College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

[pgb-ohio]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

I'm in no way neutral. 1) I hate Ohio State and wish nothing but bad luck on them at all times. 2) I am a Miami (FL) fan. 3) Its not surprising someone with Ohio in their user name thinks OSU deserved to win.

Well, I appreciate that you laid your cards on the table; I did misinterpret where you were coming from. But hey, it's not like your screen name is JF_Hurricanes.

In any event, we both had incentive to watch that game closely. We both have reason to have long memories. And we both had a potential bias. Others can decide whose memories are more accurate and complete.

As for your first point, I don't really hate the Hurricanes. But it is difficult for me to think of a team I'd be less likely to root for as a neutral fan. Maybe an SEC team that was even more obnoxious than usual.

Wolverines vs. Hurricanes? Go Blue.
Fighting Irish vs. Hurricanes? Go Catholics.

So I guess we were just destined to lock horns on this one.

Obviously my comment is also relevant to alfablue's question. I, for one, routinely root for teams from the conference and the region when they play teams from elsewhere. I'm not saying alfablue or anyone else has any obligation to follow suit. But that's how I've always rooted, and I don't expect to change.

 

[French Rage]

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Brian Kelly will become the new head man at Notre Dame.

Does this surprise anyone? He game the most non-committal answers possible when asked about it.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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Does this surprise anyone? He game the most non-committal answers possible when asked about it.

I can go to Notre Dame and all that entails or play at this stadium which doubles as a walk way to class? hmmm

Don't be an idiot (Greg Schiano)

 

[bigmrg74]

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Brian Kelly will become the new head man at Notre Dame.

Our long national nightmare is now over.

And a new one begins in its place.

 

[French Rage]

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Gerhart wins the Doak Walker Award for the nation's best RB over Ingram and Spiller (hint, hint, Heisman voters).

 

[one_to7]

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Disregarding whether leaving cincinnati for notre dame was a good move or not, I just want to know one thing.

All season these coaches work on getting their team to a bowl game, the bigger the better. So why the HECK would you just abandon the team just a few weeks from one of the biggest games of their lives? How can you bring these guys in, mentor them, teach them, coach them etc, and then just go "yeah, I know we have one more game left, but I'm gonna go somewhere else cause it pays more and I'll get my name talked about more. cya!"?

And then they're somehow referred to as 'good leaders' or 'high character guys', how does that work?

 

[bigmrg74]

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Disregarding whether leaving cincinnati for notre dame was a good move or not, I just want to know one thing.

All season these coaches work on getting their team to a bowl game, the bigger the better. So why the HECK would you just abandon the team just a few weeks from one of the biggest games of their lives? How can you bring these guys in, mentor them, teach them, coach them etc, and then just go "yeah, I know we have one more game left, but I'm gonna go somewhere else cause it pays more and I'll get my name talked about more. cya!"?

And then they're somehow referred to as 'good leaders' or 'high character guys', how does that work?

Probably because schools haven't really figured out a good way to word it into their coaches contracts that they can't talk about taking another job until their last game is played. The biggest problem is that December is when the recuiting game heats up, and schools want their new coach in there and running ASAP or be else out half the main recuiting season. Now, if we had the playoffs, you wouldn't see this problem because coaches would then be locked down in Playoff mode and wouldn't have time to entertain offers from other schools offering dumptrucks worth of cash.

Just another reason why Bowls SUCK!!

 

[IrishWildcat]

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Disregarding whether leaving cincinnati for notre dame was a good move or not, I just want to know one thing.

All season these coaches work on getting their team to a bowl game, the bigger the better. So why the HECK would you just abandon the team just a few weeks from one of the biggest games of their lives? How can you bring these guys in, mentor them, teach them, coach them etc, and then just go "yeah, I know we have one more game left, but I'm gonna go somewhere else cause it pays more and I'll get my name talked about more. cya!"?

And then they're somehow referred to as 'good leaders' or 'high character guys', how does that work?

In the grand scheme of things, it was a career decision for Kelly.

Think about it. He's gone from D-II Grand Valley St. (absolute nobodies) to DI-A Cent. Mich (relative nobodies) to Cincy (nobodies who were placed in a position to become somebodies due to Miami and BC skipping out of the Big East). Now he's on to Notre Dame, where you inexplicably gain instant cred for some reason, and I say that as an Irish fan.

That's not to discredit what Kelly has done with the Bearcats program. I hope he does well with the Notre Dame program. But let's not be naive about this thing.

To quote the Corleone family, It's not personal...it's business. Swarbrick wasn't thinking about the guys in the program (namely Clausen and Tate) when he fired Weis. He thought about the reputation of Notre Dame as an institution of Higher Football. Kelly...as much as he loves those kids he's coaching right now, and he'll be coaching for one last game in January...is thinking about how he can move up the coaching ladder. Notre Dame leads to bigger and better things, like it or not. It certainly looks nice on a resumé.

Now it's up to Kelly to revamp this program. Go figure we've got a quarterback named Crist...he's gonna have to work some miracles, or else HE'LL be sacrificed for the sins of this administration for the sake of Notre Dame's future.

 

[Priceless]

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Disregarding whether leaving cincinnati for notre dame was a good move or not, I just want to know one thing.

All season these coaches work on getting their team to a bowl game, the bigger the better. So why the HECK would you just abandon the team just a few weeks from one of the biggest games of their lives? How can you bring these guys in, mentor them, teach them, coach them etc, and then just go "yeah, I know we have one more game left, but I'm gonna go somewhere else cause it pays more and I'll get my name talked about more. cya!"?

And then they're somehow referred to as 'good leaders' or 'high character guys', how does that work?

Money.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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One issue for schools and coaches is that right now is a recruiting period. If the schools wait till January to hire a coach they are basically skipping recruiting for the upcoming season.

Which also means if a coach says no, i need to wait till after the bowl game to take a new job, then that job may no longer be available to them.

Which then leads them to take the job early and start recruiting for their new school. So now that you are actively working for your new school how can you go back and coach your previous one for that bowl game. You aren't really giving it 100% of your attention.

It's all one big catch-22.

 

[pirate]

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I guess if a school agreed to not fire somebody until after the bowl season they may consider not leaving until after the bowl season...but in reality, both sides need to quickly start establishing a team of coaches, recruiting will be hurt on both sides by lame duck coaches and the conflict of interests would be plentiful.

Heard a terrible argument yesterday on ESPN Radio that if coaches can up and leave with no penalty then players should be able to as well.

Coaching is a profession in which 5% of the guys get to retire, the other 95% get fired. Sure, some have pretty sweet deals, the same guys that get death threats, their kids beaten up at school and their wives afraid to leave the house once a downward trend starts. They work more hours than any of us, are in a game that is really a business, are surrounded by parents, agents, boosters and other coaches that are as ethical as a starving hyena and likely have been nomadic for the last 20 years...I have no problem with a guy who takes a better job.

Allowing players to skip from school to school would be a disaster...if recruiting HS players is a dirty business imagine what it would be like if they also could have a few Orange Pride hostesses pay a visit to a dorm room (ok, where was I?...maybe a better example is needed). Anyway, you get my point.

And I don't think ND will allow any JUCO transfers. While there are plenty of top quality players with the grades to get into ND, I don't think any of them were playing with Cody in junior college.

 

[alfablue]

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Money.

It's an important lesson to know- it's ok to abandon the team and program you helped build for money, especially at the pinnacle of your teams possibilities. That ends up being Biran's lasting lesson to his Bearcats.

 

[Kepler]

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Probably because schools haven't really figured out a good way to word it into their coaches contracts that they can't talk about taking another job until their last game is played.

One way you could do this would be to freeze all hiring from say 15 November to the day after the championship game. The NCAA has the power to sanction schools (recruiting and practice schedule violations), I suppose it could do that too.

 

[Kepler]

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Go figure we've got a quarterback named Crist...he's gonna have to work some miracles, or else HE'LL be sacrificed for the sins of this administration for the sake of Notre Dame's future.

We just had a QB with the initials JC. How'd that work out?

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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One way you could do this would be to freeze all hiring from say 15 November to the day after the championship game. The NCAA has the power to sanction schools (recruiting and practice schedule violations), I suppose it could do that too.

While a good idea, this would hurt the big schools the most and hence would never see the light of day.

 

[The Darkness]

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There may be a chance that Brian Kelly got out of a little to early.

Atleast if this turns out to hold any water(which it won't)

At the bottom of the AFCA page with the Coaches Votes it specifically states:

“The AFCA prohibits coaches from voting for schools on major NCAA probation.”
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/usatpoll.htm

And I think it is very clear they are on “major” probation due to a textbook scandal.
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061109aaa.html

Even though they appealed, the infractions are not set aside per below NCAA Bylaw:

32.10.2 – Determinations of fact and violations arrived at by the Committee on Infractions shall not be set aside on appeal.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/Upl...anual8716ea01-9388-4d68-bb93-2b6ff5ba2e36.pdf

Based on these circumstances, the University of Alabama football team is required receive 0 (zero) points from the USA Today Coaches poll, giving them a recalculated BCS average of 0.6656, thus moving them down to number 8 on the BCS final standings:

 

[Priceless]

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There may be a chance that Brian Kelly got out of a little to early.

Atleast if this turns out to hold any water(which it won't)

You forgot this little-known codicil of the Faber Charter: Major football schools can get away with NC$$ violations.

 

[Slap Shot]

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ND can suck it. This is a school where people screamed bloody murder at the concept of having a sitting president come and do nothing more than give a speech because of his pro-choice stance, yet then hires someone for the highest profile position at the university who also has a pro-choice stance. Way to stick to your princples as long as they don't interfere with winning football games.

 

[Craig P.]

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There's a difference between being the head football coach (primary job: win football games) and the commencement speaker who also gets an honorary degree (primary job: pontificate to the graduates and their guests).

 

[Priceless]

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I thought the college football coach's primary job was to educate young men.