CCHA teams will join WCHA

[scsutommyboy]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

We still have to see which programs go under after all the changes go fully into effect. I don't see anything that changes my opinion that a few will.

Which ones? UAH and who?

 

[CCtig]

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I said this when this video came out (and am saying it as someone whol LIKES George), but listen to Gwoz' comments at the 4:57 mark:

"...other schools in other leagues can compete at their level" (Gwoz's emphasis - not mine)...

That comments exemplifies the arrogance of the NCHC. That one quote is all you need to know about why folks are ticked about the NCHC schools attitude in this whole matter.

This is why I blame this whole mess on Denver, and only Denver. Or is it Metro State?

 

[MTUHatTrick84]

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Forget that. I'm still trying to figure out why he thinks SCSU and Mankato will be on the "fringe" of the WCHA.

Not in terms of quality. We are talking geographically. They are in the "center" of the WCHA in terms of geography, and now they will be on the outside and most road trips will be longer and to the east.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Awful move by the CCHA. It's all Tom Anastos' fault.

Yep. Like what somebody said earlier. The CCHA has been pretty much run to set things up for Michigan and Sparty, and not for the other 10 or now 9 teams in the league. Collectively, the other schools should have voted for more stuff to make the league better for everybody, and not just the Blue and Green squads.

Not in terms of quality. We are talking geographically. They are in the "center" of the WCHA in terms of geography, and now they will be on the outside and most road trips will be longer and to the east.

Correct.

Hell, this alone pretty much forces ND to the NCHA now. I just hope that the other conferences lean on one or the other to bring in Huntsville.

 

[ronmexico]

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This is why I blame this whole mess on Denver, and only Denver. Or is it Metro State?

You know that's not true. Honestly, this whole chain of events makes me sick on so many levels. My loyalty hasn't faded but I'm not proud of CC's role in all of this. I don't think CC provoked any of this but it puts me in an awkward spot morally. Maybe I'm a moron but none of it sits well with me.

I'm tempted to go on a rant but I think I'll avoid that tonight.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Not in terms of quality. We are talking geographically. They are in the "center" of the WCHA in terms of geography, and now they will be on the outside and most road trips will be longer and to the east.

Got it. Thanks

 

[SCSU Euro]

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I've never had such a strong desire to kick a small puppy into a wall as I do right now.

 

[4four4]

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Because Minnesota is working on scheduling arrangements with the other Minnesota teams, and there is talk of an all-Minnesota tournament (presumably around Hockey Day Minnesota). They won't have many non-conference games left. And my guess is North Dakota is higher on the list than DU, CC, UNO, or Miami.

If at all. IMO, I don't believe UND will face Minnesota more than three times a decade if that. They will be a school we once had a great rivalry. Basically the rivalry will be currently like how Michigan and Michigan State are like.

 

[thebleedenator]

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all this talk of travel cost seems like BS to me.

In their press release about the meeting the CCHA and WCHA had they said

“One crucial thing that came out of the joint meeting today was the word ‘commitment.’ All of these institutions are totally committed to fielding the most competitive and successful programs possible and to provide the best possible experience for their student-athletes.”

To me, if they didn't think it was sustainable in terms of travel cost, they wouldn't have said this. Would you invite a team to join your league if you thought they might drop hockey because of travel costs? Not unless I 100% HAD to in order to maintain a 6 team league.

just my 2 cents.

 

[4four4]

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Couldn't not you have not used more negatives? Your post goes for naught if not for the word not. But I think you didn't not use one extra "not" in your original statement. That's very naughty.

Thank for pointing out my typo.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

If at all. IMO, I don't believe UND will face Minnesota more than three times a decade if that. They will be a school we once had a great rivalry. Basically the rivalry will be currently like how Michigan and Michigan State are like.

Very much a possibility.

 

[ND Hockey]

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Hell, this alone pretty much forces ND to the NCHA now. I just hope that the other conferences lean on one or the other to bring in Huntsville.

Notre Dame's choices have always been either The National or Hockey East. The latest realignment news doesn't change that. There was zero chance Notre Dame would stick around in a diminished CCHA or WCHA. The only factors delaying Notre Dame's decision are television details and expansion plans for the NCHC. Notre Dame would prefer that the National stick to seven teams and a shorter conference schedule so they can still play Boston College and the Big Ten teams often. I think the National wants to go to eight teams and make it an even number. As they learned from the CCHA, having an odd number screws a lot of things up.

 

[uaafanblog]

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I'd rather have UAH than WMU. I only have to briefly consider it to reach that decision. WMU's-whoring of itself was just grotesque.

UAH has done all the right things. Their geography is being held against them. Insularity and provincialism continue to rule college hockey and I suspect that is part of the reason we don't see much expansion of the sport. Sure, it's expensive blah blah blah ... but it isn't like the existing college hockey world is standing there with it's arms wide open trying to be equitable.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Couldn't not you have not used more negatives? Your post goes for naught if not for the word not. But I think you didn't not use one extra "not" in your original statement. That's very naughty.

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[4four4]

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Why wouldn't minnesota schedule anyone from the ITMBAGHC? Is it because every team from the ITMBAGHC made the ncaa's last year and minny has missed the tournament the last three years?

Here is the schedule I have been told the Gophers will be playing in the future.

20 games against the Big Ten
2 games for the Mariucci Classic
6 games against SCSU, MSU-M, BSU.
2 games against UMD
2 games for the Hockey Minnesota Tourney at Xcel Energy
2 games against either HE, ECAC, Atlantic, or less likely the new league because UMD is already on their schedule.

 

[Stauber1]

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I think it's worth noting that only 2 of the CCHA schools have accepted the invitation. There still exists the possibility that we see some Atlantic Hockey schools leave that conference to form a 6/7-team league with BGSU, Ferris and perhaps Western (UAH?).
Now admittedly, I wouldn't lay any bets on that...but as of right now it's not a done deal that all 5 of these teams will join the WCHA.

I also want to point out that, yet again, the WCHA has taken action which quite arguably isn't in their best interest in order to help maintain a degree of stability in D1 Men's Hockey.

It's clear the WCHA needed to add at least 1 team to the conference after the BTHC and NCHC became realities. In doing so, it further weakened an already weakened conference. So the WCHA stepped up and offered a stable home for all those remaining programs from the CCHA who faced a very bleak outlook. 2 have opted for that new home. Now it's up to the remaining 3 schools to determine what is in their best interest based on realistic options.

My hope is that one of those options is to draw a few Atlantic Hockey schools along with UAH to maintain the CCHA (or whatever it would be called).
I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Priceless]

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Notre Dame's choices have always been either The National or Hockey East. The latest realignment news doesn't change that. There was zero chance Notre Dame would stick around in a diminished CCHA or WCHA. The only factors delaying Notre Dame's decision are television details and expansion plans for the NCHC. Notre Dame would prefer that the National stick to seven teams and a shorter conference schedule so they can still play Boston College and the Big Ten teams often. I think the National wants to go to eight teams and make it an even number. As they learned from the CCHA, having an odd number screws a lot of things up.

Notre Dame could stay Independent, too. Not very likely, but given that they value football independence something to consider. I think they go to the LTHC and play BC in non-conference affairs.

Who exactly told Western Michigan that they could ride Notre Dame's coattails and follow them into a new league? Why would the LTHC want them? Hockey East certainly doesn't want them (TPTB want Notre dame because, hey, it's Notre Dame) but HEA is far more likely to stay at 11 teams than add Western as a 12th. The only conference that wants them is the WCHA.

 

[J.D.]

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Who is the editor? Headline says remaining CCHA schools will join the WCHA and then the article mentions how Western Michigan and Bowling Green might not go.

 

[Priceless]

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I also want to point out that, yet again, the WCHA has taken action which quite arguably isn't in their best interest in order to help maintain a degree of stability in D1 Men's Hockey.

The WCHA isn't doing this out of the good of their collective hearts. If programs like BGSU, LSSU and Ferris fold, then we're back to a 12-team tournament and the WCHA is forever a one-bid league.

 

[Star2City]

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I think it's worth noting that only 2 of the CCHA schools have accepted the invitation. There still exists the possibility that we see some Atlantic Hockey schools leave that conference to form a 6/7-team league with BGSU, Ferris and perhaps Western (UAH?).
Now admittedly, I wouldn't lay any bets on that...but as of right now it's not a done deal that all 5 of these teams will join the WCHA.

I also want to point out that, yet again, the WCHA has taken action which quite arguably isn't in their best interest in order to help maintain a degree of stability in D1 Men's Hockey.

It's clear the WCHA needed to add at least 1 team to the conference after the BTHC and NCHC became realities. In doing so, it further weakened an already weakened conference. So the WCHA stepped up and offered a stable home for all those remaining programs from the CCHA who faced a very bleak outlook. 2 have opted for that new home. Now it's up to the remaining 3 schools to determine what is in their best interest based on realistic options.

My hope is that one of those options is to draw a few Atlantic Hockey schools along with UAH to maintain the CCHA (or whatever it would be called).
I'm not holding my breath.

^^^^ this.

Can't see Bowling Green's administration being at all excited about being in the WCHA. BGSU has almost nothing in common with those schools, and it's travel costs will be way up.

Ferris State owns the keys to the CCHA's future, even if WMU is offered a NCHC spot. If Ferris stays, a CCHA with the four AHA schools, BGSU, and UAH can form a seven-team CCHA league. Lindenwood is a potentially interested school that could be added later. But Ferris would probably choose it's GLIAC brethren rather an AHA-dominated CCHA, which would consign the CCHA to history.