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DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

Minnesota will likely sleepwalk in like they have all year and be proud of stealing a single point when the weekend concludes.

Should be rousing entertainment.
Where's the Old Minnesota Pride?

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Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

If by "ignorance" you mean I haven't swallowed Minnesota mythology hook line and sinker, then guilty. However, I know BS when I see it. And your highly selective analysis of what went on here is BS. The idea that your great man was only or even primarily concerned with truth, justice and the American way is a crock. But it's evidently a myth that warms your heart on these cold winter nights. No harm done, of course, but please dont pester the adults with propaganda posing as "research."

You are one cynical b^tch. I'm guessing your female, over 50 in the middle of menopause with an Oedipus complex.:D Your welcome to see the research which was mainly collated from Harvard University Archives (a fairly credible source), but looking at your response I think your content floundering in your mid life crisis.
 
Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

You are one cynical b^tch. I'm guessing your female, over 50 in the middle of menopause with an Oedipus complex.:D Your welcome to see the research which was mainly collated from Harvard University Archives (a fairly credible source), but looking at your response I think your content floundering in your mid life crisis.

I may be all of that and more, but at least I know the difference between "you" and "you're." :)
 
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You are one cynical b^tch. I'm guessing your female, over 50 in the middle of menopause with an Oedipus complex.:D Your welcome to see the research which was mainly collated from Harvard University Archives (a fairly credible source), but looking at your response I think your content floundering in your mid life crisis.

Dammit Harley, you can't talk smack with that many grammatical mistakes!!! :D



Swami - while I can see your view from the Denver perspective, do you hold as jaded of a view of the Minnesota perspective as Old Pio?
 
Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

Dammit Harley, you can't talk smack with that many grammatical mistakes!!! :D



Swami - while I can see your view from the Denver perspective, do you hold as jaded of a view of the Minnesota perspective as Old Pio?

I wouldn't presume to speak for Swami, however his most recent post, I think, answers your question.

The attitude of UM (then and now, but especially then) on this matter would make Marie Antoinette blush. The great man, sitting on the mountaintop, coaching hockey at the state's flagship university, in the one state where hockey is played everywhere and playing hockey for that school is regarded as something akin to a civic duty, can't understand why a little private school (unable to pick the pockets of tax payers as it sees fit) like DU just can't recruit in the states.

Dim bulbs like Harley augment this dishonest argument by pointing out that DU has and had students from all 50 states. Of course, Murray could have recruited ARKLATEX for players. Or maybe Hawaii. No wait, a handful of Hawaiians have become Sanyaku sekitori, but none of those dudes could skate. Besides, who wants a 6' 8" 500 pound defenseman anyway? Well, there's always those foreign countries. After all, Bunny Ahearne was from UK, maybe Murray could have found some slick centers in Liverpool. Or on the continent, some goalies from the Loire Valley. Japan was out of the question because Michigan had the Wakabayashis all locked up.

That leaves us with C**a*a, where Murray found a repository of nice young men and good students who could play hockey. And, wouldn't you know it, they could play the game better than most Americans, even the home grown avatars of all that's decent and holy who matriculated at UMTC. The great man pondered and decided if you can't beat 'em, don't play 'em. And then wrapped that self-serving judgement in the flag, Kate Smith, Mount Rushmore, Valley Forge and Gettysburg. Because if Murray HAD found centers in Liverpool, goalies in France and wingers in the Ginza, the great man would have simply expanded his geographic boycott.

The central premise here is "this is our turf," and "you've got to play by our rules." Years ago Little League showed some of the same class as the great man. They got tired of the Taiwan kids beating the stuffing out of our boys, so they tried to legislate them out of the World Series. "That'll show those little foreign beggars."

As the United Kingom industrialized and the railroad showed promise of being a game changer, anti-railroad interests in Parliament sought and got passage of the Red Flag Act. It required a man to walk in front of a train, waving a red flag, at each crossing. The idea being to slow the trains down so that other, slower means of conveyance would remain competitive.

The great man tried his own version of the Red Flag Act and it had about as much success as the original and was just as self-serving.
 
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Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

The same players were avaliable to all NCAA teams. Just because Minnesota and others chose not to recruit them, doesn't make Denver a cheater for recruiting them. Looking at the ages of the players then and now, you see little difference. DU has players from 18-24 on its roster, the same as other teams.

What they didn't like was the fact that these Canadians were far better players - not just older, but better. Reading between the lines, it's almost as if Armstrong's opponents didn't see these players as college students, but pro mercenaries who just came to Denver to play hockey. In fact, they were good college students that happened to be more experienced hockey players.

Recruiting Canadians does not hurt the development of the American player. It helps it by raising the bar for the American player to compete harder. If you were to outlaw Canadians from college hockey and simply have American players, the quality of NCAA Hockey would drop like a stone, as the top Americans would leave too, and we'd be stuck with the bottom half of the USHL rosters. Top American players want to play against the best possible competition to improve their games and they'd go to MJ. Hockey is a global game, and I want to see Americans competing against the best, not just against each other.

Certainly, Harvard and Minnesota have students from all over the world, just as Denver does. They should be able to fill their teams with students that are the best hockey players, without regard for where they came from. Had better American players been available to Armstrong than Canadians for the same roster spot, I am sure he would have taken the American kid. Armstrong's problem was that the better American players were already committed to other schools. He built his program with the best players he could find, which happened to be Canadian.

I agree with everything you said, except for the use of this one sentence to excuse or explain away Armstrong's actions.

He didn't look around, discover all the good US kids went elsewhere, and find himself stuck looking to Canada for talent. Armstrong was a Canadian, he came up through their junior system, and he knew the talent there. He knew the players in Canada were better than the talent you'd find in the US, even the best talent in the US.

It was legal to bring these players in, and he chose to do so, just like other programs, including North Dakota.

But I don't buy this crap that Armstrong at DU, or any of the other programs who brought in Canadians at that time did so because there were no US players available. They just wanted better players.

Mariucci chose to go another way. You can argue it was altruistic, xenophobic or somewhere in between. Who cares? Notwithstanding Happy's lobbying, there aren't going to be any asterisks next to any titles, and we can't go back and play any unplayed games, at least not until they get the College Hockey Classic videogame perfected.
 
Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

You are one cynical b^tch. I'm guessing your female, over 50 in the middle of menopause with an Oedipus complex.:D Your welcome to see the research which was mainly collated from Harvard University Archives (a fairly credible source), but looking at your response I think your content floundering in your mid life crisis.

I don't think you can be female and have an oedipal complex. I think that is just called Daddy issues :)
 
Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

Usually, when I'm not slogging through the Harvard archives (I'd rather have needles in my eyes).
Your (Did I use "your" correctly oh captain of the grammar police?) credibility crashed into a mountain when you posted a Minnesota fan started this mess. It started on fire when you made your (How about here?) irrelevant Parson Weems reference, and it burned to a crisp when your (Still good right? I'm really on a roll!) attitude lowered itself to insults and name calling. You're (I can even change things up. Impressed?) really looking to receive several of those little red chiclets aren't you?

I think I'll stick with Puck Swami for historical DU information. At least he can present his side of things without being a compete "Richard".:rolleyes:
 
Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

Wooger is almost always right. Perhaps a little demented at times, but his hockey knowledge is unsurpassed and his always-refereshing take is a joy in these days of bland TV personalities. I'd take Wooger on our broadcast any day.

Love the Wooger

"chitter-chatter-pitter-patter - lets get at err"
 
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At least he can present his side of things without being a compete "Richard".:rolleyes:

Where is the fun in that?

It is a shame that Denver is such a high-quality opponent. Getting swept probably won't drop Minnesota out of TUC status.
 
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Your (Did I use "your" correctly oh captain of the grammar police?) credibility crashed into a mountain when you posted a Minnesota fan started this mess. It started on fire when you made your (How about here?) irrelevant Parson Weems reference, and it burned to a crisp when your (Still good right? I'm really on a roll!) attitude lowered itself to insults and name calling. You're (I can even change things up. Impressed?) really looking to receive several of those little red chiclets aren't you?

I think I'll stick with Puck Swami for historical DU information. At least he can present his side of things without being a compete "Richard".:rolleyes:

Such a scamp. Swami's always the best source on these matters. Perhaps at UMTC they teach that proper grammar is optional, but not at DU. How 'bout I send you a copy of Strunk and White? That way you could improve your grammar and tend to personal hygiene at the same time. :)

edit: I'm also shocked that my Parson Weems reference didn't at least earn me a few brownie points. Tough room.
 
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Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

Murray wasn't only a hockey coach. He was the Western Distributor for The Biltmore Stetson Hat Company. He used to have one of his players bring down a shipment each season.

Bob Peers...

I was given a cardboard box in Winnipeg, and I asked the guy, “What’s that?”

He said, “They’re Biltmore Stetsons.”

At that time Biltmores were made in Guelph, Ontario and they had a junior hockey team that had won a couple of championships and they were called the Guelph Biltmores. Murray was a Western Distributor in Canada for Biltmore hats.

He would bring a bunch of these hats down to Denver to give to all of his cronies, friends and everything like that. So I inherited these hats. Here I am a kid of 18 and didn’t know what the hell was going on.

I get on this train going down to Denver thinking that I was going with two buddies and ended up going all by myself. In those days they would check customs and immigration right on the train. I’m sitting in the train and this guy comes by and asked me where I was going.

I showed him my student visa and then he asked, “Do you have any luggage?”

I said, “Yes, it’s back in the luggage compartment.”

He asked if I had anything to declare. Being naïve I said, “No, but I’ve got a bunch of hats.”

He asks, “What kind of hats?”

I said, “I don’t know. I’m taking them for the coach.”

He says, “Oh, lets go down and have a look at those.”

So I said OK and we walked down to the baggage car there and he opens up the box. Then he says, “Oh, they’re nice, expensive hats, but you can’t bring those in (to the US).”

I said to him, “But they’re not mine!”

He says to me, “When you get into the Denver. This guy that you’re talking about, this Murray Armstrong is going to have to pay duty on them.”

I said, “Fine, I don’t care.”

When the train arrives at Union Station in Denver, Murray’s waiting there.

Murray says to me, “Bob, how was your trip down?”

I told him that it was great.

Then Murray asks, “Did you bring my hats?”

I said, “Yeah Murray, but I think there’s a problem.”

He said, “What do you mean?”

I said, “Well, I got stopped and you’ve got some paperwork to do.”

He says, “Well, we’ll see about that!”

Murray goes over to the customs clearinghouse area. Murray was quite loquacious.

The next thing I know, this guy at the baggage claim was saying to Murray “yes sir, yes sir, I’m sorry sir” and then he just gave him the hats! (Laughs)

I don’t know what the heck Murray had said to him, but he got his hats.

So that was the first time that I knew this guy has something to offer. He was obviously well known and articulate. He was able to finesse or whatever without being dishonest. He wasn’t dishonest, but I think he said that they were gifts. So by the code and everything, you can bring in gifts.

He said, “I’m not reselling them or anything like that. I paid for them, so these are for my friends.” I think that’s how he got around it. He’s quite a guy.”
 
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Re: DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

Murray wasn't only a hockey coach. He was the Western Distributor for The Biltmore Stetson Hat Company. He used to have one of his players bring down a shipment each season.

IIRC he also had exclusive North American rights to Jet-ex, that device you screwed onto a hose for washing and waxing your car. Like Herbie said, Murray always wanted to talk business first, then hockey.

edit: BTW that Beers annecdote is one of the best ever!
 
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