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CCHA teams will join WCHA

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The WCHA isn't doing this out of the good of their collective hearts. If programs like BGSU, LSSU and Ferris fold, then we're back to a 12-team tournament and the WCHA is forever a one-bid league.

Quite frankly, I think you are attributing far too much forethought to those making these decisions.
There are a lot of if's in that scenario.

But even ceding that point, the WCHA is the conference taking action to maintain stability, when instability has negative repercussions for nearly all D1 programs.

Just for the record, "my" team is one of those leaving to a newly formed conference, propelling that specter of instability.
 
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http://twitter.com/#!/chnews
@TYTBlog if Notre Dame picks Hockey East, NCHC could want WMU and BGSU in order to have 8 teams

Alaska and Lake Sup St have accepted the WCHA's offer.
That leaves ND, WMU, BGSU, and Ferris St as CCHA members.

Theoretically, the NCHC could gain the CCHA's autobid if WMU and BGSU are the last teams standing in the CCHA.
- ND goes to Hockey East, indy, or ECAC
- Ferris State accepts the WCHA's offer within the 30 days stipulated.
- WMU and BGSU could then "invite" the NCHC to the CCHA, rename the CCHA as the NCHC, and retain the autobid.

If Bowling Green is the last CCHA team standing (WMU and ND go to the NCHC), Bowling Green could control CCHA autobid, and maintain it by adding the AHA 4 plus UAH.
 
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This move again continues to screw college hockey and again puts UAH of being another school looking like it is going to drop its program. It also puts Bowling Green which was rumored a few years ago of getting rid of its program untils its alumni stepped in. Notre Dame could end up joining the NCHC or Hockey East. Ferris State will definitely join the WCHA and Wester Michigan will either go to the NCHC or join the WCHA. Which leaves UAH out in the sun again! My suggestion is for someone to step in and start up College Hockey America again and have them play an interlocking schedule with Atlantic Hockey. Can you imagine the amount of money they would save on travel alone as their only real long conference road trip would be to UAH.

Bowling Green
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http://twitter.com/#!/chnews


Alaska and Lake Sup St have accepted the WCHA's offer.
That leaves ND, WMU, BGSU, and Ferris St as CCHA members.

Theoretically, the NCHC could gain the CCHA's autobid if WMU and BGSU are the last teams standing in the CCHA.
- ND goes to Hockey East, indy, or ECAC
- Ferris State accepts the WCHA's offer within the 30 days stipulated.
- WMU and BGSU could then "invite" the NCHC to the CCHA, rename the CCHA as the NCHC, and retain the autobid.

If Bowling Green is the last CCHA team standing (WMU and ND go to the NCHC), Bowling Green could control CCHA autobid, and maintain it by adding the AHA 4 plus UAH.
 
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Hey uaafanblog, is it ok if I post in this thread since I am not a fan of the teams that will be affected by these changes? Just want to make sure its ok with you...?

I agree with others who have said this just doesn't sound like the kind of deal that will end well. The problem with the proposed new WCHA goes back to the same conversations that were had before and now that the BTHC as well as now the National(or whatever you people want to call it) have been formed. That problem being, what kind of crowds are schools like SUCS, 'Kato, or Brrrrmidji going to draw without schools like sue, UW, DU, or Minnesota on their home schedule at least every other year? I don't see the schools in the new proposal having those kind of draws. Some of these smaller programs are already a hurtin' unit, to me this multiplies the hurt.

If at all. IMO, I don't believe UND will face Minnesota more than three times a decade if that. They will be a school we once had a great rivalry. Basically the rivalry will be currently like how Michigan and Michigan State are like.
It saddens me to say, but I think you are right on this one.

Here is the schedule I have been told the Gophers will be playing in the future.

20 games against the Big Ten
2 games for the Mariucci Classic
6 games against SCSU, MSU-M, BSU.
2 games against UMD
2 games for the Hockey Minnesota Tourney at Xcel Energy
2 games against either HE, ECAC, Atlantic, or less likely the new league because UMD is already on their schedule.
Where did you find/hear this information?
 
Hey uaafanblog, is it ok if I post in this thread since I am not a fan of the teams that will be affected by these changes? Just want to make sure its ok with you...?

I agree with others who have said this just doesn't sound like the kind of deal that will end well. The problem with the proposed new WCHA goes back to the same conversations that were had before and now that the BTHC as well as now the National(or whatever you people want to call it) have been formed. That problem being, what kind of crowds are schools like SUCS, 'Kato, or Brrrrmidji going to draw without schools like sue, UW, DU, or Minnesota on their home schedule at least every other year? I don't see the schools in the new proposal having those kind of draws. Some of these smaller programs are already a hurtin' unit, to me this multiplies the hurt.


It saddens me to say, but I think you are right on this one.


Where did you find/hear this information?

SCSU, Mankato, and Bemidji will have Minnesota on their schedule every year.
 
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Thanks for the link. Didn't realize that was the case. Please forgive my ignorance:(. But still, that only means one home game per season against a team like UM for SUCS and 'Kato with a home series every other year for Bemidji. This may come off as tArrogance, but one or two games each season against a team like the Gophers won't solve the possible problems I doubt. Maybe I am wrong.
 
Thanks for the link. Didn't realize that was the case. Please forgive my ignorance:(. But still, that only means one home game per season against a team like UM for SUCS and 'Kato with a home series every other year for Bemidji. This may come off as tArrogance, but one or two games each season against a team like the Gophers won't solve the possible problems I doubt. Maybe I am wrong.

I don't think any of the MN schools are in any jeopardy of folding. In fact, if Moorehead gets the funding and Western Michigan joins the WCHA, we could see another MN D1 team in college hockey. As a Gopher fan, I am glad to see the UMN doing the right thing.
 
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SCSU, Mankato, and Bemidji will have Minnesota on their schedule every year.

I have said this prior and I'll say it again. I am really impressed with how Minnesota took a stand to support the smaller MN schools. It is a classy move on their part. I hope there will be a little more appreciation from these schools (SCSU included) towards UM. It's time to get over the beating up the big brother complex and just enjoy the great hockey between these programs. The conference changes are going to be a great challenge. Without the backing of the Gophers, it would be a really scary future. I hope to see Michigan, Michigan State, etc take the stance with the smaller CCHA schools.

It seems too many fans are ignorant of the history of these programs. Mariucci was key in expanding D-I hockey in MN. The Gophers look to continue his legacy to keep the MN schools strong.

SCSU, BSU, and MSU now have to rise to the challenge ahead of them. How much do we value our hockey programs? How much are we willing to go the extra mile to ensure their success? These schools must be proactive in marketing their teams to their communities and also supporting each other. When the NHC sells out to standing room only capacity for games against the Gophers, a lot of that is because their fans travel well. Contact your buddies that love hockey. Get them in the seats. Coordinate road trips for away games. Introduce more people to college hockey.

Contact your school ADs, coaches, presidents with your concerns about the programs. Times are going to be tough. If you cut and run are you really a true fan?
 
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Yep, thanks to Mariucci UMD became a D1 program, and thanks to Herb Brooks, SCSU made the move up. I'm a Gopher fan, but a Minnesota hockey fan first and foremost. I want to see MN kids have as many opportunities to play D1 hockey as possible, because it keeps the sport strong in the state.
 
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I have said this prior and I'll say it again. I am really impressed with how Minnesota took a stand to support the smaller MN schools. It is a classy move on their part. I hope there will be a little more appreciation from these schools (SCSU included) towards UM. It's time to get over the beating up the big brother complex and just enjoy the great hockey between these programs. The conference changes are going to be a great challenge. Without the backing of the Gophers, it would be a really scary future. I hope to see Michigan, Michigan State, etc take the stance with the smaller CCHA schools.

It seems too many fans are ignorant of the history of these programs. Mariucci was key in expanding D-I hockey in MN. The Gophers look to continue his legacy to keep the MN schools strong.

SCSU, BSU, and MSU now have to rise to the challenge ahead of them. How much do we value our hockey programs? How much are we willing to go the extra mile to ensure their success? These schools must be proactive in marketing their teams to their communities and also supporting each other. When the NHC sells out to standing room only capacity for games against the Gophers, a lot of that is because their fans travel well. Contact your buddies that love hockey. Get them in the seats. Coordinate road trips for away games. Introduce more people to college hockey.

Contact your school ADs, coaches, presidents with your concerns about the programs. Times are going to be tough. If you cut and run are you really a true fan?

Too bad Michigan and Michigan State won't be making the same commitment to NMU, Ferris, Lake Superior and Western. I have a feeling that when after next season that you'll never see UM or MSU in Marquette, the Soo or Big Rapids.
 
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Too bad Michigan and Michigan State won't be making the same commitment to NMU, Ferris, Lake Superior and Western. I have a feeling that when after next season that you'll never see UM or MSU in Marquette, the Soo or Big Rapids.


Its funny -- and sad -- to see Big Ten teams, and their supporters, actually have the audacity to pretend to be magnanimus. What a sordid collection of hypocritical two-faced back-stabbing money-grabbing jackholes, who actually have the nerve to say they care about some random hockey program, while it was they who ripped up the traditional landscape of College Hockey for the thrill of playing Penn State and some random Big (6) Ten pennant. You really have to be deeply medicated to have say with a straight face, "Oh, we really support the ________ hockey program and we will schedule you . . ."

The Big (6) Ten needs to pad out their NC schedule. I guess I would prefer to see all the WCHA schools tell all the Big Ten schools to go pound sand -- schedule a home and home with Robert Morris. The sad suckers in all this are the schools who are willing to crawl on their belly just a chance to play a Big Ten school. I seriously think all the non-Big Ten schools in the West should just refuse to schedule them for a few years. They wanted to leave? They wanted their own little conference with their own little TV network and their own little trophy? Great. Enjoy. But don't come simpering around the supposed "lesser" schools to help you pad your schedule.

I mean, really, at least have the common decency to admit that your program (whateve Big (6) Ten program you follow) made the move for money. Nobody buys the "tradition" argument, and it only makes you look like a sucker.

And lets be honest, UM under Berenson have played almost no NC road games. This library-wetting coach griped yearly about the trip to the UP and Alaska. MSU has been willing to hit the road under Comley -- but only to money spots.

The good of college hockey? Ha! Thats a laugh. If there was any thought about the good of college hockey, we'd see Michigan doing a real home and home contract with Colgate (for instance), or scheduling a road trip to UAH. Minnesota cares about other Minnesota schools. HAHAHAHAHHAHA -- you people not only said it, you seem (amazingly) to believe it! Its about cheap, easy NC games, and nothing more. And they lock in a schedule with these schools? Seriously? And these schools fall for this rot? If they wanted to schedule these schools, and support these schools, then why not just stay in the WCHA? Instead, Minnesota -- in its pius wisdom -- has decreed that it may, in the name of good sportsmanship and love, agree to play lowly, simple, poor and hungry SCSU on a yearly basis? Full of yourself much?

Nope, I don't buy it. I am perfectly happy with a UP-centered league without the Walmart Big Ten fans mucking about.

Of course, this is all just my opinion. But I am happy that the other schools have decided to stand together. If we can take the next step and tell the Big (6) Ten to take a hike on scheduling, and assert some level of pride, I would be pleased.

(and now, my children, we wait. Not long -- no not long at all. I expect the standard hyper-knee-jerk-defensive reaction from the Minnesota mafia which feels a deep compulsion to shout down any possible thought which might, in any way, at any time, cast any shadow of any disrepute upon Minnesota as a school, state, or state of mind. I expect the first knee-jerk to pop about ten minutes after I post. Lets all sit back and watch the little buggers go about their well rehearsed, neatly choreographed responsive mouth-foaming . . . ).
 
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Hey uaafanblog, is it ok if I post in this thread since I am not a fan of the teams that will be affected by these changes? Just want to make sure its ok with you...?

I agree with others who have said this just doesn't sound like the kind of deal that will end well. The problem with the proposed new WCHA goes back to the same conversations that were had before and now that the BTHC as well as now the National(or whatever you people want to call it) have been formed. That problem being, what kind of crowds are schools like SUCS, 'Kato, or Brrrrmidji going to draw without schools like sue, UW, DU, or Minnesota on their home schedule at least every other year? I don't see the schools in the new proposal having those kind of draws. Some of these smaller programs are already a hurtin' unit, to me this multiplies the hurt.


It saddens me to say, but I think you are right on this one.


Where did you find/hear this information?


I think you need to get your facts straight. for one DU is a bad draw at SCSU and they will get as many people at games for NMU and company as they got for DU. UW was a great draw, but look at how many times over the last 20 years they played at SCSU....We never played them at home any way so yes it is a loss, but not as big as you think. UND is a huge loss becuase when we played them and the Goofers it was a sell out every time. Since the Goofers are going to play us home and home every year the only loss is not playing UND. Hopefully motzko can get the flicketails at the NHC after they leave the conference.
 
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Too bad Michigan and Michigan State won't be making the same commitment to NMU, Ferris, Lake Superior and Western. I have a feeling that when after next season that you'll never see UM or MSU in Marquette, the Soo or Big Rapids.

Sorry to hear that.
 
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Lakerblue, you need to give it a rest. You're assuming all the teams in the Big Ten wanted to leave the WCHA. Not necessarily true. I think the UMN is doing the right thing by keeping the smaller MN schools on their schedule and by supporting an All-MN tourney. There are good relationships between the MN schools, and great rivalries. And I don't know how people roll where you're from, but we look after our own. Especially when it comes to hockey. Maybe it's you who needs to pound sand?

And what type of reaction did you expect? Make stupid, a-hole remarks and you'll get treated like a stupid a-hole. Not really an over-reaction or "hyper-sensitive" as I have quit taking anything you say too seriously long ago. More like a common sense response to a purely asinine remark. Whatever it takes to ease that inferiority complex you got going in relation to MN hockey, I guess.
 
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If Western stays in the WCHA UAH should be added to make 12 teams. The problem is we all know they don't want that so if they can bolt they will and then I doubt WCHA members would make a 11 team conference.

It would make more sense to have the WCHA add Air Force, in the west, and the Atlantic Conference add UAH. I don't see how UAH could afford to travel to Alaska.
 
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Just curious, how many SCSU, Mankato, BSU, or even UMD fans out there would like too see their school stop scheduling the Gophers like LakerBlue (in all his demented wisdom) is suggesting? How many blame the Gophers for the formation of the BTHC?
 
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Just curious, how many SCSU, Mankato, BSU, or even UMD fans out there would like too see their school stop scheduling the Gophers like LakerBlue (in all his demented wisdom) is suggesting? How many blame the Gophers for the formation of the BTHC?

First you tell Laker Blue to give it a rest, then you ask a question (most likely rhetorical) to keep the issue alive?
 
First you tell Laker Blue to give it a rest, then you ask a question (most likely rhetorical) to keep the issue alive?

I told him to give the "all B10 teams are evil" bit a rest. I don't think anyone is in the dark on how he feels about that. As for fans of SCSU, Mankato, BSU, and UMD, I am genuinely interested to know what the consensus is on how they feel. See the difference? Or would you prefer he speak for them?
 
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