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Boston University 2011 Offseason

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J.D. said:
Why is this a problem? It happens in league play all the time. Now, BC playing NU three times in a week last year was a little strange.
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That's exactly the point. We play enough teams repeatedly over the course of a season because of conference scheduling. We don't want to waste our precious few non-conference games by playing the same team twice.
 
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Harry Cleverly said:
Head-to-head meetings of their teams, Parker still has a big lead. Beanpots, it isn't even close.

Jerry York's teams have been much more successful over the past decade. Parker had a huge edge in the 1990s, when BU should have won more than one NCAA title.
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I don't have the info, but maybe someone does. What are the numbers since York had his first good team at BC after rebuilding the program? So from 1997-1998 on...

And please, Hockey East Tournament and NCAA Tournament results far outweigh Beanpot results. Compared to the other two, the Beanpot is undoubtedly irrelevant.
 
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J.D. said:
I don't have the info, but maybe someone does. What are the numbers since York had his first good team at BC after rebuilding the program? So from 1997-1998 on...

And please, Hockey East Tournament and NCAA Tournament results far outweigh Beanpot results. Compared to the other two, the Beanpot is undoubtedly irrelevant.
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he tournament.
2009 - bu3-2
2007 - bc6-2
2006 - bu2-1 (ot)
2004 - bu3-2; bc4-0; bu4-2
2003 - bu6-5 (2ot)

bu-5
bc-2
 
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J.D. said:
I don't have the info, but maybe someone does. What are the numbers since York had his first good team at BC after rebuilding the program? So from 1997-1998 on...

And please, Hockey East Tournament and NCAA Tournament results far outweigh Beanpot results. Compared to the other two, the Beanpot is undoubtedly irrelevant.
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I can’t believe I wasted an evening to find numbers that point out the obvious but here goes.

Jack Parker and Jerry York are 2 of the greatest college hockey coaches ever. The idea that there is a significant difference in quality or success is unsupported by the facts. While there is no denying that BC has had a large edge in NCAA success over the last decade, anyone who is not heavily biased against Parker can see their career success by the numbers is unsurprisingly similar. (Sources: USCHO, BC, BU, BG, and Clarkson Media Guides. This is my best effort at compiling numbers, please point out any errors.)

Jack Parker
Seasons Wins Win % Conf Regular Season Conf Titles NHL Players All Americans Hobey Baker Olympians
38 853 647 11 11 60 27 2 23
NCAA Titles Frozen 4 Tournament wins Penrose
3 13 30 3

Jerry York
Seasons Wins Win % Conf Regular Season Conf Titles NHL Players All Americans Hobey Baker Olympians
39 880 620 9 10 46 29 3 3
NCAA Titles Frozen 4 Tournament wins Penrose
4 10 33 1

Of course, JY has the edge in NCAA titles, and you can say BC should have had 1 or 2 more in the ‘00s, but the same could be said about BU in the ‘90s. As for the advantages of recruiting from BU vs. Clarkson or Bowling Green, that is undeniable. However, if BU > BG, then for most New England talent BC > BU (Snooks Kelly reviewing Globe All-Scholatics, etc.). If you look at only the 17 years since Jerry York has come to BC , the Eagles smallest edge is in NCAA titles (1), while it has an advantage of 5 Frozen 4 s and 4 tournament titles(this is the edge I think is the largest). However, BU has an edge in regular season titles.
Conf Regular Season Conf Titles NCAA Titles Frozen 4
Parker 7 4 2 4
York 5 8 3 9

These numbers tell us what we already knew: Parker and York are Dean Smith and Coach K, and BC has been the best team in the East for a decade. As a BU fan, I have no proble giving a slight edge to York.

BTW, I didn't post the Beanpot results for 3 reasons: everyone knows that BU owns the Beanpot tournament; it's clear that a Beanpot is less valuable than the an NCAA or HE tournament win; and there are so many poeple who wrongly argue that the Beanpot is totally without meaning, except n the odd year that their team beats BU in it.
 
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Essentially what this endless debate always ends up proving is that both are great and arguing over who is better is like arguing what would happen if apples and oranges went to war.
 
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Hockey Dogg said:
I can’t believe I wasted an evening to find numbers that point out the obvious but here goes.

While there is no denying that BC has had a large edge in NCAA success over the last decade, anyone who is not heavily biased against Parker can see their career success by the numbers is unsurprisingly similar. (Sources: USCHO, BC, BU, BG, and Clarkson Media Guides. This is my best effort at compiling numbers, please point out any errors.)
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I can't believe you did either, but I was simply asking about head-to-head results and overall results since 1997-1998 (York's first good team after having to rebuild the program). That's really the fairest point to start from in regard to their coaching careers at the respective schools. That's why it would have been great to see York at BC as long as Parker has been at BU.

Hockey Dogg said:
BTW, I didn't post the Beanpot results for 3 reasons: everyone knows that BU owns the Beanpot tournament; it's clear that a Beanpot is less valuable than the an NCAA or HE tournament win; and there are so many poeple who wrongly argue that the Beanpot is totally without meaning, except n the odd year that their team beats BU in it.
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BU did own the Beanpot, but BC has now won three of the last four. It's still a significant tournament, just not even close to some other prizes out there. So many people have argued that it's "totally without meaning"? You must be talking about fans of schools outside Boston...
 
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slurpees said:
Essentially what this endless debate always ends up proving is that both are great and arguing over who is better is like arguing what would happen if apples and oranges went to war.
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Yes, both are great. I just don't think they're equal.
 
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J.D. said:
I was simply asking about head-to-head results and overall results since 1997-1998 (York's first good team after having to rebuild the program). That's really the fairest point to start from in regard to their coaching careers at the respective schools. That's why it would have been great to see York at BC as long as Parker has been at BU.
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I really like how you only want to count Coach York's record since "York's first good team" at BC. Why is that "the fairest point to start from"?

Since Coach York came to BC the head-to-head record between the two coaches has Coach Parker leading 34-33-7. By the way, you could have found this online if you had bothered to look, instead of being lazy and asking others to do the research. :rolleyes:

I’m also not sure why you disregarded mookie’s post showing that Coach Parker has outcoached Coach York head-to-head in the Hockey East Torunament.

Sean
 
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slurpees said:
Essentially what this endless debate always ends up proving is that both are great and arguing over who is better is like arguing what would happen if apples and oranges went to war.
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this..............but it has been an entertaining discussion even though we go down this street a lot and it's been civil too!:eek::D
 
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BU Fan 84 said:
JD, don't play dumb....
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The resident retard of BU nation has chimed in. I don't know one person who thinks the Beanpot is "totally meaningless".

Sean Pickett said:
I really like how you only want to count Coach York's record since "York's first good team" at BC. Why is that "the fairest point to start from"?
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You know something, you're right. I think the fairest point to start from is the very first terrible BC team York inherited against a proven BU juggernaut. That makes total sense...

Sean Pickett said:
By the way, you could have found this online if you had bothered to look, instead of being lazy and asking others to do the research. :rolleyes:
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LOL. If not wanting to do extensive research for a message board post makes me lazy, so be it. I figured you are the historical nerd anyway...so you must have the head-to-head results since the start of the '97-'98 season in the back of your large head, no?
 
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I really think you should all save your fighting energy for when the season starts. Relax, we have less than a month to go. Don't tip your hands this early! :)
 
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Well, this is fun, now isn't it?

Basically, we had everyone reaffirm what we already knew about them.

Hokydad is right on the money (as usual).
 
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Sean Pickett said:
I really like how you only want to count Coach York's record since "York's first good team" at BC. Why is that "the fairest point to start from"?

Since Coach York came to BC the head-to-head record between the two coaches has Coach Parker leading 34-33-7. By the way, you could have found this online if you had bothered to look, instead of being lazy and asking others to do the research. :rolleyes:

I’m also not sure why you disregarded mookie’s post showing that Coach Parker has outcoached Coach York head-to-head in the Hockey East Torunament.

Sean
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Excellent post.

It is "fairest" because those years conveniently coincides when BU had their worst teams since the 80's. :rolleyes:
 
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J.D. said:
LOL. If not wanting to do extensive research for a message board post makes me lazy, so be it. I figured you are the historical nerd anyway...so you must have the head-to-head results since the start of the '97-'98 season in the back of your large head, no?
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You are the one who asked for the information. Now that the info you got doesn't support the contention that you thought it would, you are pizzing in everyone's Cheerios??

J.D. is soiling the BU thread so the season must be starting soon! :)
 
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