Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!

[unofan]

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You're so anxious to share gay orthodoxy boilerplate with us you've evidently overlooked the fact that (as far as I can tell) nobody has suggested Chick-fil-a "discriminates" against anyone, either in employment or as customers. The CEO has merely expressed his personal opinion. And because of that, the gay bully boys are out talking about pink triangles.

The only one who's brought chick-fil-a into this is you. I haven't mentioned it.

BTW. Who gets to define "bona fide religious positions?" You?

The numerous legislatures could if they wanted to. As with most things, most have purposely left the definition blank so they could force the courts to do so instead. And then they get to rail against activist judges who are left to do the legislature's job for them.

Generally speaking. Priests, rabbis, nuns, deacons, imams, tribal elders, witch doctors, etc. are bona fide religious positions. Janitors, secretaries, activities directors are not.

Who gets to define who's a "bigot' and who's not. You? Pass again.

Merriam's Collegiate Dictionary should suffice (I'd use the OED, but i don't have it handy).
bigot [bi-gǝt] -- n (1661) ; a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

 

[Old Pio]

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The only one who's brought chick-fil-a into this is you. I haven't mentioned it.


The numerous legislatures could if they wanted to. As with most things, most have purposely left the definition blank so they could force the courts to do so instead. And then they get to rail against activist judges who are left to do the legislature's job for them.



Generally speaking. Priests, rabbis, nuns, deacons, imams, tribal elders, witch doctors, etc. are bona fide religious positions. Janitors, secretaries, activities directors are not.


Merriam's Collegiate Dictionary should suffice (I'd use the OED, but i don't have it handy).
bigot [bi-gǝt] -- n (1661) ; a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

Let me guess: You get to define "intolerantly." Right? Pass again. Whether you were referring to the Chick-fil-a imbroglio or not is irrelevant. But you did quote from a post of mine on that subject.

 

[Old Pio]

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I didn't leave out anything Mrs. Bloviate. Even if I were an expert at decorating and pairing wine with food I wouldn't walk into a dinner party in which I didn't even know the host and bellow about how I could have done it better. Regardless I don't think anyone has suggested Obama should run on this (and he won't) so your latest bed wetting was unnecessary. Lighten up, Francis or at least promise not to run out of whatever medication prevents you from completely imploding. I'd really fukking hate to be around you when milk has been spilt.

Oh yeah, His Failureness is running on his record. There are privacy laws that protect revealing what meds I'm taking. Just like they keep us from knowing JJ jr's got the DT's and is spending his days in a straight jacket and his nights barking at the moon.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Just like they keep us from knowing JJ jr's got the DT's and is spending his days in a straight jacket and his nights barking at the moon.

Takes one to know one.

 

[Old Pio]

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Takes one to know one.

I'll drink to that.

 

[Craig P.]

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I'd like to apologize as a resident of TX for our residents inflicting Ted Cruz on the Senate.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'd like to apologize as a resident of TX for our residents inflicting Ted Cruz on the Senate.

While you're at it how about apologizing for being such a suck up?

 

[unofan]

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Let me guess: You get to define "intolerantly." Right? Pass again. Whether you were referring to the Chick-fil-a imbroglio or not is irrelevant. But you did quote from a post of mine on that subject.

What, is the dictionary too hard for your fragile little mind to use?

intolerant -- adj. (ca. 1735) ; 1) unable or unwilling to endure. 2) a) unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression esp. in religious matters; b) unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights. -- intolerantly adv.

 

[Old Pio]

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What, is the dictionary too hard for your fragile little mind to use?

intolerant -- adj. (ca. 1735) ; 1) unable or unwilling to endure. 2) a) unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression esp. in religious matters; b) unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights. -- intolerantly adv.

You know, I think my postion on letting illegals join the bar may be "evolving." And we can all encourage them to move to Nebraska. Anyway, you figure that pathetic, didactic post was so wonderful you needed to repeat it? I'll try to make the point again, so the kids smoking weed in the back of the room can grasp it, these are subjective concepts you're throwing out here. And I pity the fool who has to rely on your understanding of freedom of speech and religion in order to have an opinion that differs from yours.

I don't recall, is Chick-fil-a in the Cross Roads or the West Roads? Just curious.

 

[FreshFish]

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Honestly, some other people are just more articulate and intelligent than I am....

Team Obama can also have no illusion about the purpose of its campaign strategy. It doesn't kid itself that its attacks on Mitt Romney and Bain Capital will cause voters to flock to Obama. If anything, Mr. Obama knows his tactics cost him donor and voter enthusiasm on his own side.

The goal is to drive up Romney negatives. The payoff the campaign hopes for is that voters who would never vote for Mr. Obama will prefer to stay home rather than vote for that rich so-and-so Romney. The White House strategy is a "shrink-the-electorate" strategy. Team Obama will play the Mormon card at some point too. Count on it.

 

[FreshFish]

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bigot [bi-gǝt] -- n (1661) ; a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

so by this definition, anyone who routinely says "knuckledragger" to describe someone with whom he disagrees about politics, for example, or who uses a homosexual slur to describe TEA Party members, would be a bigot, no?

 

[Rover]

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so by this definition, anyone who routinely says "knuckledragger" to describe someone with whom he disagrees about politics, for example, or who uses a homosexual slur to describe TEA Party members, would be a bigot, no?

Oh boo hoo hoo. Do you need a tissue now?

Regarding Obama driving negatives of Romney, this is the funniest "knuckledragger" argument yet. No S # ! t he's going to run campaign ads pointing out Romney being a pampered sissy who's taken both sides of every issue within the last 5 years. Why wouldn't he? Unlike Mittens he's also running positive ads too. Problem with you righties is you want every Dem candidate to be in the Dukakis/Kerry mold, as in not willing to fight back. As I've told you dinosaurs before, we're playing to win and if you can't take the heat get lost. Its only going to get worse for Mittens, and no there won't be any attacks on Mormonism. There's plenty more legitimate issues to roast Romney on!

EDIT: Such as this one. From the Brookings Institute. Turns out Mittens tax plan cuts taxes for the top 5% while raising them for the rest of us! Swell, Mittwit but didn't we try upper income tax breaks in the early 2000's? How did that work out again?

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2012/08/01-tax-reform-brown-gale-looney

 

[Kepler]

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Religious beliefs are fluid over long periods but at any given time they appear to believers to be eternal. You don't have to oppose gays to be a Christian any more than you used to have to oppose Jews to be a Christian. Like everything else, religions have fads. Christianity is currently coming out of a homophobic fad. Post-homophobic Christianity will still be Christianity (in particular since Jesus never said a word about the subject). But none of that will change the heart of a believer at any given time. The only thing that can do that is exposure to people who defy their stereotypes: experience trumps theory.

The thing that makes it uncomfortable is there is a transition period when people raised with the old belief system feel their world is crumbling. The same happened after the prohibitions of slavery and segregation and during the southern and eastern European immigrations to the US, and during the women's movement. There's no evidence that the people raised with the old belief system ever adapt; they are just replaced by the next generation which sees the old view as repellent.

Having bigotries instilled at birth does not make somebody a bad person; it just means they like everybody else are in part a product of their age. The only way to handle transition periods is to do the right thing with the law and actively counter the old narratives in public, but in private let people just be people. The chicken man has his beliefs, burned into him by his upbringing, and he will never understand their consequences are so hateful. Look at the rest of the guy's life -- his company is exemplary, he treats his employees great, he pays for their tuition. Paradoxically you can even see his moral quality in him taking this stand in public even when it will hurt business. He's clearly a very good man who harbors this one very evil belief. Christians have an answer for that, too: hate the sin, love the sinner.

 

[joecct]

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Kepler

Why is it bigotry to believe that marriage should only be between opposite sexes??

 

[LynahFan]

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Kepler

Why is it bigotry to believe that marriage should only be between opposite sexes??

Because in doing so, you're saying that an entire class of people doesn't have the right to marry their lovers. It's not an inclusive point of view - it's an exclusive point of view, pure and simple.

 

[FreshFish]

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Regarding Obama driving negatives of Romney, .... No S # ! t he's going to run [negative] campaign ads [against] Romney.

Really inspiring campaign...."sure, maybe I have done a really bad job so far, but at least I'm not (shudder) him."

Not sure why you find that so exalting. Most of us people in the center merely say "a pox on both your houses."

 

[FreshFish]

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Why is it bigotry to believe that marriage should only be between opposite sexes??

In many cases, the argument probably does stem from some unconscious bigotry, though I would suggest not in all cases. Many people support civil unions for any two people above the age of consent to have spousal rights regarding inheritance, hospital visits, survivor's benefits, etc. and say "marriage" is strictly and only a religious ceremony. We've danced this dance before.

No point in trying to suggest anything new to someone who already knows everything, eh?

 

[Rover]

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Really inspiring campaign...."sure, maybe I have done a really bad job so far, but at least I'm not (shudder) him."

Not sure why you find that so exalting. Most of us people in the center merely say "a pox on both your houses."

Again with hearing violins in the air. What did Mittens think, he was going to go through the entire campaign without anybody saying anything mean about him? I guess if you grew up in luxury with servants, private schools, and the like you might feel that way. Unfortunately as Prez our enemies aren't going to be as kind to him as his hired help is.

BTW - You are so far away from the center you can't even catch a bus back to the center. Give it a rest already.

 

[Kepler]

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Because in doing so, you're saying that an entire class of people doesn't have the right to marry their lovers. It's not an inclusive point of view - it's an exclusive point of view, pure and simple.

I would go further than that and say it is setting up a hierarchy of people, superior (approved) and inferior (unapproved). Our public institutions and our government should be VERY VERY CAREFUL when assigning privileges based on such categories, and that should be the very essence of a conservative philosophy of civil liberty.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Regarding Chick fil a...boycott away. Its a great cornerstone of capitalism. Company representatives that make bad moves deserve to lose make their company lose business and/or get fired. They'll survive the boycott as their social conservative target customer is perfect for their totally fried menu.

Really inspiring campaign...."sure, maybe I have done a really bad job so far, but at least I'm not (shudder) him."

Not sure why you find that so exalting. Most of us people in the center merely say "a pox on both your houses."

Not calling out the right on this? Negativity has been the right's playbook for years. You can have listened to right wing media for the last 20 years and scarcely heard a positive comment about anyone.