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College Football 2022: “Here’s a twenty, bury two.”

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MichVandal said:
Now that Bama says behind Clemson, they are doing their best. Georgia win over TN is big enough to really eliminate them. For the most part, I can't see how the SEC could possibly get 2 teams in.
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I think Clemson's best shot is something along the lines of:
- Clemson wins out, including the ACC title game.
- Ohio State wins out, including a thorough beat down of the Wolverines and a B1G title.
- Georgia wins out, including the SEC title game.
- TCU loses at least once.
- Oregon loses at least once more.

In that scenario, I think Clemson has a decent chance to sneak in. But that is a lot to ask for.
 
I don't use "we" ever but in CFB my teams are:

1. Minnesota
2a/2b Arkansas/LSU

Yes I know the latter are a bizarre combo given they are rivals. My dad's sister moved to Baton Rouge after marrying a Naval officer when she was living in San Diego, and my maternal grandparents retired in Fayetteville after leaving the Panama Canal Zone.

Nearly every Thanksgiving for decades we would travel to one or the other and when you're a kid it's easy to be impressed upon. My LA cousins were huge Tiger fans and my grandparents had UA season tickets, donated to the school at the request of Sam Walton (another story) and we met Lou Holtz who had one of his assistants give us a tour of their facilities.

Once the annual Boot game began (LSU vs. ARK the Friday after Thanksgiving for years) we would set our visit to coincide with whichever state it was played in that year and we went to about a dozen of them. I still have some LSU and ARK gear to this day, although I'm not super active in paying attention to them as I am with the Gophers.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I think Clemson's best shot is something along the lines of:
- Clemson wins out, including the ACC title game.
- Ohio State wins out, including a thorough beat down of the Wolverines and a B1G title.
- Georgia wins out, including the SEC title game.
- TCU loses at least once.
- Oregon loses at least once more.

In that scenario, I think Clemson has a decent chance to sneak in. But that is a lot to ask for.
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The one thing I can see hanging over Clemson is the comparison with Tennessee. Both teams lost by not close games, TN by the other top ranked team, Clemson by unranked ND. So I would think you would also need TN to lose another game to avoid that comparison. Good that ND is still a non real member of the ACC, though.
 
MichVandal said:
The one thing I can see hanging over Clemson is the comparison with Tennessee. Both teams lost by not close games, TN by the other top ranked team, Clemson by unranked ND. So I would think you would also need TN to lose another game to avoid that comparison. Good that ND is still a non real member of the ACC, though.
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FWIW, in the scenario I posted, I think Tennessee (assuming they win out, which they easily should) would be in at #3 (with Georgia at #1 and Ohio State at #2).

I think the battle for #4 would come down to:

- Clemson
- TCU (assuming no more than 1 loss, and winning Big 12)
- Michigan (assuming only the 1 loss to Ohio State)

I think Michigan would probably get nixed first by failing to win their conference. Then it would come down to Clemson v. TCU. My thoughts on this comparison:

Best Non-Conference Win(s): Clemson (USC) vs. TCU (SMU) - Advantage Clemson
Best Conference Win(s): Clemson (Wake Forest, NC State, Florida State, Syracuse, + ACC Championship Game) vs TCU (Kansas State, OK State, Kansas, + Texas and/or Baylor and Big 12 Championship Game) - Push
"Best" Loss: Clemson (@ Notre Dame) vs. TCU (one of: @ Texas, @ Baylor, or vs. Iowa State) - Depends on who TCU loses to, but likely Advantage TCU

It would be really close, and I think it would come down to the "eye test." If Clemson blows the doors off their remaining opponents, the loss to Notre Dame may be seen as a weird one-off game. If TCU keeps playing close games, loses one and wins the others...I think Clemson gets the nod at #4. Conversely, if Clemson keeps struggling as they have the last two game, and barely edges out wins down the stretch, I think TCU probably gets in at #4.
 
Oregon's an interesting case. They could easily win the Pac-12 and go 12-1, with their only loss to another playoff team, in week 1. By itself, that looks like a decent resume assuming there aren't too many undefeated teams. Except it was a 49-3 loss, and if you lose that badly to another playoff team, are you really a playoff team? (I mean, they keep letting B1G and Big 12 teams in and they lose by that amount in the semifinals, but I digress.)
 
French Rage said:
Oregon's an interesting case. They could easily win the Pac-12 and go 12-1, with their only loss to another playoff team, in week 1. By itself, that looks like a decent resume assuming there aren't too many undefeated teams. Except it was a 49-3 loss, and if you lose that badly to another playoff team, are you really a playoff team? (I mean, they keep letting B1G and Big 12 teams in and they lose by that amount in the semifinals, but I digress.)
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I think Oregon has a very good chance if they win out. Presuming Georgia and one of Ohio State/Michigan win out, they take the first two spots. If TCU wins out, I can't see them leaving out an undefeated Power 5 champion. So, that would leave Oregon, Tennessee, and the Ohio State/Michigan loser vying for the #4 slot. Only one would be a conference champion (Oregon), which probably gives them the edge. They all would have similar losses (and in Oregon and Tennessee's case, the same opponent). Tennessee has the more high-profile wins. I think the Ohio State/Michigan loser would come in at #6, and then Oregon/Tennessee for 4/5 slots. Does Tennessee's arguably better wins overcome Oregon's conference title? It would be very close.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I think Oregon has a very good chance if they win out. Presuming Georgia and one of Ohio State/Michigan win out, they take the first two spots. If TCU wins out, I can't see them leaving out an undefeated Power 5 champion. So, that would leave Oregon, Tennessee, and the Ohio State/Michigan loser vying for the #4 slot. Only one would be a conference champion (Oregon), which probably gives them the edge. They all would have similar losses (and in Oregon and Tennessee's case, the same opponent). Tennessee has the more high-profile wins. I think the Ohio State/Michigan loser would come in at #6, and then Oregon/Tennessee for 4/5 slots. Does Tennessee's arguably better wins overcome Oregon's conference title? It would be very close.
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If only there was a numberic way to determine playoffs instead of just feelings... (btw I think it is Oregon, since championships matter)
 
Slap Shot said:
I don't use "we" ever but in CFB my teams are:

1. Minnesota
2a/2b Arkansas/LSU

Yes I know the latter are a bizarre combo given they are rivals. My dad's sister moved to Baton Rouge after marrying a Naval officer when she was living in San Diego, and my maternal grandparents retired in Fayetteville after leaving the Panama Canal Zone.

Nearly every Thanksgiving for decades we would travel to one or the other and when you're a kid it's easy to be impressed upon. My LA cousins were huge Tiger fans and my grandparents had UA season tickets, donated to the school at the request of Sam Walton (another story) and we met Lou Holtz who had one of his assistants give us a tour of their facilities.

Once the annual Boot game began (LSU vs. ARK the Friday after Thanksgiving for years) we would set our visit to coincide with whichever state it was played in that year and we went to about a dozen of them. I still have some LSU and ARK gear to this day, although I'm not super active in paying attention to them as I am with the Gophers.
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Liberty. LIBERTY!! How in the name of Frank Broyles did they lose at home to Liberty?

boo pig
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
FWIW, in the scenario I posted, I think Tennessee (assuming they win out, which they easily should) would be in at #3 (with Georgia at #1 and Ohio State at #2).

I think the battle for #4 would come down to:

- Clemson
- TCU (assuming no more than 1 loss, and winning Big 12)
- Michigan (assuming only the 1 loss to Ohio State)

I think Michigan would probably get nixed first by failing to win their conference. Then it would come down to Clemson v. TCU. My thoughts on this comparison:

Best Non-Conference Win(s): Clemson (USC) vs. TCU (SMU) - Advantage Clemson
Best Conference Win(s): Clemson (Wake Forest, NC State, Florida State, Syracuse, + ACC Championship Game) vs TCU (Kansas State, OK State, Kansas, + Texas and/or Baylor and Big 12 Championship Game) - Push
"Best" Loss: Clemson (@ Notre Dame) vs. TCU (one of: @ Texas, @ Baylor, or vs. Iowa State) - Depends on who TCU loses to, but likely Advantage TCU

It would be really close, and I think it would come down to the "eye test." If Clemson blows the doors off their remaining opponents, the loss to Notre Dame may be seen as a weird one-off game. If TCU keeps playing close games, loses one and wins the others...I think Clemson gets the nod at #4. Conversely, if Clemson keeps struggling as they have the last two game, and barely edges out wins down the stretch, I think TCU probably gets in at #4.
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If TN gets in at #3 when they get blown out by their own division champ... yea.. Then there's no real excuse to not let both OSU and Michigan in regardless of the outcome of the game. I'm personally tired of teams that can't win their division even getting a chance at the playoffs- and I've said it before that the loser of the OSU-Michigan game should be out (although I have not said a lot that I really don't see Michigan winning that game).

I know the theory is to have the 4 best teams, but there should at least be a solid measure of full accomplishment of the season and being in a conference.

So if Oregon wins out, they should automatically be over TN and OSU/MI (whoever it is). And if Clemson does win it out, I would think they should be in before TN, too- but my point is that there will certainly be an eye test between Clemson and TN given who they lost to.

If TCU wins out, that's an easy in, and I really think if Oregon wins out, they should get the 4th spot, too.

So assuming UGA wins out, and the others win out for their conference- my hope would be UGA, TCU, Oregon, and OSU/UM.

Then again, doing this stupid playoff thin now is well, stupid, now. Better than last week, but it should not be 4 teams, it should be 3 teams plus OSU/UM at this point- as we know 100% one of those two teams will lose a game. But that would avoid talking head stuff to watch on all of the sports channels. Rankings don't matter until December- as we saw that they intentionally avoided the first round UGA/Bama last year- and I expect they will massage the outcome for TV coverage. So just choose 3 plus the UM/OSU as the 4th.
 
MichVandal said:
If TN gets in at #3 when they get blown out by their own division champ... yea.. Then there's no real excuse to not let both OSU and Michigan in regardless of the outcome of the game. I'm personally tired of teams that can't win their division even getting a chance at the playoffs- and I've said it before that the loser of the OSU-Michigan game should be out (although I have not said a lot that I really don't see Michigan winning that game).

I know the theory is to have the 4 best teams, but there should at least be a solid measure of full accomplishment of the season and being in a conference.

So if Oregon wins out, they should automatically be over TN and OSU/MI (whoever it is). And if Clemson does win it out, I would think they should be in before TN, too- but my point is that there will certainly be an eye test between Clemson and TN given who they lost to.

If TCU wins out, that's an easy in, and I really think if Oregon wins out, they should get the 4th spot, too.

So assuming UGA wins out, and the others win out for their conference- my hope would be UGA, TCU, Oregon, and OSU/UM.

Then again, doing this stupid playoff thin now is well, stupid, now. Better than last week, but it should not be 4 teams, it should be 3 teams plus OSU/UM at this point- as we know 100% one of those two teams will lose a game. But that would avoid talking head stuff to watch on all of the sports channels. Rankings don't matter until December- as we saw that they intentionally avoided the first round UGA/Bama last year- and I expect they will massage the outcome for TV coverage. So just choose 3 plus the UM/OSU as the 4th.
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It could very well come down to Tennessee and the loser of the Ohio State / Michigan game. If that loser is Michigan, I don't see how anyone could logically put Michigan ahead of Tennessee. The Wolverines have one decent win: Pedo State. Tennessee has beaten Alabama, and absolutely trounced LSU in fake Death Valley. Ohio State has a slightly stronger resume. In addition to beating Pedo State, they also have a victory over Notre Dame. However, I would have Tennessee ahead of whoever loses the Ohio State / Michigan game.

If Georgia, OSU/UM winner, Oregon, and TCU win out, then yes, it is easy. Those four go. The trick is if one (or more) of those four trip up on the way in (particularly if they trip up in their conference title game). Then it starts to open the door for a 1-loss Clemson to sneak in.

And of course, it is a silly exercise to run Playoff scenarios now when there is still a month left in the season. But...what else are we going to do? I already voted. : p
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
It could very well come down to Tennessee and the loser of the Ohio State / Michigan game. If that loser is Michigan, I don't see how anyone could logically put Michigan ahead of Tennessee. The Wolverines have one decent win: Pedo State. Tennessee has beaten Alabama, and absolutely trounced LSU in fake Death Valley. Ohio State has a slightly stronger resume. In addition to beating Pedo State, they also have a victory over Notre Dame. However, I would have Tennessee ahead of whoever loses the Ohio State / Michigan game.

If Georgia, OSU/UM winner, Oregon, and TCU win out, then yes, it is easy. Those four go. The trick is if one (or more) of those four trip up on the way in (particularly if they trip up in their conference title game). Then it starts to open the door for a 1-loss Clemson to sneak in.

And of course, it is a silly exercise to run Playoff scenarios now when there is still a month left in the season. But...what else are we going to do? I already voted. : p
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Like I have said, whoever loses the B1G east should not be in the playoffs. I don't care which team it is. But at the same time, if Tennessee can't win their division, they should not be considered, either. It's really hard to win a conference- give it some reward.
 
MichVandal said:
Like I have said, whoever loses the B1G east should not be in the playoffs. I don't care which team it is. But at the same time, if Tennessee can't win their division, they should not be considered, either. It's really hard to win a conference- give it some reward.
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I don't disagree with your line of thinking. However, I believe the Committee would certainly consider Tennessee. See, e.g., 2016 Ohio State & 2017 Alabama.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I don't disagree with your line of thinking. However, I believe the Committee would certainly consider Tennessee. See, e.g., 2016 Ohio State & 2017 Alabama.
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I think they should stop doing that. Make winning a championship mean something, or just as important- losing one means something.
 
MichVandal said:
I think they should stop doing that. Make winning a championship mean something, or just as important- losing one means something.
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I think that's fair. One way the Committee could distinguish Tennessee this year from 2016 Ohio State and 2017 Alabama would be to consider that both 2016 Ohio State and 2017 Alabama were co-champions of their respective conference's divisions and lost out on making their conference title game on a tiebreaker. Assuming Georgia wins out, Tennessee would not be even a co-champion of the SEC East. I don't think they would do that, but one could make a logical argument along those lines.
 
Game of the day, or at least half of the season- UO v UW. The 3rd quarter was epic, with 5 total TD's. And then the 4th opened with a turnover at the one. Which was then very, very, very slowly driven down the field- for a FG. Now, with ~3 min left, a TD to tie the game up in 3 plays.

My goodness.
 
The suspected UVA shooter is a former UVA football player who appears to be targeting other football players. The three killed are all football players. Haven’t seen details on the two injured victims.
 
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