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Elections 2012:What unites us is greater than what divides us

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Windmilling. One of my favorite Soucherayisms.
 
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He fails to point out that the proposed windmills are in that hive of activity, Roxbury, ME (without looking it up, can anyone tell us where that is?) and the 22 windmills will also produce energy. Also, the project is being funded not by taxpayers but those snobs at Yale University. The federal government is guaranteeing $102M of that financing.

But other than that, he was spot on...
You have alot more faith in the Wind projects in Maine then I do. You should read or listen to Prof Dick Hill. The numbers don't make sense. Isn't King or wasn't King in Bed with First Wind also?

http://www.windtaskforce.org/profil...e-hopeful-angus-king-wind-project-cited-by-co
 
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From an opinion piece by a Stanford University Business School professor:

Picture this scenario in baseball: Pitcher Smith replaces a starting pitcher in the fourth inning, when his team is down by three runs. The team scores two runs in the next inning, almost tying the score. But in the sixth inning, Smith gives up five runs, putting his team hopelessly behind. After the loss, Smith tells reporters that he did not pitch well in the sixth inning because the team was behind before he entered the game in the fourth.

Claiming that the U.S. economy has slowed during the past couple of years because it was in poor shape when a new president took office in January 2009 makes no more sense than Smith's explanation of his disastrous sixth inning. Just as poor pitching by Smith doomed the home team, ineffective and counterproductive policies of the past three years have put us back on the brink of recession.

There can be no dispute that the economy was in recession in January 2009. That recession had started a little over a year before, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, and it was long and deep. Whereas the average postwar recession lasted 11 months, the 2007-09 recession lasted 18. But all recessions end, and the 2007-09 one ended in June 2009. What we are experiencing today is a new wave of slowdowns, not a continuation of past problems.[emphasis added]

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The economy achieved almost 4% growth in three consecutive quarters beginning in late 2009. By spring of 2010, there was reason to believe that we were on our way back.

Then something happened. Starting in July 2010, the economy slowed and we sank to rates that are below our 30-year average of 3.1% and are too low to propel a proper recovery. Worse, during the most recent five quarters, the growth rate has averaged a dismal 1.6%.

Like the pitcher who has a terrible inning after his team starts to make a comeback, our economy has taken a new turn downward that began in summer 2010

The recession started during Bush's Presidency, we had the beginnings of a recovery, and now we are going backward again.

Assigning "fault" and "blame" is a loser's game. Winners take responsibility for whatever situation they are in and try to improve it, and care little who "gets the credit."
 
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well, a lot of "believers" don't quite get the "immaculate conception" thing right either....it is not about Jesus' conception; it instead is a doctrine about Mary's conception....and it is "okay" that on a biological level Mary was conceived in the conventional way.

It is part of doctrine that every human being since Adam and Eve was/is born with "original sin"....except Mary (I guess it would not do to have the Mother of God be born with "original sin" and so she received an exemption). Her "immaculate" conception is her being conceived without the blight of original sin.

The idea of parthenogenisis in Mary producing a male offspring is a different theological doctrine entirely.

I thought the idea was that she was born without sin and maintained that status through her life, which included the birth of Jesus. Hence, any comment about her and God having sex, is as I described below. Of course, Bill Maher would applaud Priceless' comments. Always good to have a role model.
 
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The original sin is the fallen nature of man, as symbolized by Adam's disobedience in the garden. Sex has nothing to do with it, that's just the method of creating new humans. Mary is immaculate because she is without the ancestral human sinfulness; she is not fallen. In a sense, she is not human. Hence the blessing with giving birth to Jesus.

Didn't you guys ever go to Sunday school?

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Re: Elections 2012:What unites us is greater than what divides us

From an opinion piece by a Stanford University Business School professor:



The recession started during Bush's Presidency, we had the beginnings of a recovery, and now we are going backward again.

Assigning "fault" and "blame" is a loser's game. Winners take responsibility for whatever situation they are in and try to improve it, and care little who "gets the credit."

Couple of things.

Saying we were in a 'recession' at the begginning of 2009 is a huge understatement. A raft of major corporate pillars were headed for bankrupcy and with it faith in both the banking industry and the economy as a whole. There was absolute terror in the markets which were dropping 500 pts some days. That will in all probably be THE crisis of the 100 year span which we're in.

Unlike in 2009, today's world economy is not healthy and Europe has the potential of facing the same crisis the US just exited. If this wasn't the backdrop, I'd put money that the dow would have all time highs of 14k in its sights.

So just saying that we were in a recession and we haven't moved IMO is being quite disingenious.

Assigning blame is a loser's game...but it works both ways. Are we done pinning today's economy on Obama and his policies?
 
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You have alot more faith in the Wind projects in Maine then I do. You should read or listen to Prof Dick Hill. The numbers don't make sense. Isn't King or wasn't King in Bed with First Wind also?

http://www.windtaskforce.org/profil...e-hopeful-angus-king-wind-project-cited-by-co

So, the report says the Government has wasted billions of dollars by mismanaging funding in the DOE? 74 pages to figure that out?

As for the 'article' on King. His firm got $100million loan guarantee, which was part of the project costs, it didn't quickly say what the total cost was but the bangor daily news quotes a project member as saying all payments on the loans were being made. Much is being made of King divesting his share near the timing of the report...maybe that would have worked in 1920 but nobody would think that because he sold his share the same week the report came out, he was assuming nobody, especially in Maine, would remember he was one of two partners in the deal.

to me this demonstrates a bigger issue, companies, charities, state and local governments know the US government is a shoddy analyst backed up by poor bookkeepers fronting for a rich uncle with bottomless pockets. It is pretty much free money and hardly anyone knows where it goes and if it gets paid back. Whether it is people finagling to qualify for SBA loans, suppressing income to qualify for FHA loans or applying for a government guarantee on a loan when Yale University is your partner, they all know that nobody will catch it because nobody cares...it isn't their money. Their paycheck isn't hurt if the government gives out billions, in fact, it is job security.

If you were running a restaurant, you'd know exactly what your liquor cost was, exactly what you could afford in inventory, exactly what you sold last night and whether that 'made sense' based on traffic through the door and empties. You would periodically check the reduction in inventory more specifically to confirm there was no heavy pouring or skimming going on. Why? Because you care. Because it is your money and you'll go out of business if you don't manage your liquor costs. The government doesn't care about any of those things...it isn't their money and they'll never go out of business...issues just beget new departments, which is good for the federal labor unions. Instead of leaning on shovels, they lean on computers. Justify more regulations by poorly writing, testing and enforcing the original ones.



edit: from article, right margin, Maine PIRG: Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?"

Did the task force suggest that one wind farm would replace all dependence on foreign oil? If it did, who would believe that? I don't know if wind is the way to reduce fossil fuel dependency but any moron would know that it is going to take decades of testing, expansion and scale building before we'd be able to generate cost effective alternative energy. So, Maine PIRG is supporting doing no research on wind farms because they won't switch our dependence from oil to electicity immediately? That seems like a logical hurdle to set for all research...if you can't cure cancer now, we're not paying for the research.

More people with intelligence but no idea how the world works.
 
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The original sin is the fallen nature of man, as symbolized by Adam's disobedience in the garden. Sex has nothing to do with it, that's just the method of creating new humans. Mary is immaculate because she is without the ancestral human sinfulness; she is not fallen. In a sense, she is not human. Hence the blessing with giving birth to Jesus.

Didn't you guys ever go to Sunday school?

But all that's only for Catholics right? We Lutherans were always wary of making Mary a demigod.
 
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But all that's only for Catholics right? We Lutherans were always wary of making Mary a demigod.
"When I refer to religion I mean the Christian religion, and when I refer to the Christian religion to I refer to the only true religion, Roman Catholicism." ;)

I sympathize with your wariness, but you sure defaced a lot of nice art to make the point... :(

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Assigning blame is a loser's game...but it works both ways. Are we done pinning today's economy on Obama and his policies?


It is reasonable to say that Obama's policies are responsible for the relative weakness of this recovery compared to prior recoveries. that is quite a different statement from what you suggested.
 
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"When I refer to religion I mean the Christian religion, and when I refer to the Christian religion to I refer to the only true religion, Roman Catholicism." ;)

I sympathize with your wariness, but you sure defaced a lot of nice art to make the point... :(

ding blasted "artists". Leaving their "art" cluttering the place all up.

ha ha! I just got it. "Defaced."
 
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In other news, Obvious Christianist Nonsense is Obvious.

So, funneling state money to religious schools was fine UNTIL THEY WERE MUSLIM!!!!

When the Court strikes this down I hope their unanimous decision, in its entirety, reads:

On the Constitutional merit of the statute we rule you gotta be fucking kidding.
 
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stopped in to watch Priceless jump the shark.

wind generators. I HATE those things. visual blight, noisy, kill birds. and for what? a trickle of electricity? ever see high power transmission lines leaving a wind farm?
 
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The original sin is the fallen nature of man, as symbolized by Adam's disobedience in the garden. Sex has nothing to do with it, that's just the method of creating new humans. Mary is immaculate because she is without the ancestral human sinfulness; she is not fallen. In a sense, she is not human. Hence the blessing with giving birth to Jesus.

Didn't you guys ever go to Sunday school?


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I'm not the one who said God got laid, presumably with Mary only, and the result was jesus. That was your sidekick.

Take up your issues with him. And no, I didn't go to Sunday school, I went 5 days a week.
 
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