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DU vs UM 2/12-2/13 at Magness

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DU Game notes also has links to MN Game Notes and WCHA Weekly Release.

DU Game Notes

DU injury situation from game notes.

INJURY UPDATE
Jesse Martin (upper body) and William Wrenn (lower body) are doubtful this weekend with injuries. Martin has missed the last three games, while Wrenn has missed the last four. Brian Gifford (upper body) is questionable after he missed last weekend's nonconference sweep.

Sounds like Gifford could be the one injured player that may play this weekend.

TV this weekend

FSN Rocky Mountain, FSN North and FCS Atlantic - 7:30 PM MT on Friday, 7:00 PM MT on Saturday

Saturday night game on FCS Atlantic is being joined in progress one hour after the game starts. Friday night game will be seen fully live.
 
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Interesting that DU's program began to decline as Minnesota came to prominence in the 70's and Wisconsin joined the WCHA.

As DU's old Ice Arena fell into a state of disrepair so did the hockey program.

As Chancellor Ritchie was giving Gwozdecky a tour during the coaching search, Gwozdecky later described the building as a "dump." Supposedly Ritchie promised to build a new Arena.

Historically Gwozdecky has always considered Minnesota to be one of the most important series of the year, no doubt based on his Wisconsin background and a long time rivalry with Lucia going back to the CC days. Anyone who thinks that DU will be taking Minnesota lightly doesn't know the backstory.

Do you mean prominence as meaning Minnesota's golden era? Because prior to 1970 the school won 2 AAU National Championships, 2 NCCA Runner up and 1 Third place not exactly chopped liver. In the 88 year history of the program the Gophers only have had 15 losing seasons.

Gwoz was right the DU arena needed to be demolished and it probably hurt recruiting. I often wonder how the Gophers did it without a brand new arena. More over, I will go out on a limb and say DU was lucky when they hired Gwoz. Out of Miami he wasn't exactly a first tier coaching candidate but obviously he deserves the accolades, Gwoz really is an impressive coach.
 
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Non-Kool-Aid Brenthoven says MN takes 3 points. Tie on Fri, Win on Sat.

The real Brenthoven says MN SWEEPS! (should I add an OMGWTeffBBQLOLZERS!1!!!11!!!!)?
 
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BTW, it was not DU posters who started our little trip down memory lane. Puck Swami offered a historic analysis of DU's best performances in 4-game series against MN and suggested that perhaps we might have had other good years during the boycott.

It was Happy (oh, the irony) who regurgitated the Kool aid version of what went on in those days. We have merely endeavored to provide a little context. Sort of like James Randi and Penn & Teller continuing their battles against fortune tellers and other frauds.

Really? Even Skiumah asked Swami if he was fishing? dggoddard posted the record, Swami threw out the hook, and we all knew it was Happy that would bite.

I know it doesn't matter to any of you, but I really like the DU weeks because the posters are usually smart, knowledgeable and there is generally little venom, and I've always thought you a good poster too Old Pio, but this history lesson that you feel you need to keep teaching us, gets a little old. We know about it, the vast majority of us really don't care, and being "taught" about it at least once a year really won't make us change our mind. Again, get over it.
 
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Really? Even Skiumah asked Swami if he was fishing? dggoddard posted the record, Swami threw out the hook, and we all knew it was Happy that would bite.

I know it doesn't matter to any of you, but I really like the DU weeks because the posters are usually smart, knowledgeable and there is generally little venom, and I've always thought you a good poster too Old Pio, but this history lesson that you feel you need to keep teaching us, gets a little old. We know about it, the vast majority of us really don't care, and being "taught" about it at least once a year really won't make us change our mind. Again, get over it.

Old Pio likes to serve his history laced with a little arsenic. It's part of his undeniable charm.:cool:

I'll take the hit for baiting the hook.

Any line chart for the Gophers yet?
 
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Really? Even Skiumah asked Swami if he was fishing? dggoddard posted the record, Swami threw out the hook, and we all knew it was Happy that would bite.

I know it doesn't matter to any of you, but I really like the DU weeks because the posters are usually smart, knowledgeable and there is generally little venom, and I've always thought you a good poster too Old Pio, but this history lesson that you feel you need to keep teaching us, gets a little old. We know about it, the vast majority of us really don't care, and being "taught" about it at least once a year really won't make us change our mind. Again, get over it.

Flattery will get you nowhere. In Texas they remember the Alamo and Juneteenth. Around here some of us remember self-serving bs and posturing for what it was. I won't be around that much longer, after which you can airbrush this glorious chapter of Gopher hockey as you please. In the meantime, YOU get over it. Ta.
 
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THE FOLLOWING TWO POSTS WERE SO LONG I HAD TO SPLIT THEM UP AND ARE THE LONGEST I'VE EVER POSTED ON THIS BOARD. NOT MY TWO CENTS BY ANY MEANS MAYBE TWO DOLLARS?;)

By the NCAA definition at the time, major junior players were not pros and were 100% eligible and legal players until 1980 when the rules were changed.

Actually the 20 year rule which was a precursor to the current NCAA policy on former MJ players who desire to play in the NCAA began in Jan. 1961. The 20-year rule stated that any one who plays on an organized team after his 20th birthday and before his college matriculation shall have each year of play counted against his varsity eligibility. The NCAA limited the rule to foreign students. This was the first major step taken to cut down on the number of older, more experienced Canadian players. During this time, the nationwide controversy and protest was primarily focused on Denver University’s unfair recruiting policies. The nationwide controversy reached such a peak in 1958, after Denver had won its first NCAA title, that only two teams in the Western league agreed to play DU the following year (NDU and CC). As a result, the league folded, and Denver did not have enough NCAA-accredited games for the tournament in 1959.

DU was a 100% college team and the NCAA banners they won were won fair and square under the rules of the day. Had Denver recruited only 18 years olds, they would've been slaughtered, as there was no local pool of players to draw from. The DU program would never have made it without Canadian players. Had they been forced to recruit 18 year old Americans, DU would have had to take second tier players for other hotbeds, and would never have been competitive, let alone successful in a place like Denver, where no hockey culture existed

That’s not necessarily true. At the peak of the controversy in 1961, DU hockey was predominantly Canadian. All but one of its 19 players were Canadian. The only American was junior goalie Paul DiNapoli from Belmont, who had never played in a varsity game. Of the 18 Canadians, one was 24; three were 23 (including junior goalie George Kirkwood, who has been declared ineligible for next season because of the 20-year rule); five were 22; five were 21; three were 20; and one was 19. All but two of the Canadians played in the controversial Junior A leagues before college; one (defenseman George Konik) who turned down a two-year pro contract with the New York Rangers to go to college.

However, DU had an enrollment of 4200, three-fifths of which were men. The University had three undergraduate programs--in the Arts and Sciences, Engineering, and Business Administration--and graduate programs included a law school. DU boasted of students from all 50 states and from over 50 foreign countries, and had over 140 student organizations including 14 fraternities and seven sororities. Sixty percent of the student body were from outside the state of Colorado. Recruiting was not at all hindered by geography, socioeconomic or sociocultural factors. DU’s recruiting policy, primarily directed by Murray Armstrong, was purposely instituted and funded to recruit Canadians only. Murray Armstrong rarely made any attempt to recruit anywhere else. That is a fact, he admitted it and I can pull the research if you want to see it. His focus was to bring experienced Canadians of all ages to DU to win championships, which he did.

"Denver has a natural drawing attraction," Chancellor Chester M. Alter (Ph. D. in chemistry from Harvard, 1934), said, noting that DU is the only private university within a thousand-mile radius... - Harvard Crimson Friday, April 14, 1961

No phishing. Just facts. Minnesota is the one program that melds hockey culture and state pride like no other, and I see why Mariucci did what he did - he was maximizing his assets, and promoting a bigger idea, but there is only one Minnesota, and the model really only works there and not in other places. Other US regions could never really be viable with that model without the cultural component that was made possible by the presence of natural ice. Additonally, the idea of not playing certain schools just because they followed a different (but legal) recruitment practice smacks of self-service (although some would say principle).

Nice selection bias here PS.:D Let's clarify one point on this thread: John Mariucci was not the only principle figure in the DU protest as I pointed out previously. There was strong “Eastern” approach to developing American hockey, with whom Mariucci aligned himself, and the overall protest was clearly nationwide. Among key schools that waged fervent protest against DU were Harvard, Yale, St. Lawrence, Minnesota, etc. Jack Riley, coach of West Point and the U.S. Olympic team in 1960, was quoted as saying in 1961 that the NCAA tournament was "a farce" because of DU’s unethical Canadian recruiting policy.

Harvard was particularly vehement in their opposition to DU for two reasons: 1) Harvard believed the scholastic level of education at DU was low in comparison to their emphasis on athletic programs and 2) The recruiting policies were seen as violating NCAA ethical standards. Harvard refused to engage in post season play for 4 straight seasons because of what was perceived by Harvard as a movement by DU to professionalize college hockey.

Harvard’s Athletic Director (The Harvard Crimson, 1962) was very vocal in their protest and boycott stating that “hockey in the Western League seems to be on the wrong track” and that something must be done about the "heavily subsidized specialists" (i.e. DU) now playing in Western Hockey League uniforms.

A sportswriter for the Minneapolis Star and Tribune told the CRIMSON yesterday that he "would be surprised if there were over a half-dozen Americans in the Western league excluding Minnesota's team."

"The circumstances of hockey in the Western League seem to us to be on the wrong track, involving generally the heavy recruiting of Canadian players, the use of athletic scholarships, and what appears to be an intensive effort to develop a big-time, commercially successful sport. . . These circumstances, pressing college sports on toward commercialism in aim and professionalism in spirit, are quite precisely the circumstances that the Ivy League colleges have banded together to avoid. . .

"We are proud of our hockey squad and we understand why its members would wish to have the honor of representing Harvard and the East in a bonafide national collegiate hockey championship. But we cannot think of the NCAA championship as an event toward which we should sensibly point our hockey aspirations season after season." - The Harvard Crimson, February 16, 1962

Incidently, the history of the rise of commercialism in college athletics indicates that Ivy league schools have typically been at the center of fervent protest against the commercialization of college athletics in favor of scholarship. Unfortunately much of the battle is being lost in academia today in favor of sports entertainment value. The historical debate on scholarship and athletics has been consistently waged and defended in favor of scholarship primarily by Harvard and Yale among a very few others.

Furthermore, Mariucci as well as a host of other coaches loosely banded together to protest DU’s recruiting policies by boycotting NCAA postseason play in an effort to promote and expand USA hockey. It was not a protectionist, self serving movement but was an antecedent in the development of NCAA recruiting policy and USA hockey as it exists today. DU policy was legal before the rule change in 1961. However, under the democratic scrutiny of various coaches and major academic institutions in the United States, DU’s recruiting policy was viewed as entirely unethical and guilty of eligibility and recruiting violations.
 
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I don't think Mariucci was trying to eliminate older players as much as he was trying to promote American players. His strategy was handed off to Brooks who continued it and reaped the benfits in 1980. That lead to the US hockey explosion. I doubt Denver would have a kid from Huntington Beach CA lead their team in scoring but for the chain of events leading up to 1980 Olympic gold. So I think his strategy worked more than partially.

Minnesota may have the best infrastructure for supplying 18 year old players (the number of arenas and outdoor ice) but the culture of hockey has significantly diminished that in the last 20 years. It's now a game for the rich. Those that can afford expensive off season training generally are the ones that advance furthest. Where you live is less important now. Parental resources is a bigger factor. You see kids in D1 coming from places like Dallas where they can afford ice time and training all year round. It's not like the kid who spends hours at the outdoor rink in Minnesota has all the advantages these days. Besides, global warming has taken it's toll on Minnesota's natural resources.:D So maybe in this context, Mariucci's strategy was only partially successful.

This post is a much more accurate depiction of what Mariucci’s focus was and of the past, present and future of Minnesota hockey. Well done.

You can cloak Maricucci's strategy in red, white and blue, but I think that was more of a nice by-product - I think his strategy was much more about Maroon and Gold -- leveraging his local advantages. By taking away older players and Canadians from his competition, it would help the chances of The University of Minnesota and Minnesota's hockey ecosystem. Helping Americans was a third pillar, but not as important as the first two.

Of course he was concerned about the Maroon and Gold, just as much as Armstrong was of DU.:rolleyes: That’s what coaches are hired to do. That does not negate the fact that the protest was broad based in regards to DU’s unfair eligibility and recruiting policies. Ecosystem? Show me some substantive research on that please. Third pillar? Absurd. Where is the scholarly research to substantiate your viewpoints PS?

Swami, you just bite your tongue. How dare you suggest that the great man was motivated by anything other than altruism? The fact that DU would have gone through the Gophers like crap through a goose (and did just about everytime the rodents couldn't duck the Pioneers) is beside the point. Even if the great man thought his American boys were competitive with DU's mean old Canadians, he would stuck to his guns. There's a principle involved here! How I wish Jimbo were around to enjoy the horse laugh on that one. The Gophers had DU right where they wanted them: off the schedule.

Your sarcasm really demonstrates your selection bias and ignorance of historical fact.:p No one is buttressing arguments here with idealism. There were both local and national interests at stake. However, accurate research indicates that Mariucci collaborated with several coaches throughout the United States to pioneer and promote ethical standards in NCAA recruitment policies and expand USA hockey. He was not anti-Canadian as there were Canadians who played during his tenure for the UMN. He was however Pro-American.

“John Mariucci, coach of the Minnesota sextet, has said "Eastern teams have been the only ones that are doing anything for American hockey." Like Harvard, Minnesota has often refused to compete against such rabid recruiters (of Canadians) as Michigan and Denver.” Harvard Crimson, March 13, 1963

Beautifully stated. Like an episode of the freakin' Waltons. But entirely beside the point (at least the one I was endeavoring to make). Mariucci was peeing in his pants at the prospect of having to play DU. Do you honestly believe he would have refused to play us if he thought he had a chance? Please, not to make me laugh. Yes, as you say, the "state of hockey" has many advantages and many of those advantages inure to the hockey program at the state's flagship university. Perhaps we should stop contesting these league and national titles and just award the championships in perpetuity to the Gophers, would that make you happy? Can we ever apologize enough for poaching on your territory?

Your sarcasm is rather ridiculous. You obviously have an axe to grind. I would prefer to see some scholarship instead of some pompous pseudo intellectual grandstanding.

Mariucci easily could have extended his recruiting trips just a few miles further north to compete more successfully with the powerhouse programs of his era. But he had a longer term vision for American players (or Minnesota players if you prefer). He sacrificed short term success for a longer term goal which he attained. I don't have anything negative to say about Armstrong. Mariucci was extremely stubborn. That trait ultimately was a major factor in the development of American/Minnesotan hockey. But it also was too extreme at times. I don't see the benefit of his refusal to play Denver (and get thrashed). It only took away from what he accomplished.

The apperception of the times brought about what was needed to build the infrastructure in USA hockey that we enjoy today. But Mariucci was only one of many who helped to forge a movement of developing American hockey at the college and pro level. In all fairness to Armstrong, he was quite diligent in the aftermath of protest to assure the NCAA and coaches that DU would adhere to new policies and standards. He was a visionary who played an important role in the synthesis of a school of thought that continues to evolve and form a contemporary identity as USA hockey.
 
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THE FOLLOWING TWO POSTS WERE SO LONG I HAD TO SPLIT THEM UP AND ARE THE LONGEST I'VE EVER POSTED ON THIS BOARD. NOT MY TWO CENTS BY ANY MEANS MAYBE TWO DOLLARS?;)



Actually the 20 year rule which was a precursor to the current NCAA policy on former MJ players who desire to play in the NCAA began in Jan. 1961. The 20-year rule stated that any one who plays on an organized team after his 20th birthday and before his college matriculation shall have each year of play counted against his varsity eligibility. The NCAA limited the rule to foreign students. This was the first major step taken to cut down on the number of older, more experienced Canadian players. During this time, the nationwide controversy and protest was primarily focused on Denver University’s unfair recruiting policies. The nationwide controversy reached such a peak in 1958, after Denver had won its first NCAA title, that only two teams in the Western league agreed to play DU the following year (NDU and CC). As a result, the league folded, and Denver did not have enough NCAA-accredited games for the tournament in 1959.



That’s not necessarily true. At the peak of the controversy in 1961, DU hockey was predominantly Canadian. All but one of its 19 players were Canadian. The only American was junior goalie Paul DiNapoli from Belmont, who had never played in a varsity game. Of the 18 Canadians, one was 24; three were 23 (including junior goalie George Kirkwood, who has been declared ineligible for next season because of the 20-year rule); five were 22; five were 21; three were 20; and one was 19. All but two of the Canadians played in the controversial Junior A leagues before college; one (defenseman George Konik) who turned down a two-year pro contract with the New York Rangers to go to college.

However, DU had an enrollment of 4200, three-fifths of which were men. The University had three undergraduate programs--in the Arts and Sciences, Engineering, and Business Administration--and graduate programs included a law school. DU boasted of students from all 50 states and from over 50 foreign countries, and had over 140 student organizations including 14 fraternities and seven sororities. Sixty percent of the student body were from outside the state of Colorado. Recruiting was not at all hindered by geography, socioeconomic or sociocultural factors. DU’s recruiting policy, primarily directed by Murray Armstrong, was purposely instituted and funded to recruit Canadians only. Murray Armstrong rarely made any attempt to recruit anywhere else. That is a fact, he admitted it and I can pull the research if you want to see it. His focus was to bring experienced Canadians of all ages to DU to win championships, which he did.





Nice selection bias here PS.:D Let's clarify one point on this thread: John Mariucci was not the only principle figure in the DU protest as I pointed out previously. There was strong “Eastern” approach to developing American hockey, with whom Mariucci aligned himself, and the overall protest was clearly nationwide. Among key schools that waged fervent protest against DU were Harvard, Yale, St. Lawrence, Minnesota, etc. Jack Riley, coach of West Point and the U.S. Olympic team in 1960, was quoted as saying in 1961 that the NCAA tournament was "a farce" because of DU’s unethical Canadian recruiting policy.

Harvard was particularly vehement in their opposition to DU for two reasons: 1) Harvard believed the scholastic level of education at DU was low in comparison to their emphasis on athletic programs and 2) The recruiting policies were seen as violating NCAA ethical standards. Harvard refused to engage in post season play for 4 straight seasons because of what was perceived by Harvard as a movement by DU to professionalize college hockey.

Harvard’s Athletic Director (The Harvard Crimson, 1962) was very vocal in their protest and boycott stating that “hockey in the Western League seems to be on the wrong track” and that something must be done about the "heavily subsidized specialists" (i.e. DU) now playing in Western Hockey League uniforms.



Incidently, the history of the rise of commercialism in college athletics indicates that Ivy league schools have typically been at the center of fervent protest against the commercialization of college athletics in favor of scholarship. Unfortunately much of the battle is being lost in academia today in favor of sports entertainment value. The historical debate on scholarship and athletics has been consistently waged and defended in favor of scholarship primarily by Harvard and Yale among a very few others.

Furthermore, Mariucci as well as a host of other coaches loosely banded together to protest DU’s recruiting policies by boycotting NCAA postseason play in an effort to promote and expand USA hockey. It was not a protectionist, self serving movement but was an antecedent in the development of NCAA recruiting policy and USA hockey as it exists today. DU policy was legal before the rule change in 1961. However, under the democratic scrutiny of various coaches and major academic institutions in the United States, DU’s recruiting policy was viewed as entirely unethical and guilty of eligibility and recruiting violations.

Whine. Mommee, they're saying bad stuff about thegreatestcollegehockeycoachinthehistoryoftheworld. Make 'em stop.
 
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This post is a much more accurate depiction of what Mariucci’s focus was and of the past, present and future of Minnesota hockey. Well done.



Of course he was concerned about the Maroon and Gold, just as much as Armstrong was of DU.:rolleyes: That’s what coaches are hired to do. That does not negate the fact that the protest was broad based in regards to DU’s unfair eligibility and recruiting policies. Ecosystem? Show me some substantive research on that please. Third pillar? Absurd. Where is the scholarly research to substantiate your viewpoints PS?



Your sarcasm really demonstrates your selection bias and ignorance of historical fact.:p No one is buttressing arguments here with idealism. There were both local and national interests at stake. However, accurate research indicates that Mariucci collaborated with several coaches throughout the United States to pioneer and promote ethical standards in NCAA recruitment policies and expand USA hockey. He was not anti-Canadian as there were Canadians who played during his tenure for the UMN. He was however Pro-American.





Your sarcasm is rather ridiculous. You obviously have an axe to grind. I would prefer to see some scholarship instead of some pompous pseudo intellectual grandstanding.



The apperception of the times brought about what was needed to build the infrastructure in USA hockey that we enjoy today. But Mariucci was only one of many who helped to forge a movement of developing American hockey at the college and pro level. In all fairness to Armstrong, he was quite diligent in the aftermath of protest to assure the NCAA and coaches that DU would adhere to new policies and standards. He was a visionary who played an important role in the synthesis of a school of thought that continues to evolve and form a contemporary identity as USA hockey.

If by "ignorance" you mean I haven't swallowed Minnesota mythology hook line and sinker, then guilty. However, I know BS when I see it. And your highly selective analysis of what went on here is BS. The idea that your great man was only or even primarily concerned with truth, justice and the American way is a crock. But it's evidently a myth that warms your heart on these cold winter nights. No harm done, of course, but please dont pester the adults with propaganda posing as "research."
 
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Finally things are heating up around here. :D

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So what it really boils down to is that DU was a bunch of overaged Canadians and were cheating.
 
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So what it really boils down to is that DU was a bunch of overaged Canadians and were cheating.

True but incomplete. Add the following text: "And Minnesota avoided playing these overage cheating Canadians out of fear of getting snot on their maroon and gold ties." :D
 
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Should be an interesting series. With the way things are going Denver should be embarrassed by anything other than a sweep at home against Minnesota. Minnesota will likely sleepwalk in like they have all year and be proud of stealing a single point when the weekend concludes.

Should be rousing entertainment.
 
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Other thoughts on DU's decline:

1) The University of Denver as a school was running out of money in the late 70s and all sports except hockey were downgraded from NCAA D-I to NAIA/DII status in 1979. Without money, every program falls apart. By the 1980s, the university was in financial chaos, and didn't recover from that until well into the 90s.

2) Murray Armstrong retired in 1976. DU was still #1 all year in '77 -78 (33-6-1) but was on NCAA probation due to the Murray vs the NCAA standoff over Canadian Junior players. They would have had a great shot to beat BU in 1978, but DU never got the chance to play in the NCAAs. Coaching after 1978 was mediocre - Ralph Backstom had one great year in 85-86 when he won the WCHA and went to the Frozen Four, but apart from that one year, DU was pretty mediocre. By the late '80s, Backstrom was operating a program in a death trap arena with no money, and the program hit total rock bottom in the early 90s after Backstrom left. Serratorre put some good things in place for a return to prominence, but it took a serious money infusion from Chancellor Ritchie in the 90s to right the ship when they brought Gwoz and Co. on board.

I had forgotten how long the DU program went into dormency before Gwoz came along. No wonder why Old Pio is so crabby. :D I'm hoping Lucia (or his successor) can pull Minnesota out of their current domency a little quicker.
 
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The same players were avaliable to all NCAA teams. Just because Minnesota and others chose not to recruit them, doesn't make Denver a cheater for recruiting them. Looking at the ages of the players then and now, you see little difference. DU has players from 18-24 on its roster, the same as other teams.

What they didn't like was the fact that these Canadians were far better players - not just older, but better. Reading between the lines, it's almost as if Armstrong's opponents didn't see these players as college students, but pro mercenaries who just came to Denver to play hockey. In fact, they were good college students that happened to be more experienced hockey players.

Recruiting Canadians does not hurt the development of the American player. It helps it by raising the bar for the American player to compete harder. If you were to outlaw Canadians from college hockey and simply have American players, the quality of NCAA Hockey would drop like a stone, as the top Americans would leave too, and we'd be stuck with the bottom half of the USHL rosters. Top American players want to play against the best possible competition to improve their games and they'd go to MJ. Hockey is a global game, and I want to see Americans competing against the best, not just against each other.

Certainly, Harvard and Minnesota have students from all over the world, just as Denver does. They should be able to fill their teams with students that are the best hockey players, without regard for where they came from. Had better American players been available to Armstrong than Canadians for the same roster spot, I am sure he would have taken the American kid. Armstrong's problem was that the better American players were already committed to other schools. He built his program with the best players he could find, which happened to be Canadian.
 
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Should be an interesting series. With the way things are going Denver should be embarrassed by anything other than a sweep at home against Minnesota. Minnesota will likely sleepwalk in like they have all year and be proud of stealing a single point when the weekend concludes.

Should be rousing entertainment.

No Hoven kool-aid for you Scooby? I think I must have drank a little because I actually think we can win a game at Denver. :eek:

Of course that still doesn't mean too much in the grand scheme of things since they need to take 3 or 4pts every series the rest of the season to have a chance at the NCAA's, but stranger things have happened.
 
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