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College Football 2022: “Here’s a twenty, bury two.”

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dxmnkd316 said:
Ok. Do it.
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Because players are more childish? Seriously? The stadium has been around for around 100 years, and it's just now that the big boys are acting like republicans when losing.

This isn't a stadium problem, it's a person problem.

When Michigan lost in this series many times over the last decade, they didn't start a fight- no matter what stadium it was in, or how controversial the loss was. But when MSU gets beat down and feels like they should assault Michigan players, then suddenly it's a problem with the stadium???

No, it's a person problem.

edit- I'm willing to bet that you would not blame a woman for dressing really nice and getting raped. But now, you blame the circumstance for an attitude problem.
 
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MichVandal said:
Because players are more childish? Seriously? The stadium has been around for around 100 years, and it's just now that the big boys are acting like republicans when losing.

This isn't a stadium problem, it's a person problem.

When Michigan lost in this series many times over the last decade, they didn't start a fight- no matter what stadium it was in, or how controversial the loss was. But when MSU gets beat down and feels like they should assault Michigan players, then suddenly it's a problem with the stadium???

No, it's a person problem.

edit- I'm willing to bet that you would not blame a woman for dressing really nice and getting raped. But now, you blame the circumstance for an attitude problem.
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What you all say may be true, but the consequence for women not being believed or outright accused when sexually assaulted and/or raped is far greater an impact on society than Michigan fans being upset their stadium’s tradition is being altered with another tunnel. If it only took $50 million, or whatever the fuck it’d cost to build a new tunnel, to solve society’s harmful stereotypes about sexual assault and rape, you’d do it in a heartbeat. Obviously, there is no simple solution to that problem. But there is one for what happened Saturday. You have a $17 billion endowment, not to mention boosters who would pay for anything under the sun for Michigan football. Work on fixing the people problem at the root of both situations, sure, but in the meantime, provide the alternative that significantly helps in the football situation by building the tunnel and call it the “Fuck State” tunnel.
 
psych said:
What you all say may be true, but the consequence for women not being believed or outright accused when sexually assaulted and/or raped is far greater an impact on society than Michigan fans being upset their stadium’s tradition is being altered with another tunnel. If it only took $50 million, or whatever the fuck it’d cost to build a new tunnel, to solve society’s harmful stereotypes about sexual assault and rape, you’d do it in a heartbeat. Obviously, there is no simple solution to that problem. But there is one for what happened Saturday. You have a $17 billion endowment, not to mention boosters who would pay for anything under the sun for Michigan football. Work on fixing the people problem at the root of both situations, sure, but in the meantime, provide the alternative that significantly helps in the football situation by building the tunnel and call it the “Fuck State” tunnel.
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So victim blaming is the correct call here. Got it.

You do realize, there were a lot of small fights ON THE FIELD that happened, too. Which a second tunnel would not fix at all. And during that Harbaugh was trying to break things up, Tucker was trying to just get off the field w/o stopping his players. Or did everyone miss that?

A visitors tunnel would put lipstick on a pig.

What you are suggesting is that it's ok for someone to resort to violence because they think their feelings are hurt, and that instead of getting attitudes changed, we should just accept that and try to prevent the circumstance. On a societal basis, I'm not sure I really see the difference between that and blaming a rape victim. Violence where the victim gets blamed....

This was simple horrible sportsmanship, not a tunnel problem.
 
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What you all say may be true, but the consequence for women not being believed or outright accused when sexually assaulted and/or raped is far greater an impact on society than Michigan fans being upset their stadium’s tradition is being altered with another tunnel. If it only took $50 million, or whatever the fuck it’d cost to build a new tunnel, to solve society’s harmful stereotypes about sexual assault and rape, you’d do it in a heartbeat. Obviously, there is no simple solution to that problem. But there is one for what happened Saturday. You have a $17 billion endowment, not to mention boosters who would pay for anything under the sun for Michigan football. Work on fixing the people problem at the root of both situations, sure, but in the meantime, provide the alternative that significantly helps in the football situation by building the tunnel and call it the “Fuck State” tunnel.
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Not to mention, Minnesota has gone to this for at least football and hockey well after the stadiums were built. TCF had a new entrance for the visitors a few years after it was built. Moved it, I believe, from the student section end zone down to the far end of the field. Mariucci moved it from behind the visitor's bench to the far end of the ice.
 
Ok, you can blame the stadium and Michigan for MSU players assaulting Michigan players. Your bandaid won't fix the core problem- just cover it up until it happens on the field in a big brawl. Just like escorting your women friends to their cars when it's dark outside just hides the core problem with society.

In other news, Auburn has fired it's head coach.
 
MichVandal said:
Ok, you can blame the stadium and Michigan for MSU players assaulting Michigan players. Your bandaid won't fix the core problem- just cover it up until it happens on the field in a big brawl. Just like escorting your women friends to their cars when it's dark outside just hides the core problem with society.

In other news, Auburn has fired it's head coach.
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Altering the stadium will absolutely fix the problem. There are two solutions:

1. Fix the stadium
2. Make sure all 200+ players are accounted for and separated 24 times a year (8 games x 3 interactions (entrance, halftime, end of game))

#1 makes sure there are fewer interactions between the players. THere's literally zero reason to do this given Michigan's endowment and booster situation.

This isn't blaming michigan for the fight. It's blaming them for a problem that is clearly not limited to games against Michigan STate. There ahve been issues several times this year.

The Michigan State players should be dismissed from the team. Michigan should be told to fix their stadium to limit the possibility of this happening in the future.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Altering the stadium will absolutely fix the problem. There are two solutions:

1. Fix the stadium
2. Make sure all 200+ players are accounted for and separated 24 times a year (8 games x 3 interactions (entrance, halftime, end of game))

#1 makes sure there are fewer interactions between the players. THere's literally zero reason to do this given Michigan's endowment and booster situation.

This isn't blaming michigan for the fight. It's blaming them for a problem that is clearly not limited to games against Michigan STate. There ahve been issues several times this year.

The Michigan State players should be dismissed from the team. Michigan should be told to fix their stadium to limit the possibility of this happening in the future.
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You are kidding, right? You really think that having a separate entrance will avoid a serious fight? That's a band-aid on wet skin- it will work for a little while, until there's a pre-game or post-game brawl on the field- which has happened in other colleges. The teams come out onto the field to shake hands- which is an easy way to hit someone. The players interact the entire game, for crying out loud. "Fewer interactions" does not fix the problem- it just moves it to someplace else.

here are some examples of my point- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJ7fUcSIlU&ab_channel=BuzzerBeater Note that none of them happened in the tunnel. Zero. Nada. Oh, you want post game ones- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhCtnCO2UA&ab_channel=JomboyMedia= ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oOsuwRmYGk&ab_channel=KTO. And some more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZu6-zbQ_4&ab_channel=RSHighlights Of ALL of those, it looks like only one was related to getting on or off the field.

The only actual, effective, way to separate the schools is to not schedule them.

They can make some crappy entrance that goes under the stadium, which will move the visiting band- fine. Big deal. If the head coach does nothing when his team is in the middle of pushing and shoving on the field, the separate entrance changes nothing.

Fix the attitude, then the problem actually goes away. Again, when Michigan lost (and got mocked) they didn't start any fights. But since OSU, PSU, and now MSU can't control themselves, Michigan needs to be the one to fix THEIR problem. Ok, we can continue to support the rest of the conference and their crappy attitude.
 
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MichVandal said:
Fix the attitude, then the problem actually goes away.
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I like your thinking!

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So, let me ask you this: What should be done instead? Anything? If it’s a people problem, how quickly can that be solved? To me, the cost of a new tunnel for a ridiculously wealthy university to cut down on instances like the one on Saturday by even, say, 10%, would be well worth the cost. Money easily replaced faster than Elon Musk can destroy Twitter.
I don’t understand in any way, shape, or form, how agreeing that the Michigan State players involved should be seriously punished for their actions (rapist) while advocating for a potential solution (add tunnel) to cut down on fights (rapes) by even a small amount is passed off as victim-blaming.
 
I can't believe you folks haven't settled on the obvious, simple, elegant, free solution.

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30 seconds at the two minute warning.
 
psych said:
So, let me ask you this: What should be done instead? Anything? If it’s a people problem, how quickly can that be solved? To me, the cost of a new tunnel for a ridiculously wealthy university to cut down on instances like the one on Saturday by even, say, 10%, would be well worth the cost. Money easily replaced faster than Elon Musk can destroy Twitter.
I don’t understand in any way, shape, or form, how agreeing that the Michigan State players involved should be seriously punished for their actions (rapist) while advocating for a potential solution (add tunnel) to cut down on fights (rapes) by even a small amount is passed off as victim-blaming.
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Because you are spending more time on the tunnel than the players and coaches. You seem to think making girls not wear bikinis (putting in an extra tunnel) actually fixes something when all it does is move it.

Players SHOULD be able to walk together after a game and not have to worry about being assaulted. The apparent wealth of a university has nothing to do with that.

Again, there have been plenty of fights and brawls that have nothing to do with the tunnel- so that fixes exactly nothing. Fix the problem. Go watch the videos, and tell me how a added tunnel would help all of those fights and confrontations.

First, coaches need to tone this BS down a lot. That goes for both of them. Second, all the players who were involved need to be suspended, and the ones prosecuted need to be removed from their schools. We had a decade of Woody v Bo, and while there were some touchy moments, the fact that the two of them remained life long friends meant something- and has set the tone for that rivalry. We Bo died, Columbus weeped, too. Right now, it sure seems that Tucker is taking this game way to seriously, as did Harbaugh at the beginning of the OSU games he coached.

Again, seeing how Harbaugh was dealing with the post game stuff vs. Tucker- yea. One worked to get is players off and back away, the other just wanted to get away.

If you want a tunnel so badly, you can come up with the money, too.
 
What's the overall objection to adding a 2nd tunnel besides cost, which UMi can clearly afford?

I get that perhaps it doesn't solve the overall problem per se but why not? It would even without players acting like dicks to be a logistical improvement.

BTW the concept isn't an indictment on the university.
 
MichVandal said:
Because you are spending more time on the tunnel than the players and coaches. You seem to think making girls not wear bikinis (putting in an extra tunnel) actually fixes something when all it does is move it.

Players SHOULD be able to walk together after a game and not have to worry about being assaulted. The apparent wealth of a university has nothing to do with that.

Again, there have been plenty of fights and brawls that have nothing to do with the tunnel- so that fixes exactly nothing. Fix the problem. Go watch the videos, and tell me how a added tunnel would help all of those fights and confrontations.

First, coaches need to tone this BS down a lot. That goes for both of them. Second, all the players who were involved need to be suspended, and the ones prosecuted need to be removed from their schools. We had a decade of Woody v Bo, and while there were some touchy moments, the fact that the two of them remained life long friends meant something- and has set the tone for that rivalry. We Bo died, Columbus weeped, too. Right now, it sure seems that Tucker is taking this game way to seriously, as did Harbaugh at the beginning of the OSU games he coached.

Again, seeing how Harbaugh was dealing with the post game stuff vs. Tucker- yea. One worked to get is players off and back away, the other just wanted to get away.

If you want a tunnel so badly, you can come up with the money, too.
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And after winning a jackpot at the casino I should be able to walk to my car without being robbed. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be an idiot of the highest degree if I'm flashing the cash at everyone the entire walk out.

Saying the "tunnel fixes nothing" is horse hockey. It may not fix everything, but there's a reason every modern arena and stadium has separate entrances for opposing teams/boxers/ contestants/whatever, and usually a 3rd one for officials.
 
Auburn fires Bryan Harsin. He's owed $15.5 mil in buyout money. When they fired Gus Malzahn 2 years ago they owed him $21.7 mil in buyout $$$.
 
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