Boston University 2011 Offseason

[buoldtimer]

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What's comical is us even talking about it! That old man will still be coaching long after my grandchildren are dead and gone!!!

My observation is that most guys, in all walks of life, who have well-paying jobs that they enjoy, for the most part, are reluctant to leave those jobs.

 

[mpereira]

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Former Terrier Jay Pandolfo in the news for possibly having a tryout contract with the Bruins
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/bruins/post/_/id/7363/pandolfo-eyed-for-bruins-tryout

 

[buoldtimer]

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BUoldtimer,

One thing that we know is that whomever eventually replaces Jack Parker will be part of the BU Family. There will be plenty of candidates.
That hire will not be a 'Leon Abbott hire' - a surprise from the outside.

I was told many years ago that the Abbott hire came from the FOH, especially one man in particular whose name escapes me now. Whether this statement is true or not, I don't know.

 

[mookie1995]

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I was told many years ago that the Abbott hire came from the FOH, especially one man in particular whose name escapes me now. Whether this statement is true or not, I don't know.

so you're saaaaaayyyyying i have a chance...

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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I was told many years ago that the Abbott hire came from the FOH, especially one man in particular whose name escapes me now.

The history of BU hockey might be quite different had Bob Crocker gotten the job instead of Leon Abbott. We might not have had Jack Parker, or likely not as soon, as head coach.

The athletic department structure was different in those days. I believe Dean Stanton Curtis oversaw the athletic dept. It is possible that FoH key figure had considerable influence.
When John Simpson became AD, that is when the structure gave the AD more control, which was a good thing.

Crocker, Jack Kelley's longtime assistant and BU baseball coach, ended up going to Penn, and upset Abbott's Terriers in the ECAC Tournament. Abbott was ousted the following season in the Bill Buckton/Peter Marzo eligibility controversy as former Jr. A players (Buckton and Marzo were later cleared). In came a very young Jack Parker, and the rest, as they say, is history.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Buckton and Marzo were later cleared.

It is my understanding that they were able to continue to play because of their lawsuit, but they were never cleared by the NCAA.

Sean

 

[buoldtimer]

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Crocker, Jack Kelley's longtime assistant and BU baseball coach, ended up going to Penn, and upset Abbott's Terriers in the ECAC Tournament.

A rueful memory.

 

[buoldtimer]

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The athletic department structure was different in those days. I believe Dean Stanton Curtis oversaw the athletic dept. It is possible that FoH key figure had considerable influence.
When John Simpson became AD, that is when the structure gave the AD more control, which was a good thing.

I remembered his name. It was Al Sidd. Again, I'm relying on hearsay here, which can be a little dangerous.

 

[Hokydad]

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The history of BU hockey might be quite different had Bob Crocker gotten the job instead of Leon Abbott. We might not have had Jack Parker, or likely not as soon, as head coach.

The athletic department structure was different in those days. I believe Dean Stanton Curtis oversaw the athletic dept. It is possible that FoH key figure had considerable influence.
When John Simpson became AD, that is when the structure gave the AD more control, which was a good thing.

Crocker, Jack Kelley's longtime assistant and BU baseball coach, ended up going to Penn, and upset Abbott's Terriers in the ECAC Tournament. Abbott was ousted the following season in the Bill Buckton/Peter Marzo eligibility controversy as former Jr. A players (Buckton and Marzo were later cleared). In came a very young Jack Parker, and the rest, as they say, is history.

Seeing that BU had just won back to back national championships in 1972 and 1973 it wasn't like he was Shawn Walsh walking into Maine in the condition it was in. Over the next 38+ years they win 3 total???

Walsh took over in 1984, not to many years after being a club team and a perenial doormat in Hockey East.

Maine won 2 national championships
BU won 2

Maine went to 11 frozen fours
BU went to 8 frozen fours, zero in the entire decade of the 80's

Maine had 2 losing seasons, the first 2 when Walsh was handed a trainwreck,

BU had 6 losing seasons after being handed a natl powerhouse.

Both great coaches but no matter who took over BU, they would have at least won 3 and probably more national championships. York has won that many in last decade alone. After inhereting a dishelved BC program.

JP has had a great run but aint no Bear Bryant or for that matter, Jerry York

 

[Scarlet]

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Seeing that BU had just won back to back national championships in 1972 and 1973 it wasn't like he was Shawn Walsh walking into Maine in the condition it was in. Over the next 38+ years they win 3 total???

Walsh took over in 1984, not to many years after being a club team and a perenial doormat in Hockey East.

Maine won 2 national championships
BU won 2

Maine went to 11 frozen fours
BU went to 8 frozen fours, zero in the entire decade of the 80's

Maine had 2 losing seasons, the first 2 when Walsh was handed a trainwreck,

BU had 6 losing seasons after being handed a natl powerhouse.

Both great coaches but no matter who took over BU, they would have at least won 3 and probably more national championships. York has won that many in last decade alone. After inhereting a dishelved BC program.

JP has had a great run but aint no Bear Bryant or for that matter, Jerry York

It does not appear that's what he was saying at all. And it was the 70-71 and 71-72 teams.

The January 7 Merrimack game is being moved to January 6 I'm assuming so as not to conflict with the Frozen Fenway games and the January 4 Harvard game is being moved to January 14th. Of course, all schedule dates are subject to change........

 

[mookie1995]

Walsh

ef FF ing cheated.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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It is my understanding that they were able to continue to play because of their lawsuit, but they were never cleared by the NCAA.

Sean

I believe they were eventually cleared.
Another player, Dick Decloe, left BU. He played in the 1980 Olympics about seven years later, when all players were amateurs. Or at least considered amateur-enough to play college hockey. So the Jr. As were OK then.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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JP has had a great run but aint no Bear Bryant or for that matter, Jerry York

Jerry York's stock has gone up considerably lately. But for their first 25-30 years, he wasn't even a distant second to Jack Parker in the coaching ranks.

How many Eastern teams have won NCAA ice hockey championships? Which Eastern school has won the most?
It's not that easy.

BU was as dominant in the 1990s and they were in 1970s, except they only won one, instead of three NCAA titles.
The battles with Maine were fantastic, whether Shawn Walsh played it above board or not.

Rating coaches is always in the eye of the beholder. What kind of talent do they get in? And what do they get out of that talent?

 

[sterlippo1]

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Jerry York's stock has gone up considerably lately. But for their first 25-30 years, he wasn't even a distant second to Jack Parker in the coaching ranks.

How many Eastern teams have won NCAA ice hockey championships? Which Eastern school has won the most?
It's not that easy.

BU was as dominant in the 1990s and they were in 1970s, except they only won one, instead of three NCAA titles.
The battles with Maine were fantastic, whether Shawn Walsh played it above board or not.

Rating coaches is always in the eye of the beholder. What kind of talent do they get in? And what do they get out of that talent?

i think it's safe to say that both York and Parker should have a couple more NC's than they have. Heck, IMO BC's two (maybe three) best teams in the past decade, when they were probably the best team in the country, did not win the National Championship

 

[Hokydad]

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Jerry York's stock has gone up considerably lately. But for their first 25-30 years, he wasn't even a distant second to Jack Parker in the coaching ranks.

How many Eastern teams have won NCAA ice hockey championships? Which Eastern school has won the most?
It's not that easy.

BU was as dominant in the 1990s and they were in 1970s, except they only won one, instead of three NCAA titles.
The battles with Maine were fantastic, whether Shawn Walsh played it above board or not.

Rating coaches is always in the eye of the beholder. What kind of talent do they get in? And what do they get out of that talent?

Yes, Parker inherited his old school sooner, was he considered far superior to York the first 25-30 years? No. York was at inferior programs, Clarkson and BG and was natl coach of the year and won a national title. Has more natl championships than Parker and didnt have the luxury of coaching close to 40 years at BU.

Put it this way, in their first 21 years of coaching, 1973-1994, when ork arrived at BC, they both had won a single national championship. Much tougher while coaching at BG and Clarkson vs BU. Look at their records from 2000 on, it is not even close. York has proved he is a far superior coach. Was so from 73-94 as well, just didnt have the good fortune of landing at BC earlier.

I agree the maine/bu series was great hockey and was fun to watch. Few ever tweaked JP like SW did

 

[Agganis]

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the January 4 Harvard game is being moved to January 14th

When I bemoaned BU and Harvard playing twice in 33 days, I should have been more specific on what I didn't like. The hockey gods must have thought they were too far apart as they have now made it twice in 23 days.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I believe they were eventually cleared.
Another player, Dick Decloe, left BU. He played in the 1980 Olympics about seven years later, when all players were amateurs. Or at least considered amateur-enough to play college hockey. So the Jr. As were OK then.

According to <a href=http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=2&xmldoc=19771694436FSupp1258_11505.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985&SizeDisp=7>BUCKTON v. NATIONAL COLLEGIATE ATHLETIC ASSN., 436 F.Supp. 1258 (1977), United States District Court, D. Massachusetts. August 26, 1977</a> the NCAA reinstated the eligibility of Buckton, but not Marzo.

Sean

 

[J.D.]

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When I bemoaned BU and Harvard playing twice in 33 days, I should have been more specific on what I didn't like. The hockey gods must have thought they were too far apart as they have now made it twice in 23 days.

Why is this a problem? It happens in league play all the time. Now, BC playing NU three times in a week last year was a little strange.

Jerry York's stock has gone up considerably lately. But for their first 25-30 years, he wasn't even a distant second to Jack Parker in the coaching ranks.

How many Eastern teams have won NCAA ice hockey championships? Which Eastern school has won the most?
It's not that easy.

BU was as dominant in the 1990s and they were in 1970s, except they only won one, instead of three NCAA titles.
The battles with Maine were fantastic, whether Shawn Walsh played it above board or not.

Rating coaches is always in the eye of the beholder. What kind of talent do they get in? And what do they get out of that talent?

Yes, Parker inherited his old school sooner, was he considered far superior to York the first 25-30 years? No. York was at inferior programs, Clarkson and BG and was natl coach of the year and won a national title. Has more natl championships than Parker and didnt have the luxury of coaching close to 40 years at BU.

Put it this way, in their first 21 years of coaching, 1973-1994, when ork arrived at BC, they both had won a single national championship. Much tougher while coaching at BG and Clarkson vs BU. Look at their records from 2000 on, it is not even close. York has proved he is a far superior coach. Was so from 73-94 as well, just didnt have the good fortune of landing at BC earlier.

Pretty much spot on, hokydad.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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Yes, Parker inherited his old school sooner, was he considered far superior to York the first 25-30 years? No. York was at inferior programs, Clarkson and BG and was natl coach of the year and won a national title. Has more natl championships than Parker and didnt have the luxury of coaching close to 40 years at BU.

Put it this way, in their first 21 years of coaching, 1973-1994, when ork arrived at BC, they both had won a single national championship. Much tougher while coaching at BG and Clarkson vs BU. Look at their records from 2000 on, it is not even close. York has proved he is a far superior coach. Was so from 73-94 as well, just didnt have the good fortune of landing at BC earlier.

I agree the maine/bu series was great hockey and was fun to watch. Few ever tweaked JP like SW did

Head-to-head meetings of their teams, Parker still has a big lead. Beanpots, it isn't even close.

Jerry York's teams have been much more successful over the past decade. Parker had a huge edge in the 1990s, when BU should have won more than one NCAA title.

They are both great coaches, among the elite in college hockey history. Their styles and personalities are quite different, and in a given year, either can have a dominant team.
It still comes down to recruiting. And goaltending.

In recent years, BC's recruiting philosophy seems more geared toward getting players that are more likely to stay for four years (including a lot of good smaller players) mixed with pro prospects. BU seems to go after the pro prospects first, and then fill with role players.
I am already looking forward to this season's games. It is more fun when both teams are really good.
I don't think that either York or Parker have lost their fastballs, and both have battled back from serious health issues.

 

[sterlippo1]

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It is more fun when both teams are really good.

no doubt about it