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College Football 2022: “Here’s a twenty, bury two.”

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MichVandal said:
If I were an NFL team, I would question putting a person who can't play for their teammates. I get this is a business, but it's also a game.
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A few years ago when players were first starting to opt out of bowl games, this was the exact question people asked concerning the NFL teams' reactions.

The NFL teams response was basically, "Who gives a f---?"
 
Russell Jaslow said:
A few years ago when players were first starting to opt out of bowl games, this was the exact question people asked concerning the NFL teams' reactions.

The NFL teams response was basically, "Who gives a f---?"
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It would be interesting to study those drafts. I'm not enough into football to look into it- but there are a lot of bad drafts out there.
 
Kepler said:
This is why the national championship was such a step backwards for college football.

Ten or so teams used to end the season joyful. Now one does, and rivalries and history and the bowl festivity has all been sacrified so ESPN can move a few more units.

Profit destroys everything it touches.
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Surely the schools are innocent here because they don't want to sully themselves with mountains of cash. ESPN/CBS/FOX are to blame for paying them to broadcast their games! :-P

(yes, everyone is to blame for the coming destruction of college football, and NCAA sports in general.)
 
MichVandal said:
For the 5-8 teams sure. The ones that had a realistic chance to go undefeated early in the season.

But not the rest. Of the B1G, it matters to Michigan and OSU, less to PSU and almost nothing to the rest. You can do that same thing to all P5 conferences. And the non-P5 they are for fun. Next year, expand that to 16 or so, which will generally match DIAA. Nothing personal, but do you really think that Western has a chance at the playoffs? They had as much as the Brady Hoke lead Michigans team did- so the early games don't mean anything in the end.

For teams like Maryland and Auburn, there was little chance that they would be part of the playoffs, so this bowl game means the same as the early season (or mid season for SEC teams) non-conference games.
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Everyone has someone sit out. Because these games don't matter. I don't know how else to explain this so I'm going to stop trying.

As for the WMU point, I don't expect to see WMU make the playoffs, or the New Year 6 Bowls again in my life. If I had my way, I'd destroy all the bowls and expand the playoffs to include all conference champions. Saves WMU money since we don't need to lose money playing in some crap bowl in Mississippi or Alabama if we go 6-6.
 
Bronco said:
Everyone has someone sit out. Because these games don't matter. I don't know how else to explain this so I'm going to stop trying.

As for the WMU point, I don't expect to see WMU make the playoffs, or the New Year 6 Bowls again in my life. If I had my way, I'd destroy all the bowls and expand the playoffs to include all conference champions. Saves WMU money since we don't need to lose money playing in some crap bowl in Mississippi or Alabama if we go 6-6.
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My point is that these games matter just as much as any other non conference game. Except that the schools (conferences) get paid. So if players are going to sit out, they might as well sit out the early season, too. They matter equally as low.
 
Bronco said:
Surely the schools are innocent here because they don't want to sully themselves with mountains of cash. ESPN/CBS/FOX are to blame for paying them to broadcast their games! :-P

(yes, everyone is to blame for the coming destruction of college football, and NCAA sports in general.)
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The irony of the situation is that the piles of cash and NIL might actually be improving college hockey. It was fascinating seeing a discussion about how the CHL is starting to suffer as a development league compared to NCAA hockey.
 
Jimjamesak said:
The irony of the situation is that the piles of cash and NIL might actually be improving college hockey. It was fascinating seeing a discussion about how the CHL is starting to suffer as a development league compared to NCAA hockey.
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I can't see how it would. I'm for the players collecting on NIL, but presumably it will make the factory schools even more dominant.
 
MichVandal said:
My point is that these games matter just as much as any other non conference game. Except that the schools (conferences) get paid. So if players are going to sit out, they might as well sit out the early season, too. They matter equally as low.
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Non-conference games prep you for the conference season. And until you lose your second game you're still in contention for the playoffs (unless you're FSU) or a NY6 spot for the G5. We could probably distill this argument down to saying that you might as well opt out if your team is out of playoff and conference title contention, but 99% of guys are going to treat the regular season as must play games.

Specifically for FSU, I would have liked to have seen them try to go out and beat Georgia. 14-0 might have gotten them a championship in one of the computer rankings, or maybe there'd be enough of a protest vote if Bama or Texas win to steal an AP championship. But I also can't blame them for going out the way they did. They're a P5, they went undefeated, and they got told it wasn't enough because their quarterback got hurt. If it wasn't for the money they might've just declined the game in the first place.

One thing I don't like that I've seen across multiple teams is the guys opting out still on the sideline in their jersey and sweats. Maybe the guys actually playing don't care and they're their supporting their teammates, but especially in the FSU game it is a terrible look to be there watching while your third string is getting beat by 60.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Non-conference games prep you for the conference season. And until you lose your second game you're still in contention for the playoffs (unless you're FSU) or a NY6 spot for the G5. We could probably distill this argument down to saying that you might as well opt out if your team is out of playoff and conference title contention, but 99% of guys are going to treat the regular season as must play games.
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But for almost all P5 teams, making the playoffs is not realistic. Possible and realistic are not the same thing. So the whole goal for almost all teams is to be over .500 and play in a bowl game.

It's pretty hard to see the goal of almost all teams in college football be treated as a scrimmage when played. PSU may have had a chance for the playoffs, but once they lost to OSU and Michigan, then the rest of the season was meaningless, based on what people are posting. It wasn't until their bowl game did they play as if it didn't mean anything.

The only team that had a real gripe at having to play a non-playoff game at this point was FSU- as it's a realistic possibility for everyone. But they made a mockery of both their season and how upset they were as a "team".

If they were not going to expand the playoffs for next year, they should have at least eliminated the "New Year's Day" game BS, since so many of the players who were in those games were upset to not make the playoffs- it really diminishes the teams and players who are actually happy to play in a bowl game.

At least ESPN/Disney (and their gambling arm) as well as the advertisers need to figure out how to not make a mockery of this, or they are going to lose even more eyes. Which is something ESPN/Disney have been struggling with for years.
 
MichVandal said:
At least ESPN/Disney (and their gambling arm) as well as the advertisers need to figure out how to not make a mockery of this, or they are going to lose even more eyes. Which is something ESPN/Disney have been struggling with for years.
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Well, with all NY6 bowls going to playoff games next year, that solves the issue for the biggest bowls. Though I feel like attendance will dip. I'm not sure the money is there for fanbases to go to a quarterfinal bowl and then a semifinal bowl. I also haven't heard if the Rose Bowl budged on their Jan 1st date or not. They might be permanently locked into a quarterfinal if that's the case.

The other bowls I'm not too sure if opt outs will really affect those. Will anyone care if the Fenway Bowl has a lot of opt outs? Are those teams even going to deal with a lot of opt outs?

During the Orange Bowl they had an interesting look at the bracket for next year. They used this year's results with next year's conferences. Obviously that would change the schedules and so a team like Washington or Michigan may not go undefeated if they are also playing Oregon, but it did highlight the discrepancy in having the top four be fixed to the conference champs, especially with no divisions and larger conferences meaning you could technically have two undefeated teams after the conference championships are played. It also assumed that they will move to the 5 champ + 7 at large format now with the Pac 12 collapsing versus the 6+6 currently set to take place.

First round would be: #ranking, (seed)
#23 Liberty, CUSA champ (12) at #2 Washington (5)
#10 Penn State (11) at #4 Alabama (6)
#9 Missouri (10) at #6 Georgia (7)
#8 Oregon (9) at #7 Ohio State (8)

Quarterfinals:
Rose Bowl: UO/OSU vs #1 Michigan, B1G champ (1)
Sugar Bowl: Mizzou/UGA vs #3 Texas, SEC champ (2)
Peach Bowl: PSU/Bama vs #5 Florida State, ACC champ (3)
Fiesta Bowl: LU/UW vs #14 Arizona, Big XII champ (4)

I would guess the committee would fiddle around with the rankings to avoid two intra-conference matchups in the first round as well as a guaranteed intra-conference matchup in the Quarters. Though a possible OSU-Michigan match-up in the Rose Bowl is probably a network and advertiser's greatest dream.
 
MichVandal said:
My point is that these games matter just as much as any other non conference game. Except that the schools (conferences) get paid. So if players are going to sit out, they might as well sit out the early season, too. They matter equally as low.
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I wonder how many of the players look back on the Jake Butt situation
 
The entire upper deck is empty in the Citrius Bowl...

I understand why Conservatives sometimes latch onto "How things used to be" a little more now, ha ha ha...
 
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