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Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

Which is exactly where the debate on this issue is going. It all comes together :D

Yes indeed. I am starting to wonder how many threads can carry on the same "debate." Looks like 2 right now so maybe someone should throw it into the Rau/Zucker thread as well. Why not?
 
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So in your world, discussing something is the same as actually doing it? And you slander the United States Army based on alleged discussions by the Brits? Churchill wrote that small pox infected blankets were deliberately given to Indians. The technical term for that is "lie." Ward Churchill is a notorious liar and plagiarist, as his colleagues at CU discovered when they investigated his "history." You can try to explain it away 'till the cows come home, but it never happened. Never. I will admit that anti-white mythology impresses some people.

Smallpox blanket genocide

In at least six different essays, Churchill alleged that the United States Army deliberately distributed smallpox-infected blankets to the Mandan Indians at Fort Clark in 1837 to spark a smallpox pandemic, and that hundreds of thousands of Indians died of smallpox as a consequence. Other scholars who have studied this episode agree that smallpox killed many Indians in this time frame, but deny that there is any evidence to support Churchill's allegations of deliberate genocide by means of smallpox blankets. They also charge Churchill with exaggerating the death toll and with falsifying the sources he cites in support of his claims. Professor Thomas Brown wrote in the journal Plagiary that, "Every aspect of Churchill's tale is fabricated."[18]

In November 2004, Guenter Lewy, a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts, published an essay charging Churchill with misrepresenting his sources. Lewy says Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. "He just makes things up," said Lewy. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".[19][20]

In an article in the journal Plagiary, entitled "Did the US Army Distribute Smallpox Blankets to Indians? Fabrication and Falsification in Ward Churchill's Genocide Rhetoric", Lamar University sociology professor Thomas Brown also accused Churchill of fabricating the incident and falsifying his sources.[21] Brown argues that Churchill's claim that his cited source—Russell Thornton—supports Churchill's smallpox blanket allegations is a falsification of Thornton. Brown also charges Churchill with fabricating the presence of US Army personnel on the scene, with fabricating the distribution of blankets taken from a military infirmary in St. Louis, and with concealing evidence in his possession that disconfirms his allegations.

Three of the authors that Churchill cites in support of his smallpox thesis, Evan Connell, RG Robertson and Russell Thornton, have rejected Churchill's interpretation of their work. Thornton characterized Churchill's smallpox thesis as "fabrication."[22]
Although this may have some merit. It seems more likely that the disease was spread through contact than intentionally doing so.
 
So in your world, discussing something is the same as actually doing it? And you slander the United States Army based on alleged discussions by the Brits? Churchill wrote that small pox infected blankets were deliberately given to Indians. The technical term for that is "lie." Ward Churchill is a notorious liar and plagiarist, as his colleagues at CU discovered when they investigated his "history." You can try to explain it away 'till the cows come home, but it never happened. Never. I will admit that anti-white mythology impresses some people.

Smallpox blanket genocide

In at least six different essays, Churchill alleged that the United States Army deliberately distributed smallpox-infected blankets to the Mandan Indians at Fort Clark in 1837 to spark a smallpox pandemic, and that hundreds of thousands of Indians died of smallpox as a consequence. Other scholars who have studied this episode agree that smallpox killed many Indians in this time frame, but deny that there is any evidence to support Churchill's allegations of deliberate genocide by means of smallpox blankets. They also charge Churchill with exaggerating the death toll and with falsifying the sources he cites in support of his claims. Professor Thomas Brown wrote in the journal Plagiary that, "Every aspect of Churchill's tale is fabricated."[18]

In November 2004, Guenter Lewy, a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts, published an essay charging Churchill with misrepresenting his sources. Lewy says Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. "He just makes things up," said Lewy. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".[19][20]

In an article in the journal Plagiary, entitled "Did the US Army Distribute Smallpox Blankets to Indians? Fabrication and Falsification in Ward Churchill's Genocide Rhetoric", Lamar University sociology professor Thomas Brown also accused Churchill of fabricating the incident and falsifying his sources.[21] Brown argues that Churchill's claim that his cited source—Russell Thornton—supports Churchill's smallpox blanket allegations is a falsification of Thornton. Brown also charges Churchill with fabricating the presence of US Army personnel on the scene, with fabricating the distribution of blankets taken from a military infirmary in St. Louis, and with concealing evidence in his possession that disconfirms his allegations.

Three of the authors that Churchill cites in support of his smallpox thesis, Evan Connell, RG Robertson and Russell Thornton, have rejected Churchill's interpretation of their work. Thornton characterized Churchill's smallpox thesis as "fabrication."[22]

I never said discussing it was the same as doing it. Nor did I ever "slander" the US Government. I was merely pointing out that it was actually discussed, and not just a myth (as your post inaccurately seemed to suggest).

Personally, I could care less. The chants are tasteless and disgusting either way.
 
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I never said discussing it was the same as doing it. Nor did I ever "slander" the US Government. I was merely pointing out that it was actually discussed, and not just a myth (as your post inaccurately seemed to suggest).

Personally, I could care less. The chants are tasteless and disgusting either way.

Your tenacity in defending your innacuracy and anti-white prejudice is admirable. The issue was whether or not the US Army deliberately used infected blankets on Indians. Not whether that tactic was ever discussed by a foreign power. Anything else is just noise. And you're pretty noisy, as we've all seen. Let's see, using your standards, if the Roosevelt administration discussed, but declined to put American citizens of Japanese ancestry in concentration camps, it's the same as actually interning them. Do you realize how silly that is? Do you understand how wrong it is to defame the United States Army based on alleged discussions of a policy by another nation? Do you even care that this event never happened? You continue to repeat alleged discussions by the Brits as if it has some bearing on the Churchill lies. As I say, your tenacity in defending your apparant anti-white prejudice is admirable.
 
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Although this may have some merit. It seems more likely that the disease was spread through contact than intentionally doing so.

Some merit? It has no merit. It is a lie. And has been shown to be so repeatedly. The idea may have merit in the eyes of die hard anti-whites, but no one else. It never happened. Never.
 
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The solution is easy: Have UND retire their racist logo/mascot and the issue of the chants will be solved.
 
Your tenacity in defending your innacuracy and anti-white prejudice is admirable. The issue was whether or not the US Army deliberately used infected blankets on Indians. Anything else is just noise. And you're pretty noisy, as we've all seen. Let's see, using your standards, if the Roosevelt administration discussed, but declined to put American citizens of Japanese ancestry in concentration camps, it's the same as interning them. Do you realize how silly that is?

I never said the US Government did or did not deliberately infect blankets. I simply pointed out that there were tangible discussions by the British about doing so. So, the concept of using infected blankets to kill Native Americans wasn't just a series of tall tales by Churchhill (as you made it seem).

What you fail to understand is that the US Government is completely irrelevant to this discussion. These chants, whether referencing something the US, the British, ect... did or did not do, glorify what is essentially an act of genocide.

Just because the idea of using infected blankets to kill people was only discussed, that doesn't mean using that sick thought in a chant isn't racist or offensive.
 
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Yippee. Another, "For the love of Parise s t f u about this stupid topic already" thread.
 
Re: Duluth hockey fans warned after racist chants

I never said the US Government did or did not deliberately infect blankets. I simply pointed out that there were tangible discussions by the British about doing so. So, the concept of using infected blankets to kill Native Americans wasn't just a series of tall tales by Churchhill (as you made it seem).

What you fail to understand is that the US Government is completely irrelevant to this discussion. These chants, whether referencing something the US, the British, ect... did or did not do, glorify what is essentially an act of genocide.



Just because the idea of using infected blankets to kill people was only discussed, that doesn't mean using that sick thought in a chant isn't racist or offensive.

You are so racist, bigoted and prejudiced against whites you continue to defend a known liar and plagiarist. Shame on you. Churchill's writings on this subject WERE a series of tall tales. He asserted as fact an event that was totally made up. And his writings have nothing to do with what the Brits may or may not have discussed. Churchill wasn't writing about the Brits, he was writing about the United States Army. Your continued references to these alleged discussions by the Brits are beyond irrelevant. And show just how bigoted you are. You want to embrace any anti-white nonsense, even the nonsense proven to be a lie.
 
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I never said the US Government did or did not deliberately infect blankets. I simply pointed out that there were tangible discussions by the British about doing so. So, the concept of using infected blankets to kill Native Americans wasn't just a series of tall tales by Churchhill (as you made it seem).

What you fail to understand is that the US Government is completely irrelevant to this discussion. These chants, whether referencing something the US, the British, ect... did or did not do, glorify what is essentially an act of genocide.

Just because the idea of using infected blankets to kill people was only discussed, that doesn't mean using that sick thought in a chant isn't racist or offensive.
How can you possibly call something that was not done on purpose "essentially an act of genocide?" That's just disturbing if you really can make that comparison.
 
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