College Football 2022: “Here’s a twenty, bury two.”

[SJHovey]

Watching the bowl games (as I have nothing better to do), add the old "save myself for the draft to NIL and the transfer portal- what's the point of these bowl games? I was under the impression that it was a reward to the players for a positive season. Every single game so far has had the non-players be a huge part of the game- some really good for the new player (see USC, and question if their original QB is as good as everyone thinks), but most really reduce the quality of play.

The bowl games are already a massive burden on schools- as most lose a ton of money going. It's apparently a burden to the players, too- instead of a reward.

This is where the B1G's revenue sharing helps a ton- as you can at least break even thanks to the big bowl games Michigan, OSU, and PSU get. Does Miami get a share of FSU's game? Or even Vanderbilt get any of Bama's game?

It's the first step. I expect ten years from now it'll be the norm that players on teams that have been effectively eliminated from the playoffs, will stop playing in October or November, especially if their draft stock is purportedly set. It's really no different than bailing on bowl games.

 

[MichVandal]

Every conference has revenue sharing. And I’m pretty sure almost all of them do equal revenue sharing for postseason money. The only one I know that doesn’t is the WCC in basketball, and that’s because they wanted to stop Gonzaga from moving conferences.

For media revenue the only conference I know that doesn’t/didn’t do equal sharing was the Big 12 (WCC might be the same here as well) because Texas wanted a larger share so they settled on each team negotiating their third tier rights which is how Texas has the Longhorn Network until the end of this year.

But it's not exactly even. According to this- https://businessofcollegesports.com...eives $6 million,they are not semifinal sites) there are bonuses given in some conferences. B1G, P12 and ACC do not, but Big 12 and SEC do.

Each participating conference gets $6M/team, but the SEC gives ~$2M bonus to that team over all the rest, and the B12 gives even more to the participant. So Bama and Texas will get get more money than the rest of the conference, whereas Michigan and Washington get the same as everyone else. And +$2M to one school vs the rest getting the distribution of the remainder....

Interestingly enough, the ACC lost $2M for FSU's snub. And since that's distributed to all, all teams should be really mad.

It was also noted in the article that conference distributions may not be even. In the past, I remember Texas was getting considerably more from the B12 than everyone else, even when they sucked.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

But it's not exactly even. According to this- https://businessofcollegesports.com...eives $6 million,they are not semifinal sites) there are bonuses given in some conferences. B1G, P12 and ACC do not, but Big 12 and SEC do.

Each participating conference gets $6M/team, but the SEC gives ~$2M bonus to that team over all the rest, and the B12 gives even more to the participant. So Bama and Texas will get get more money than the rest of the conference, whereas Michigan and Washington get the same as everyone else. And +$2M to one school vs the rest getting the distribution of the remainder....

Interestingly enough, the ACC lost $2M for FSU's snub. And since that's distributed to all, all teams should be really mad.

It was also noted in the article that conference distributions may not be even. In the past, I remember Texas was getting considerably more from the B12 than everyone else, even when they sucked.

The SEC surprises me. Granted it was just the Alabama show for a good 5-7 years, but there's no real incentive to give those teams a bonus. There isn't any threat of those schools jumping ship to a different conference.

I can't believe the Bahamas Bowl payout is that low. That's gotta be the biggest hassle for logistics with international travel. On the other side I never would have guessed the Citrus and Alamo bowls were paying over 8 million.

 

[MichVandal]

So going back to the NIL talk, and the note that players are making more money in college than the NFL- they are reporting that players are really choosing between the transfer portal and NIL deals and the NFL. Which is pretty funny for the NFL- their rookie rate is lower than the mid-high NIL deals for college (the players being discussed are not the top ones).

This is going to make the Orange bowl today really suck- 23(!) FSU players are not playing between the portal and going pro.

And I'm not going to fault their want of money- if you had the chance to transfer to a bigger school- get paid to do it, and know that it would add $10-20k to your starting salary- you would do that without thinking (I took a 1.5 year delay to go to grand school where I got paid to teach). Sports are as much a business to the players as it should be for us- it's a means to an end.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Anyone not playing should immediately have any of their state-derived benefits cut. If grad students go on strike, they get all of this cut almost immediately as we've seen in the last several years.

 

[MichVandal]

Anyone not playing should immediately have any of their state-derived benefits cut. If grad students go on strike, they get all of this cut almost immediately as we've seen in the last several years.

At the same time, some of the players can play like they are afraid of being hurt. See OSU last night- they were pretty bad. And PSU just laid an egg vs MissSt. Whereas Maryland is playing quite well against Auburn.

If I were an NFL team, I would question putting a person who can't play for their teammates. I get this is a business, but it's also a game.

 

[Bronco]

Anyone not playing should immediately have any of their state-derived benefits cut. If grad students go on strike, they get all of this cut almost immediately as we've seen in the last several years.

College athletes can't go on strike. They aren't employees of the University. At least not yet...

 

[Bronco]

At the same time, some of the players can play like they are afraid of being hurt. See OSU last night- they were pretty bad. And PSU just laid an egg vs MissSt. Whereas Maryland is playing quite well against Auburn.

If I were an NFL team, I would question putting a person who can't play for their teammates. I get this is a business, but it's also a game.

Bowl games are glorified scrimmages. I wouldn't take any result of a non-playoff bowl seriously. It is clearly in the best interest of the players to not play these games.

 

[MichVandal]

Bowl games are glorified scrimmages. I wouldn't take any result of a non-playoff bowl seriously. It is clearly in the best interest of the players to not play these games.

How is it different than any other non-conference game? Only a handful of schools are actually competing for a championship anyway, so all of the rest are playing meaningless games, especially out of conference.

Other than maybe homecoming, the ONLY meaningful game is against your rival.

 

[Bronco]

How is it different than any other non-conference game? Only a handful of schools are actually competing for a championship anyway, so all of the rest are playing meaningless games, especially out of conference.

Other than maybe homecoming, the ONLY meaningful game is against your rival.

Those other non-conference games play a part in determining your playoff seeding. Yes if you want to look at it knowing the result at the end of the season they could be considered meaningless, but during the season those games have some weight. The bowls at the end of the season are only there so we fans and alums can feel good about our disappointing season. They are full of interm coaching staffs and players that are rightfully protecting their future playing careers. The last WMU bowl game was basically a spring game. Our QB was going into the draft so we played our backups to see what we have next season. Our opponent's coaching staff went to a bigger conference, and their pro-caliber QB sat. Spring ball in December.

 

[walrus]

Florida state must be playing scrubs in their scrimmage

 

[MichVandal]

Those other non-conference games play a part in determining your playoff seeding. Yes if you want to look at it knowing the result at the end of the season they could be considered meaningless, but during the season those games have some weight. The bowls at the end of the season are only there so we fans and alums can feel good about our disappointing season. They are full of interm coaching staffs and players that are rightfully protecting their future playing careers. The last WMU bowl game was basically a spring game. Our QB was going into the draft so we played our backups to see what we have next season. Our opponent's coaching staff went to a bigger conference, and their pro-caliber QB sat. Spring ball in December.

That matters to just a handful of teams. The gross majority of teams, the playoff seeding is meaningless.

 

[bronconick]

Florida state must be playing scrubs in their scrimmage

 

[Bronco]

That matters to just a handful of teams. The gross majority of teams, the playoff seeding is meaningless.

Regular season non-conference games matter since they are used to calculate if a team is worthy to get into the playoffs or not. These non-playoff bowl games don't change anything other than vibes and feels.

 

[MichVandal]

Regular season non-conference games matter since they are used to calculate if a team is worthy to get into the playoffs or not. These non-playoff bowl games don't change anything other than vibes and feels.

For the 5-8 teams sure. The ones that had a realistic chance to go undefeated early in the season.

But not the rest. Of the B1G, it matters to Michigan and OSU, less to PSU and almost nothing to the rest. You can do that same thing to all P5 conferences. And the non-P5 they are for fun. Next year, expand that to 16 or so, which will generally match DIAA. Nothing personal, but do you really think that Western has a chance at the playoffs? They had as much as the Brady Hoke lead Michigans team did- so the early games don't mean anything in the end.

For teams like Maryland and Auburn, there was little chance that they would be part of the playoffs, so this bowl game means the same as the early season (or mid season for SEC teams) non-conference games.

 

[MichVandal]

This Orange Bowl game is going to really undo a lot of possibilities. Would a conference want a team that so easily turns off for a game like this? Pretty embarrassing for both FSU and the ACC.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Just checked score. Woof, worse than I thought

 

[bronconick]

This Orange Bowl game is going to really undo a lot of possibilities. Would a conference want a team that so easily turns off for a game like this? Pretty embarrassing for both FSU and the ACC.

Not really. No one gives a rats ass about non-playoff bowl games. 27 players (13 starters) opting out is kind of a clue. The school literally showed up to get a check or they may have quit like UNC basketball in the NIT last March.

 

[Kepler]

Not really. No one gives a rats *** about non-playoff bowl games. 27 players (13 starters) opting out is kind of a clue. The school literally showed up to get a check or they may have quit like UNC basketball in the NIT last March.

This is why the national championship was such a step backwards for college football.

Ten or so teams used to end the season joyful. Now one does, and rivalries and history and the bowl festivity has all been sacrified so ESPN can move a few more units.

Profit destroys everything it touches.

 

[MichVandal]

Not really. No one gives a rats *** about non-playoff bowl games. 27 players (13 starters) opting out is kind of a clue. The school literally showed up to get a check or they may have quit like UNC basketball in the NIT last March.

At some point, the advertisers that are paying each team $4M are going to care. That game was a total waste of time.