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Boston University 2011 Offseason

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collegefan06 said:
Talent is there and has been. Success takes more than talent though. I predict another disappointing season...there is no fun in the game of hockey for the players at BU. That is taken away on Comm Avenue.
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BS, do you really think the players at NU are sitting around with Cronin singing "Kum Ba Yah"?

The kids are having just as good a time at BU as they are any other school. It is a very tough grind for every player. BU no different. Based upon the stories, youtube etc, BU players might be having to much fun, thus the issues. Which I also dont believe is true. JP just makes things more public. Others, ijncluding cross town rivals tend to keep it "in house"
 
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Collegefan06 has said he is friends with a former terrier (was in his wedding) and has met other players-- and they all hate Parker.

That is his experience and that's it. So that's were the post and the tone comes from.
 
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JP is an incredible coach. Anyone who says otherwise has to get thier head examined or they are just playing us. BU is a powerhouse program. They have the talent and the coaching. They were young last year. This season I take them to come out on top.
 
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collegefan06 said:
Talent is there and has been. Success takes more than talent though. I predict another disappointing season...there is no fun in the game of hockey for the players at BU. That is taken away on Comm Avenue.
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If your statement is true, why do players still decide to play at BU?

Let's use young Hetnik as an example.

1. His father played for Parker when he was even more authoritarian than he is today, if you believe the testimony of former players who must hate Parker, because all BU players hate the guy from what someone below told us. Wouldn't his dad have warned him off?
2. He played for Bill Hanson at CM, who has had his own disagreements with Parker over the years, reportedly. Wouldn't Hanson have warned him off?

It's astounding to me that if Parker is such a martinet, how is BU still able to recruit players? Can BU only bring in guys that other teams don't want? Guys who have no other options?

The world of high school, prep and junior hockey is a small one. Word and reputations spread quickly. Even to western Canada. There has been a sufficient number of players from all sources over the years that word of Parker's nastiness must have spread far and wide. How is it, then, that young hockey players still enroll at BU? Do they all take a perverse pleasure in being screamed at and treated shabbily?
 
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buoldtimer said:
If your statement is true, why do players still decide to play at BU?

Let's use young Hetnik as an example.

1. His father played for Parker when he was even more authoritarian than he is today, if you believe the testimony of former players who must hate Parker, because all BU players hate the guy from what someone below told us. Wouldn't his dad have warned him off?
2. He played for Bill Hanson at CM, who has had his own disagreements with Parker over the years, reportedly. Wouldn't Hanson have warned him off?

It's astounding to me that if Parker is such a martinet, how is BU still able to recruit players? Can BU only bring in guys that other teams don't want? Guys who have no other options?

The world of high school, prep and junior hockey is a small one. Word and reputations spread quickly. Even to western Canada. There has been a sufficient number of players from all sources over the years that Parker's nastiness must have spread far and wide. How is it, then, that young hockey players still enroll at BU? Do they all take a perverse pleasure in being screamed at and treated shabbily?
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JP is a legend. Playing for him would be a dream come true for any kid! He's a winner and he teaches kids real values! :)
 
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when you have 25-30 kids on a roster, and 12-15 are focussed on, you have a ton of ex first line(in younger days) victims running around
 
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So Anthony D'Angelo Esposito has moved on. Oh well...

As one of the people who have questioned Parker's ability to coach and motivate as of late, I will distinguish between liking the coach and having him coach us to success. I think Parker is still a draw, but I think that players who are choosing between Parker, York, Sooux, and the like don't consider him the be all / end all. I agree with buoldtimer that if players hated him in general, word would spread quickly and we would struggle to land recruits. My bigger concern is that recruits will drop off as the lack of success continues. The numbers have all been out there for a period of time (1 FF in 14 years (14!!), three of the last four years not making the NCAA's and now even a 4th place Beanpot finish). I like Parker, I respect him for all he has done for the program, I know most of his x-players respect him nad have a unique bond with him - but for me that becomes secondary to the results. To paraphrase Gentry - "we are ****ing BU, we should not be pleased with these results".
 
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defkit said:
So Anthony D'Angelo Esposito has moved on. Oh well...

As one of the people who have questioned Parker's ability to coach and motivate as of late, I will distinguish between liking the coach and having him coach us to success. I think Parker is still a draw, but I think that players who are choosing between Parker, York, Sooux, and the like don't consider him the be all / end all. I agree with buoldtimer that if players hated him in general, word would spread quickly and we would struggle to land recruits. My bigger concern is that recruits will drop off as the lack of success continues. The numbers have all been out there for a period of time (1 FF in 14 years (14!!), three of the last four years not making the NCAA's and now even a 4th place Beanpot finish). I like Parker, I respect him for all he has done for the program, I know most of his x-players respect him nad have a unique bond with him - but for me that becomes secondary to the results. To paraphrase Gentry - "we are ****ing BU, we should not be pleased with these results".
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Jack Parker is the hockey version of Joe Paterno. He's a legend at his institution, but it means they can never get rid of them and are at the mercy of letting both retire on their own terms which apparently will never happen. I wonder how they both individually felt about Brett Favre's return year in and year out.
 
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Onion Man said:
Jack Parker is the hockey version of Joe Paterno. He's a legend at his institution, but it means they can never get rid of them and are at the mercy of letting both retire on their own terms which apparently will never happen. I wonder how they both individually felt about Brett Favre's return year in and year out.
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as the originator of "jackpa" (which you guys use on EA with NO attribution :mad: :D), let me address this.

unlike the original jackpa (or OJP), our jackpa has won something recently. OJP has not.

unfortunately, jackpa is a slightly more abrasive version verbally towards his players than OJP.

jackpa has shown that he has the ability to get players into the professional ranks (as witnessed by the six or seven (i lose count...) of the 2009 team to play nhl hockey). since it is much tougher for college hockey players to make the nhl than college football players to make the nfl (yes, obviously... but this is my argument), he gets the benefit of the doubt with kids and their cabal of advisors and parents who are trying to herd them into a path to the nhl.

but to your point that he will go when he decides to and he is left to first inflict whatever damage he might before hand.... yes, that is out there and true. if we have a third straight year with no tournament spot.... ouch. two in a row is not acceptable. not sure when the gophs are doing with their situation either as they just extended tDon, i believe. but no matter, but situations are not as rosy as bc has (though honestly, nobody does).

i'd like to think jackpa would gladly retire to a house in the Caribbean and sail his boat daily... but the grandkids may in fact keep him local.... and bored in the winter. what better way to fill that boredom than with hockey!!!

it is the 1,000 lb elephant in the room......
 
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defkit said:
So Anthony D'Angelo Esposito has moved on. Oh well...

As one of the people who have questioned Parker's ability to coach and motivate as of late, I will distinguish between liking the coach and having him coach us to success. I think Parker is still a draw, but I think that players who are choosing between Parker, York, Sooux, and the like don't consider him the be all / end all. I agree with buoldtimer that if players hated him in general, word would spread quickly and we would struggle to land recruits. My bigger concern is that recruits will drop off as the lack of success continues. The numbers have all been out there for a period of time (1 FF in 14 years (14!!), three of the last four years not making the NCAA's and now even a 4th place Beanpot finish). I like Parker, I respect him for all he has done for the program, I know most of his x-players respect him nad have a unique bond with him - but for me that becomes secondary to the results. To paraphrase Gentry - "we are ****ing BU, we should not be pleased with these results".
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I think you generally said it pretty well. Off the ice I believe that most players for the most part respect JP. That said, he no longer has much of a relationship with any of BU's recent graduates. One NHLer who had significant NHL success hasn't heard word one from JP since he left the program whereas other college coaches of his friends reach out and maintain a relationship post college. I'm not saying its wrong its just the way it is. From what the long term fans say here this is a departure from players earlier in JP's career.

From direct comments (multiple including current NHL'ers to non-pro prospects from BU) the common theme/complaint is JP's control freak approach that runs players lives much more than any other program. This isn't the best analogy but if you treat them like children they often behave like children. If I had to single out another specific complaint I hear it is the lack of time to de-compress as a player or have mental downtime when the season ends. Rules are enforced virtually year round, workouts start a week following the end of the season...there's just no break and I believe that leads to mental burn out, playing eratically and mental errors.

Again, I'm not saying any of this is "wrong" as it's my personal opinion versus the other strong opinions expressed here. It is also my opinion as I've stated here before that college sports is much different than it was a decade ago or two or three. Kids are training year round in one sport when they are 10 years old and eventually the stress and pressure takes its toll. I believe coaches that can create balance in their players lives will have more success. There are also many more prima dona personalities to deal with and meshing those egos into a team is very dificult for a coach-particularly one that doesn't relate well to his players.

I think most here would say that BU will be very highly rated entering next season. For all you Parker worshipers, if I'm right and the Terriers underperform again next year, what will the excuse be this time? When will the rose colored glasses come off?

If I'm wrong (and I hope I am) and the Terriers play to their vast potential I will quickly man up and say I was wrong.
 
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mookie1995 said:
Collegefan06 has said he is friends with a former terrier (was in his wedding) and has met other players-- and they all hate Parker.

That is his experience and that's it. So that's were the post and the tone comes from.
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Sounds like an interview that would come out of National Enquirer mookie. Facts are not quite lined up but I guess that's never stopped you.
 
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collegefan06 said:
I think most here would say that BU will be very highly rated entering next season. For all you Parker worshipers, if I'm right and the Terriers underperform again next year, what will the excuse be this time? When will the rose colored glasses come off?

If I'm wrong (and I hope I am) and the Terriers play to their vast potential I will quickly man up and say I was wrong.
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If you have been reading this board, you understand that not too many have rose (or Scarlet) colored glasses anymore. Seems like most have serious concerns about the direction of the program. In fact, even if BU does very well next season, those concerns will probably still be there. The program has been inconsistent. A good season in 11-12' will not really change that. I think we need to see several strong seasons in a row.
 
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collegefan06 said:
From direct comments (multiple including current NHL'ers to non-pro prospects from BU) the common theme/complaint is JP's control freak approach that runs players lives much more than any other program.
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I have no direct knowledge, but I recall reading/hearing in the past that Coach York mandated that all his players must be clean shaven and keep their hair short. I have no idea if it is true, but BC players are usually well groomed. Also, Coach York stated last year that all the players went to the daily mass. I don;t recall if it was required, but it sounded liek it was expected.

Sean
 
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Sean Pickett said:
I have no direct knowledge, but I recall reading/hearing in the past that Coach York mandated that all his players must be clean shaven and keep their hair short. I have no idea if it is true, but BC players are usually well groomed. Also, Coach York stated last year that all the players went to the daily mass. I don;t recall if it was required, but it sounded liek it was expected.

Sean
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True, at least for the facial hair and short hair part, but they also know that upfront when they're being recruited.

Do the BU players show up with a set of expectations and experience a culture shock once they are inside of the program and property of one Mr. Jack A. Parker??
 
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