said:
I can't help that more people don't listen to Dick Hill. He has no axe to grind, he crunches the numbers on a napkin and can show you why they don't work, yet they continue with the ruse Wind power is the way to go.For any Mainers that might be interested in hearing him talk about energy, every Saturday morning on 103.9 and 101.3 on your FM dial,from 8 to 10 am.

The one windmill in Maine that might give you real numbers is at UMPI, for some reason its always broken, being public property and on the same scale as the major wind projects throughout the state one might be able to see what the big guys actually generate. like I said it hasn't worked for quite some time, imagine that.

Now offshore wind power might be a go but in the mountains of Maine, not a chance.
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I've no dog in the wind energy fight, I was trying to say that anybody could point out now that it isn't economical...we've got to keep working on it if it will ever develop into a viable source. This and electric cars are places where i can see the government providing subsidy. We can't afford to be on the losing side of the gas powered car, oil, wind and electric cars...all we'll have the ability to make in this country is the Nestle's Dorito Crunch chocolate dipped chalupa.

Now, saying i agree the government should subsidize something isn't the same as saying i trust them to know how to do that without ****ing away all the money...the track record isn't good and it gets worse every day
 
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geezer said:
So there's this refinery in Chicago that is doing their annual maintenance 4 months early, driving up gas prices here in MI about 30 cents a gallon over the last couple weeks during peak driving season, so as not to screw up their favorite son's re-election campaign in the fall when it would actually make more sense demand-wise to do the annual maintenance... which is just smart politics - but I'm wondering - why is it that one stinking refinery has so much control over our lives? Things are really going to suck when the bad guys take out some oil refineries.
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You should have seen the price skyrocket here when there was a scare with the Philadelphia refinery. My location is right at the end of one of the pipelines, hence why this is one of the cheapest spots in the state for gas.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Wait, your interpretation of that graph is that the massive drop started in '41 and not a year earlier?
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Looking at that graph, it's obvious World War II began in 1938 and we were involved from the beginning. Guess my history book is wrong that the US didn't get into the war until December 8, 1941....


Meanwhile, on the campaign trail, prospective VP nominee Rob Portman suffered from hoof in mouth disease when talking about job legislation. Senator Portman thinks employers should be able to fire people because they're gay so that employers will feel more "comfortable." Guess it's time to put him on the shelf. Next potential nominee?
 
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Priceless said:
Meanwhile, on the campaign trail, prospective VP nominee Rob Portman suffered from hoof in mouth disease when talking about job legislation. Senator Portman thinks employers should be able to fire people because they're gay so that employers will feel more "comfortable." Guess it's time to put him on the shelf. Next potential nominee?
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Why would he be disqualified for that? Bob McDonnell isn't disqualified for the actual legislation that he's signing. I don't see the difference between the two.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I don't see a differentiation between what Paul and Jesus taught. They seem very compatable to me.
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I see a difference.

I might characterize Jesus as to how to live life...and Paul as trying to make sense out of the Bible. In other words, Paul was interpretation and Jesus was the source. Regarding prioritization not even close, its Dr J all the way.
 
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Priceless said:
Looking at that graph, it's obvious World War II began in 1938 and we were involved from the beginning. Guess my history book is wrong that the US didn't get into the war until December 8, 1941....
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what's obvious is that history lesson must have escaped through the hole in your head :D. go look up lend-lease and re-educate yo'self ;)
 
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pirate said:
...we've got to keep working on it if it will ever develop into a viable source.
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Putting crap out in the field is going to do nothing for the economy of windmills, that work has to be done in a lab. Maybe beta in the field but whats in Maine is hard some new earth shattering breakthrough technology.. The electrical grid doesn't turn up and down on a dime, you can't shut a coal fired plant down to accommodate a windy day. They plan on so much power and as consumers we demand it be there.
 
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mookie1995 said:
what's obvious is that history lesson must have escaped through the hole in your head :D. go look up lend-lease and re-educate yo'self ;)
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I'm well acquainted with the history of Lend-Lease (Suppose my neighbor's home catches fire, and I have a length of garden hose four or five hundred feet away. If he can take my garden hose and connect it up with his hydrant, I may help him to put out his fire. I don't say to him before that operation, "Neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15; you have to pay me $15 for it."... I don't want $15--I want my garden hose back after the fire is over.)

However, that graph shows unemployment dropping from 1932-36, then shooting up in 1937 and falling rather quickly again in 1938 - not World War II. Now, if you want to say unemployment dropped because we were gearing up for war, you can argue that but you'll have to convince the guy at Flagdude's site because he's convinced we were actually supporting Germany and Japan...I don't think those viewpoints are quite compatible. There were certainly elements within the United States that wanted us to support Germany but I really don't think our friends on the political right want to discuss that. :)
 
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