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Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Populi!
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The Sicatoka
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
State got called out by the FBI as the weakest regarding handling of classified. They have to look like they're doing something.
State got called out by the FBI as the weakest regarding handling of classified. They have to look like they're doing something.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
W was part of the ruin of the GOP resulting from that era. It'll take 30 years to live him down at least and his horrific Presidency also laid waste to the GOP notions of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich helps the economy.
The GOP's descent into the clown show that it is, chock full of conspiracy theorists and lunatics, started in the late 90's. That's also when the people who should have known better (the alleged moderate sane people) went along for the ride. Its been downhill ever since. Name me a policy victory the GOP has sustained in the last 20 years? Bush tax cuts were by and large reversed. Iraq war turned into worst foreign policy disaster in US history. Frankly, the only Republican law that exists in its original form over that time is the Patriot Act.
W was part of the ruin of the GOP resulting from that era. It'll take 30 years to live him down at least and his horrific Presidency also laid waste to the GOP notions of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich helps the economy.
The GOP's descent into the clown show that it is, chock full of conspiracy theorists and lunatics, started in the late 90's. That's also when the people who should have known better (the alleged moderate sane people) went along for the ride. Its been downhill ever since. Name me a policy victory the GOP has sustained in the last 20 years? Bush tax cuts were by and large reversed. Iraq war turned into worst foreign policy disaster in US history. Frankly, the only Republican law that exists in its original form over that time is the Patriot Act.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Agreed. Total CYA.
Agreed. Total CYA.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
The only one that matters.
The only one that matters.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
There really hasn't been a GOP success story in the last 20 years. Yet I would believe that the Bill Clinton witch hunt didn't result in a serious GOP predicament by itself. The GOP was in large part protected by the boomers and the 2000 election indicates that. But the W administration decimated the GOP's standing among independents and continued Fox/Rush infusions among conservatives ramped things up to result in the GOP mess of today.
W was part of the ruin of the GOP resulting from that era. It'll take 30 years to live him down at least and his horrific Presidency also laid waste to the GOP notions of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich helps the economy.
The GOP's descent into the clown show that it is, chock full of conspiracy theorists and lunatics, started in the late 90's. That's also when the people who should have known better (the alleged moderate sane people) went along for the ride. Its been downhill ever since. Name me a policy victory the GOP has sustained in the last 20 years? Bush tax cuts were by and large reversed. Iraq war turned into worst foreign policy disaster in US history. Frankly, the only Republican law that exists in its original form over that time is the Patriot Act.
There really hasn't been a GOP success story in the last 20 years. Yet I would believe that the Bill Clinton witch hunt didn't result in a serious GOP predicament by itself. The GOP was in large part protected by the boomers and the 2000 election indicates that. But the W administration decimated the GOP's standing among independents and continued Fox/Rush infusions among conservatives ramped things up to result in the GOP mess of today.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
I said in the last 20 years. Tax rates have gone UP on the highest earners according to our graph since I'm guessing the 1986 tax reform bill. This should encourage you as the Dem Presidents have clearly been fighting the good fight on this.
I said in the last 20 years. Tax rates have gone UP on the highest earners according to our graph since I'm guessing the 1986 tax reform bill. This should encourage you as the Dem Presidents have clearly been fighting the good fight on this.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
That rate has stayed low since 1981. Protecting that is the sole mission of the GOP. They have done their job so well now we expend all our energy fighting for +4/5 points. Restoring the middle class means +40/50.
When we finally reinstate Eisenhower Era progressive taxation the GOP will have failed. Everything else is noise to them.
That rate has stayed low since 1981. Protecting that is the sole mission of the GOP. They have done their job so well now we expend all our energy fighting for +4/5 points. Restoring the middle class means +40/50.
When we finally reinstate Eisenhower Era progressive taxation the GOP will have failed. Everything else is noise to them.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
how all y'all conveniently forget it was bubba who signed away glass steagall
how all y'all conveniently forget it was bubba who signed away glass steagall
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
LOL. Good one.
LOL. Good one.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Yep. Worst part of his Presidency. But, just remember. We have laws and oversight in the financial sector through the SEC. The SEC was out to lunch the entire Bush presidency. They didn't do a ****ing thing and watched the entire house burn down.
how all y'all conveniently forget it was bubba who signed away glass steagall
Yep. Worst part of his Presidency. But, just remember. We have laws and oversight in the financial sector through the SEC. The SEC was out to lunch the entire Bush presidency. They didn't do a ****ing thing and watched the entire house burn down.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Come the revolution...
Come the revolution...
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Well, you gotta get the public along as well. Continuing our trip down memory lane, I'm sure you recall back in the 80's when people pulling in about 20K a year were clamoring for tax cuts for the rich in the hopes that trickle down economics actually worked. Took a long time to defeat that snake oil, and it was pretty much Bill Clinton who crushed supply side economics.
I think the public at large would be happy with a 45% or so upper income tax rate. Recall too that the ACA imposed a higher Medicare tax on the wealthy so they're already closer to the mid-40's. Maybe even up to 50% over a certain level. You're going to have to do a lot more work to get people to agree that 70%-90% is a fair #. Whether I agree with you or not, I'm not sure the general electorate is there on this proposal.
Well, you gotta get the public along as well. Continuing our trip down memory lane, I'm sure you recall back in the 80's when people pulling in about 20K a year were clamoring for tax cuts for the rich in the hopes that trickle down economics actually worked. Took a long time to defeat that snake oil, and it was pretty much Bill Clinton who crushed supply side economics.
I think the public at large would be happy with a 45% or so upper income tax rate. Recall too that the ACA imposed a higher Medicare tax on the wealthy so they're already closer to the mid-40's. Maybe even up to 50% over a certain level. You're going to have to do a lot more work to get people to agree that 70%-90% is a fair #. Whether I agree with you or not, I'm not sure the general electorate is there on this proposal.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
there should be some rolling level (marginal 5x median income 40%, then 15x median income 55% & 100x median income 75%) where base rate for <75% of median income is 10%.
if only a true progressive could come up with something here
there should be some rolling level (marginal 5x median income 40%, then 15x median income 55% & 100x median income 75%) where base rate for <75% of median income is 10%.
if only a true progressive could come up with something here
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Get the public along? Are you high?
The public is along on background checks. 80%. It doesn't ****ing matter.
Get the public along? Are you high?
The public is along on background checks. 80%. It doesn't ****ing matter.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Haven't forgotten at all. How Clinton, just like Obama, made a concerted effort to rule from the middle, and still got pilloried for whatever he did by the right wing.
So, if you're gonna get attacked for it anyway, why don't Democrats actually espouse some, you know, left policy positions?
how all y'all conveniently forget it was bubba who signed away glass steagall
Haven't forgotten at all. How Clinton, just like Obama, made a concerted effort to rule from the middle, and still got pilloried for whatever he did by the right wing.
So, if you're gonna get attacked for it anyway, why don't Democrats actually espouse some, you know, left policy positions?
rufus
rock and roller
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Isn't this what "Real America" says they need their guns for? When the nasty government organizations target them, start depriving them of their liberties and their lives, they can go to the mattresses armed with their AK's, and fight back against against the evil enforcement forces of the government?
Oh, wait, that's only for the white folks, they're the only ones that the enforcement arm of the government is gonna be coming after.
When it's the darkies acting up, ol' whitey loves the strong arm of the government enforcement machine. Ammon Bundy and his crew are probably watching the tube in jail and fist-pumping and yelling, "Yeah!! Give 'em some!!!!!"
Isn't this what "Real America" says they need their guns for? When the nasty government organizations target them, start depriving them of their liberties and their lives, they can go to the mattresses armed with their AK's, and fight back against against the evil enforcement forces of the government?
Oh, wait, that's only for the white folks, they're the only ones that the enforcement arm of the government is gonna be coming after.
When it's the darkies acting up, ol' whitey loves the strong arm of the government enforcement machine. Ammon Bundy and his crew are probably watching the tube in jail and fist-pumping and yelling, "Yeah!! Give 'em some!!!!!"
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Precisely.
The only answer to that is the Democrats have also been compromised by the bribery system. Public funding of elections likely precedes any dramatic change. Until we can get the fixers out of the game, we will get little nibbles around the edge and we can stop the GOP from actively making things worse but we'll never be able to take our government back.
Precisely.
The only answer to that is the Democrats have also been compromised by the bribery system. Public funding of elections likely precedes any dramatic change. Until we can get the fixers out of the game, we will get little nibbles around the edge and we can stop the GOP from actively making things worse but we'll never be able to take our government back.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
1 of 5 months is in the books in the 538 prediction. Hillary still at 78%. She's at 342 EV, and 4 of the closest 5 states are potential red-->blue rollovers (AZ, NC, GA, SC).
1 of 5 months is in the books in the 538 prediction. Hillary still at 78%. She's at 342 EV, and 4 of the closest 5 states are potential red-->blue rollovers (AZ, NC, GA, SC).
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