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Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!
I guess all those empty seats at the venues prove how off the mark he was, questioning their preparedness. And by "racist remarks" are you referring to the reporting of his fundraiser in Israel? Not troubled at all, evidently, that the Palestinian source for that "reporting" is the their equivalent of Baghdad Bob. Like, for instance, his totally bogus claims about an Israeli "massacre" at Jenin.
He didn't use the phrase "Jewish culture," and didn't impute superiority to it. Although he wouldn't have been wrong if he had.
Great week for R-Money: insults the Brits and makes racist remarks at a fundraiser. He's showing that he's a true RepubliKKKan!
I guess all those empty seats at the venues prove how off the mark he was, questioning their preparedness. And by "racist remarks" are you referring to the reporting of his fundraiser in Israel? Not troubled at all, evidently, that the Palestinian source for that "reporting" is the their equivalent of Baghdad Bob. Like, for instance, his totally bogus claims about an Israeli "massacre" at Jenin.
He didn't use the phrase "Jewish culture," and didn't impute superiority to it. Although he wouldn't have been wrong if he had.
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Kepler
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He turned the Olympics into a net negative. He basically Swift Boated himself. Impressive. And he reinforced the impression that Republicans are confused, weak and desperate on national security and foreign policy.
Meanwhile Obama has been running positive ads that lay out the exact philosophical difference between him and the Republicans. So Obama won the week on both optics and substance.
I think monthly economic numbers come out Friday, and they're supposed to be flat, so in a normal world Romney would benefit from that, but I am starting to just wait for whatever the self-inflicted wound will be this week. That's the game one used to play with the Dems. I never thought we would ever see the day when it was the Republicans who were incompetent at campaigning; that used to be the one thing they were good at.
He turned the Olympics into a net negative. He basically Swift Boated himself. Impressive. And he reinforced the impression that Republicans are confused, weak and desperate on national security and foreign policy.
Meanwhile Obama has been running positive ads that lay out the exact philosophical difference between him and the Republicans. So Obama won the week on both optics and substance.
I think monthly economic numbers come out Friday, and they're supposed to be flat, so in a normal world Romney would benefit from that, but I am starting to just wait for whatever the self-inflicted wound will be this week. That's the game one used to play with the Dems. I never thought we would ever see the day when it was the Republicans who were incompetent at campaigning; that used to be the one thing they were good at.
bronconick
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Occam's razor. It's easier to explain away by stupidity and the desperate need for ratings and being first. CNN legal analysts read the first half dozen paragraphs of a 70 page court ruling and go with "Law struck down." ABC google searches shooters name, sees Tea Party connection, runs with it before anyone bothered to match ages. Even if you want to ascribe it to malice, it's some of the dumbest farking malice possible since it stands up to about .8 seconds worth of scrutiny.
A truly liberal media would be tearing Romney to pieces every time he blunders- "Why are you insulting our longest standing allies in Europe? When you say Israel's GDP is higher because of their superior culture, is that because Arabs are dirty brown people?" Instead, we have a horse race mentality where they're going to want it to be close for as long as possible, something they were even doing with the Republican primary simply because it garners better ratings.
Stupidity and need to be first fits a lot better than bias.
Occam's razor. It's easier to explain away by stupidity and the desperate need for ratings and being first. CNN legal analysts read the first half dozen paragraphs of a 70 page court ruling and go with "Law struck down." ABC google searches shooters name, sees Tea Party connection, runs with it before anyone bothered to match ages. Even if you want to ascribe it to malice, it's some of the dumbest farking malice possible since it stands up to about .8 seconds worth of scrutiny.
A truly liberal media would be tearing Romney to pieces every time he blunders- "Why are you insulting our longest standing allies in Europe? When you say Israel's GDP is higher because of their superior culture, is that because Arabs are dirty brown people?" Instead, we have a horse race mentality where they're going to want it to be close for as long as possible, something they were even doing with the Republican primary simply because it garners better ratings.
Stupidity and need to be first fits a lot better than bias.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Founders came here to seek freedom from religion. Any true constitutional conservative should embrace this.
However who cares. **** who you want.
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I would argue that it's not a freedom from religion, rather a freedom of religion. Stating that it's a freedom from religion would be to say that we make a concerted effort to banish it from our lives instead of a freedom of religion which allows us to choose what to believe - if anything at all. Quite frankly, when you look at the population of this nation as a whole, we can see that a freedom from religion is just not happening. As a man without religion, trust me when I say that I see its shaping in so many things we do as a country. While I don't fight it, knowing that I'm something like a meager 5-12% of the population, I certainly do see it with wide regularity. I have a friend who's very smart in most everything I see her do, but then when it comes to her religious beliefs, she's one of those who say that the world is about 6,000 years old, and that the oceanic fossils found in the Canadian Rockies is proof that God once flooded the Earth, not that tectonic plate movement pushed that ground from below sea-level to form the mountains. While her case is extreme, it's not nearly as rare as I would have thought just 10 years ago.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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Having said which, it's obvious that sincere conservatives should be helping destroy this last shameful bigotry rather than squeezing a few more votes out of it. Southern whites still haven't lived down how horribly wrong they were on race in the 50's and 60's, and fundies are going to carry the stigma about these times well into the future.
A nit: the Founders believed in religious freedom, but they were mostly born in the colonies. The separatists who initially colonized America were almost all intolerant religious zealots who wanted a place where they could impose their religion. Roger Williams was an anomaly, almost everybody else was an asshole.
Having said which, it's obvious that sincere conservatives should be helping destroy this last shameful bigotry rather than squeezing a few more votes out of it. Southern whites still haven't lived down how horribly wrong they were on race in the 50's and 60's, and fundies are going to carry the stigma about these times well into the future.
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unofan
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Good idea long term, probably bad for 2012. It's never bad to be on the side of expanded freedoms, and gay marriage is going to be a national right within 25 years.
I just don't think we're there yet because the demographic shift is still in process. Too many old homophobes who vote religiusly, not enough young people who care enough to vote.
Good idea long term, probably bad for 2012. It's never bad to be on the side of expanded freedoms, and gay marriage is going to be a national right within 25 years.
I just don't think we're there yet because the demographic shift is still in process. Too many old homophobes who vote religiusly, not enough young people who care enough to vote.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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Sounds like a gamble in trying to get the youth to vote in 2008ish numbers since they all had a taste of how utterly disappointing American politics are now.
Sounds like a gamble in trying to get the youth to vote in 2008ish numbers since they all had a taste of how utterly disappointing American politics are now.
duper
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unofan, I think you are probably right in a pragmatic way. I will say, however, that it makes me happy to see it becoming a plank in the platform. Forget Chick-Fil-A. Chick-Fil-A is full of sound and fury signifying nothing. I'm not sure exactly when this occurred, but a bakery in the Denver suburbs recently turned down an a gay couple who wanted to buy their wedding cake there. Right now, the shop owner has every right to say no. I hope that someday soon, he will no longer have the right to say no for that reason. I believe this is a civil rights issue. He will always have the right to financially support anti-gay marriage causes, and that's as it should be, just as it is with Chick-Fil-A, but I don't believe that he should be able to turn down a couple for being gay, any more than he could turn down a couple for being black, or (heaven forbid) of mixed race.
unofan, I think you are probably right in a pragmatic way. I will say, however, that it makes me happy to see it becoming a plank in the platform. Forget Chick-Fil-A. Chick-Fil-A is full of sound and fury signifying nothing. I'm not sure exactly when this occurred, but a bakery in the Denver suburbs recently turned down an a gay couple who wanted to buy their wedding cake there. Right now, the shop owner has every right to say no. I hope that someday soon, he will no longer have the right to say no for that reason. I believe this is a civil rights issue. He will always have the right to financially support anti-gay marriage causes, and that's as it should be, just as it is with Chick-Fil-A, but I don't believe that he should be able to turn down a couple for being gay, any more than he could turn down a couple for being black, or (heaven forbid) of mixed race.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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These concepts are more than just a little complimentary. But the stupidity usually is pretty predictable, coming as it does from only one direction. In Ross' case, what inspired him to check the Tea Party website? Instinct? Hunch? Bias? Did he check the ACLU website? Or the DNC's? Or Code Pink's? Or Occupy's? Or African-Americans for Barack Obama's? Or SEIU's? Doubtful.
In any case, as I've posted previously, it was absolutely unforgiveable and profoundly unprofessional to put a totally innocent man's name out there, period. You need to check these things out. But the instinct to involve the Tea Party in this dreadful business was overwhelming, just as it was after the Tucson shootings or the unsuccessful bomb plot in Brooklyn. The fact that this stuff keeps happening is NOT a coincidence. At least this time, nobody blamed Sarah Palin, although it's not too late.
Nothing Romney said in UK or Israel was a "blunder" or a "gaffe." Yet that manifestly untrue narrative has driven the coverage throughout the trip. Maybe the MSM ought to just start publishing the daily Obama talking points, it would take out the middle man. Only a Palestinian mouthpiece, with a well deserved reputation as a liar, has put the words "Jewish culture," in Romney's mouth. In fact, just about everything in Israel IS better, because of their adherance to Judeo-Christian principles and democracy among other things. No honor killings, stonings, beheadings, terror bombings, arranged marriages or genital mutilation or advocacy thereof. And "dirty, brown" is evidently something in your mind, no evidence it's in Mitt's.
These concepts are more than just a little complimentary. But the stupidity usually is pretty predictable, coming as it does from only one direction. In Ross' case, what inspired him to check the Tea Party website? Instinct? Hunch? Bias? Did he check the ACLU website? Or the DNC's? Or Code Pink's? Or Occupy's? Or African-Americans for Barack Obama's? Or SEIU's? Doubtful.
In any case, as I've posted previously, it was absolutely unforgiveable and profoundly unprofessional to put a totally innocent man's name out there, period. You need to check these things out. But the instinct to involve the Tea Party in this dreadful business was overwhelming, just as it was after the Tucson shootings or the unsuccessful bomb plot in Brooklyn. The fact that this stuff keeps happening is NOT a coincidence. At least this time, nobody blamed Sarah Palin, although it's not too late.
Nothing Romney said in UK or Israel was a "blunder" or a "gaffe." Yet that manifestly untrue narrative has driven the coverage throughout the trip. Maybe the MSM ought to just start publishing the daily Obama talking points, it would take out the middle man. Only a Palestinian mouthpiece, with a well deserved reputation as a liar, has put the words "Jewish culture," in Romney's mouth. In fact, just about everything in Israel IS better, because of their adherance to Judeo-Christian principles and democracy among other things. No honor killings, stonings, beheadings, terror bombings, arranged marriages or genital mutilation or advocacy thereof. And "dirty, brown" is evidently something in your mind, no evidence it's in Mitt's.
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I say make Nanny Bloomberg emperor of the United States. The rich dwarf already "knows" how much salt should be in our diets and how many ounces of soft drink are appropriate and what new mothers ought to feed their babies. And he'd prepared to enforce his preferences with the authority of law. So as emperor, he could just do away with freedom of speech, thought and religion. And since differences of opinion would be matters of "law," who could argue? "Everyone who disagrees with me is a criminal." Yeah, that's the ticket.
I say make Nanny Bloomberg emperor of the United States. The rich dwarf already "knows" how much salt should be in our diets and how many ounces of soft drink are appropriate and what new mothers ought to feed their babies. And he'd prepared to enforce his preferences with the authority of law. So as emperor, he could just do away with freedom of speech, thought and religion. And since differences of opinion would be matters of "law," who could argue? "Everyone who disagrees with me is a criminal." Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!
Yes, and the people who represented those racist southern whites in congress and state legislatures and governor's mansions were all Democrats. Or did you forget? What does Wonkette have to say on the subject?
Yes, and the people who represented those racist southern whites in congress and state legislatures and governor's mansions were all Democrats. Or did you forget? What does Wonkette have to say on the subject?
unofan
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I believe it's 22 states which prohibit discrimination in employment due to sexual orientation, and the EEOC has just recently said Title VII covers sexual orientation for employment purposes as well. I know Iowa extends that to public accommodations (ie, the scenario you described), not sure about the other 21 states.
I believe it's 22 states which prohibit discrimination in employment due to sexual orientation, and the EEOC has just recently said Title VII covers sexual orientation for employment purposes as well. I know Iowa extends that to public accommodations (ie, the scenario you described), not sure about the other 21 states.
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Sooner or later employment "discrimination" based on sexual orientation will be illegal in all 50 states. I don't have a problem with it, and neither, apparantly does Chick-fil-a against whom nobody has brought the charge that they're discriminating in hiring. But there is still that pesky question of religious belief. Can you imagaine some mosque somewhere being forced to hire a Jew as receptionist?
One unintended consequence will be that just about every flaming Nancy boy or diesel dyke who doesn't get a job will hire a lawyer (certainly nobody who posts here
) to sue the company. Criminal records, total incompetence, enough piercings to set off a magnetometer in the next time zone, full facial tattoos, a drug habit that would make Richard Prior proud ("I could have bought Peru") will be insufficient to ward off the inevitable claims of "discrimination". Oh sure, straight people are denied employment every single day for all the reasons I just mentioned. But straights aren't "protected."
We're in a period of transition on these "gay" issues. Why even His Panderness had repeatedly expressed his oppositiion to gay marriage until just recently, when dismal polling data evidently changed his mind. But as the gay bully boys (and girls) roam the countryside, looking to club any who disagree with them into submission, please remember not every one who does disagree with their agenda in whole or in part is a bigot. Or a homophobe (God, I hate that word).
So in our zeal to provide full legal protection for our gay brothers and sisters, let's not lose sight of the fact that they're not the only ones with rights, or the expectation that those rights will be protected and respected.
Sooner or later employment "discrimination" based on sexual orientation will be illegal in all 50 states. I don't have a problem with it, and neither, apparantly does Chick-fil-a against whom nobody has brought the charge that they're discriminating in hiring. But there is still that pesky question of religious belief. Can you imagaine some mosque somewhere being forced to hire a Jew as receptionist?
One unintended consequence will be that just about every flaming Nancy boy or diesel dyke who doesn't get a job will hire a lawyer (certainly nobody who posts here
) to sue the company. Criminal records, total incompetence, enough piercings to set off a magnetometer in the next time zone, full facial tattoos, a drug habit that would make Richard Prior proud ("I could have bought Peru") will be insufficient to ward off the inevitable claims of "discrimination". Oh sure, straight people are denied employment every single day for all the reasons I just mentioned. But straights aren't "protected." We're in a period of transition on these "gay" issues. Why even His Panderness had repeatedly expressed his oppositiion to gay marriage until just recently, when dismal polling data evidently changed his mind. But as the gay bully boys (and girls) roam the countryside, looking to club any who disagree with them into submission, please remember not every one who does disagree with their agenda in whole or in part is a bigot. Or a homophobe (God, I hate that word).
So in our zeal to provide full legal protection for our gay brothers and sisters, let's not lose sight of the fact that they're not the only ones with rights, or the expectation that those rights will be protected and respected.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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If you don't want discrimination based on sexual orientation, you can't discriminate based on philosophy. If you want the Jews to have the right to march down the street in Skokie, you better be prepared to let the Nazis march down that same street (as distasteful as it may be).
If you don't want discrimination based on sexual orientation, you can't discriminate based on philosophy. If you want the Jews to have the right to march down the street in Skokie, you better be prepared to let the Nazis march down that same street (as distasteful as it may be).
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