Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
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Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
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Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Agee on all counts, Dave. I was shocked about Brown and am still a bit weirded out that they've never regained traction. (And are in last place to boot.) Needless to say, I certainly hope the same doesn't happen to Dartmouth.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
All of the above, I believe and more. Start with the loss of 7 players, incl. our 3-yr+ starting goalie, from graduation. Two more players are not at school this year (expected to return next season). Typical for a young team to be inconsistent, and they have been. We have had several injuries; probably the one having most impact has been Foley. And at some point I think it becomes mental: a team starts playing not to lose, as they saying goes, and that's counterproductive.
All of the above, I believe and more. Start with the loss of 7 players, incl. our 3-yr+ starting goalie, from graduation. Two more players are not at school this year (expected to return next season). Typical for a young team to be inconsistent, and they have been. We have had several injuries; probably the one having most impact has been Foley. And at some point I think it becomes mental: a team starts playing not to lose, as they saying goes, and that's counterproductive.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Hudak has been on the coaching staff for over ten years and was involved in getting the top players of earlier years to commit to dartmouth. So I don't think that's an issue, but there certainly is more competition for top recruits as the scholarship schools get stronger. The coaching staff made adjustments this season for the lack of experience on defense; this meant that all the players, not just the newcomers, had to learn new systems. I think this was a difficult situation and probably led to lack of confidence. combine that with schools like Cornell being so much stronger this year and we just got into a downward spiral.
The team did play very well against RPI in the 2-1 loss as well as in the victory over Union, so let's hope the trend will start to reverse itself.
Hoping it will be the latter!
Hudak has been on the coaching staff for over ten years and was involved in getting the top players of earlier years to commit to dartmouth. So I don't think that's an issue, but there certainly is more competition for top recruits as the scholarship schools get stronger. The coaching staff made adjustments this season for the lack of experience on defense; this meant that all the players, not just the newcomers, had to learn new systems. I think this was a difficult situation and probably led to lack of confidence. combine that with schools like Cornell being so much stronger this year and we just got into a downward spiral.
The team did play very well against RPI in the 2-1 loss as well as in the victory over Union, so let's hope the trend will start to reverse itself.
papulaisle
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Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Overall, so far, this isn't as good a Dartmouth 'team' as some of us had hoped for, especially in that the defense has not matched up with the offense. As we all expected, it is very good team on offense with Trunzo, Parsons, Cunningham alone, say.
For instance, Parsons currently seventh nationally, in points per game, is leading the ECAC. Cunningham scored four goals last night. Shots on goal per game lead the league. A somewhat usual stat for Dartmouth. In power play goals Dartmouth and Cornell lead the league percentage wise-both are effective more than twenty percent of the time (the only two over twenty percent.)
The Green also leads the league (all games) in PIM per game at 11.7 and this may be a sign of their distress. Desperate measures not succeeding in keeping opponents from scoring but add up to more penalty minutes. Has some improved of late. Harvard at 8.6 minutes and Cornell at 7.7 minutes as a comparison.
Also it is not at goal (only) where improvement needs to come. Yes, Harvard has the impressive Kessler and Clarkson, Dahm. Dartmouth had Clemis last year at the end of a long rein at goal and Lacina has now been thrust into that position while Coach Hudak hopes to see Woodcox mature. But as said by others above, the team lost three very, very able senior defensmen in Newman, Bronson and Gray last year. Look only as far as Cornell with the difference Freshmen Fortino and Rougeau have made on defense (AND last night they accounted for seven points between them against Colgate.)
In watching Dartmouth there doesn't seem to be a strong defensive posture yet. I saw the game at Quinnipiac, others on the 'net', the potential for breakaways (alone) kept me on edge, concerned. Dartmouth has Sasha Nanji growing into her position but I think she needs solid help, help which hasn't yet emerged.
But...don't cry for me (yet) Argentina!
I have not found them wanting over the years.
Their very fine effort in coming together and winning the ECAC tournament last year as an example.
These women and their coach pretty much always eventually make me proud!
Overall, so far, this isn't as good a Dartmouth 'team' as some of us had hoped for, especially in that the defense has not matched up with the offense. As we all expected, it is very good team on offense with Trunzo, Parsons, Cunningham alone, say.
For instance, Parsons currently seventh nationally, in points per game, is leading the ECAC. Cunningham scored four goals last night. Shots on goal per game lead the league. A somewhat usual stat for Dartmouth. In power play goals Dartmouth and Cornell lead the league percentage wise-both are effective more than twenty percent of the time (the only two over twenty percent.)
The Green also leads the league (all games) in PIM per game at 11.7 and this may be a sign of their distress. Desperate measures not succeeding in keeping opponents from scoring but add up to more penalty minutes. Has some improved of late. Harvard at 8.6 minutes and Cornell at 7.7 minutes as a comparison.
Also it is not at goal (only) where improvement needs to come. Yes, Harvard has the impressive Kessler and Clarkson, Dahm. Dartmouth had Clemis last year at the end of a long rein at goal and Lacina has now been thrust into that position while Coach Hudak hopes to see Woodcox mature. But as said by others above, the team lost three very, very able senior defensmen in Newman, Bronson and Gray last year. Look only as far as Cornell with the difference Freshmen Fortino and Rougeau have made on defense (AND last night they accounted for seven points between them against Colgate.)
In watching Dartmouth there doesn't seem to be a strong defensive posture yet. I saw the game at Quinnipiac, others on the 'net', the potential for breakaways (alone) kept me on edge, concerned. Dartmouth has Sasha Nanji growing into her position but I think she needs solid help, help which hasn't yet emerged.
But...don't cry for me (yet) Argentina!
I have not found them wanting over the years.
Their very fine effort in coming together and winning the ECAC tournament last year as an example.
These women and their coach pretty much always eventually make me proud!
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papulaisle
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Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Good win over B C.
Out shot Harvard today, 38/28. Won 29 face offs versus their 22, I think were the numbers. Fewer penalties: three (3) versus five (5) for Harvard.
Real improvement!
Nice job.
Harvard scored once on PP, Dartmouth scoreless.
Again, better as to fewer miscues: play hockey, leave the chippiness in the gym.
Keep working.
Would you play your prospect at goal now versus the senior? Perhaps give her experience?
But don't fix it if it ain't (for sure) broke. Or maybe a fresh start in a new year?
Coach Oberting versus Coach Hudak as recruiters? Maybe not ready to go there. But I thought the 2007 team had a chance to go undefeated. Dartmouth came up big at the 2006 Turin games.
I do not like losing to Harvard.
Is harder still to lose to Harvard at home.
Good win over B C.
Out shot Harvard today, 38/28. Won 29 face offs versus their 22, I think were the numbers. Fewer penalties: three (3) versus five (5) for Harvard.
Real improvement!
Nice job.
Harvard scored once on PP, Dartmouth scoreless.
Again, better as to fewer miscues: play hockey, leave the chippiness in the gym.
Keep working.
Would you play your prospect at goal now versus the senior? Perhaps give her experience?
But don't fix it if it ain't (for sure) broke. Or maybe a fresh start in a new year?
Coach Oberting versus Coach Hudak as recruiters? Maybe not ready to go there. But I thought the 2007 team had a chance to go undefeated. Dartmouth came up big at the 2006 Turin games.
I do not like losing to Harvard.
Is harder still to lose to Harvard at home.
CanHockGuy
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Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Don't fix it, that's all I'm going to say here.
Don't fix it, that's all I'm going to say here.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
I was at Thompson for yesterday's game visiting with my cousin who is a sophomore at Dartmouth. Some observations:
First, while it is true that Dartmouth has offensive weapons, the lack of a finishing touch really hurt them yesterday. They had several close in chances and could not convert. Part of that was terrific goaltending on the part of Bellamy. She made a great save on Parsons at the doorstep sliding over to rob her with her pad.
Also, Lacina is at best an average netminder and that won't get it done for Dartmouth in what is a very competitive ECAC this season.
Two of Harvard's penalties were not warranted and Dartmouth got away with egregious non calls, the worst being a slash of Kaitlin Spurling (she made up for it by scoring the fourth goal). Hometown calls to be sure.
Your D is a problem except for Nanji. She is a talent and will get better over time. But your other D lack some fundamentals and their positioning especially defending against forwards coming down the boards is puzzling. They totally went to sleep on the third Harvard goal when they let Buesser come out in front all alone to roof one over Lacina.
After the game, I had the chance to speak to a gentleman who has followed Dartmouth women's hockey for quite some time. He is not sold on this coaching staff, particularly the assistants. He also recognizes that the admissions office is not going to relax standards to admit less than stellar scholar athletes. He pointed to improvement in programs like Clarkson, RPI and to a lesser extent, Cornell as making it more difficult for Dartmouth to compete nationally and recruit the players they want and need to succeed. While I understand what he is saying, the same holds true for Harvard and other Ivies and so far, the Crimson are doing pretty well despite losing a number of players to graduation last year.
You've got a first class building and very classy fans. I always enjoy my trips to the Upper Valley.
I was at Thompson for yesterday's game visiting with my cousin who is a sophomore at Dartmouth. Some observations:
First, while it is true that Dartmouth has offensive weapons, the lack of a finishing touch really hurt them yesterday. They had several close in chances and could not convert. Part of that was terrific goaltending on the part of Bellamy. She made a great save on Parsons at the doorstep sliding over to rob her with her pad.
Also, Lacina is at best an average netminder and that won't get it done for Dartmouth in what is a very competitive ECAC this season.
Two of Harvard's penalties were not warranted and Dartmouth got away with egregious non calls, the worst being a slash of Kaitlin Spurling (she made up for it by scoring the fourth goal). Hometown calls to be sure.
Your D is a problem except for Nanji. She is a talent and will get better over time. But your other D lack some fundamentals and their positioning especially defending against forwards coming down the boards is puzzling. They totally went to sleep on the third Harvard goal when they let Buesser come out in front all alone to roof one over Lacina.
After the game, I had the chance to speak to a gentleman who has followed Dartmouth women's hockey for quite some time. He is not sold on this coaching staff, particularly the assistants. He also recognizes that the admissions office is not going to relax standards to admit less than stellar scholar athletes. He pointed to improvement in programs like Clarkson, RPI and to a lesser extent, Cornell as making it more difficult for Dartmouth to compete nationally and recruit the players they want and need to succeed. While I understand what he is saying, the same holds true for Harvard and other Ivies and so far, the Crimson are doing pretty well despite losing a number of players to graduation last year.
You've got a first class building and very classy fans. I always enjoy my trips to the Upper Valley.
Dr. Seuss Fan
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Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Harvard indeed was the better team yesterday and they did win. As far as penalties called, it seemed inconsistent at best. I'm sure both sides thought the reffing was against them.
If you check the stats you will notice that the same D pair was out for each of the H goals. They will learn from this and try to make the necessary corrections. It doesn't seem fair of you to be so critical of the Dartmouth defense. It has been noted on this board that the players frequently look at the postings and you sound like you have some kind of a grudge. Hope I am wrong about that, but, please ,these girls are hard enough on themselves without additional criticism from anonymous parents.
Harvard indeed was the better team yesterday and they did win. As far as penalties called, it seemed inconsistent at best. I'm sure both sides thought the reffing was against them.
If you check the stats you will notice that the same D pair was out for each of the H goals. They will learn from this and try to make the necessary corrections. It doesn't seem fair of you to be so critical of the Dartmouth defense. It has been noted on this board that the players frequently look at the postings and you sound like you have some kind of a grudge. Hope I am wrong about that, but, please ,these girls are hard enough on themselves without additional criticism from anonymous parents.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
I don't have a grudge. I'm just offering my view based on what I saw yesterday. Nothing personal and it shouldn't be taken that way. I'm sure they don't like losing either but you are what you are and so far, they aren't that good. Numbers don't lie.
I don't have a grudge. I'm just offering my view based on what I saw yesterday. Nothing personal and it shouldn't be taken that way. I'm sure they don't like losing either but you are what you are and so far, they aren't that good. Numbers don't lie.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Those D are first year players; unfortunately due to circumstainces, including injuries, beyond the team's control, it has not always been possible to pair experienced D with newcomers. It's a very young D squad and yes, they are still learning.
You're right that the players are hard on themselves; to any who are looking, don't stay in the dumps. We have faith in you for the future! You have a chance next weekend to impact your conference standing and go out at home with a bang.
Those D are first year players; unfortunately due to circumstainces, including injuries, beyond the team's control, it has not always been possible to pair experienced D with newcomers. It's a very young D squad and yes, they are still learning.
You're right that the players are hard on themselves; to any who are looking, don't stay in the dumps. We have faith in you for the future! You have a chance next weekend to impact your conference standing and go out at home with a bang.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Thanks, Skate, I hope your cousin is enjoying Dartmouth.
Thanks, Skate, I hope your cousin is enjoying Dartmouth.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
To be sure none of us likes losing to Harvard, of all teams, and it's sad for the senior class to go out with 2 losses to them this year. However we remember the great accomplishments in their past.
I thought the game was pretty even through most of the 1st 2 periods. As has been pointed out, tho, Harvard capitalized on its scoring opportunities and (1 exception) darty did not. After the 3rd Crimson goal, we really seemed to run out of steam.
It's true there are weakness in the defensive end, glaring at times, but I still believe this team is better than their record. Let's finish up strong, Dartmouth!
To be sure none of us likes losing to Harvard, of all teams, and it's sad for the senior class to go out with 2 losses to them this year. However we remember the great accomplishments in their past.
I thought the game was pretty even through most of the 1st 2 periods. As has been pointed out, tho, Harvard capitalized on its scoring opportunities and (1 exception) darty did not. After the 3rd Crimson goal, we really seemed to run out of steam.
It's true there are weakness in the defensive end, glaring at times, but I still believe this team is better than their record. Let's finish up strong, Dartmouth!
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Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
She is having a great time and enjoying life in the Upper Valley (we went to Stella's in Lyme for dinner - great food and a wonderful atmosphere). She is a terrific athlete; played varsity soccer in high school and was on club teams that traveled across the US for tournaments. She rowed crew for the Green last year and this year is trying out for track and field as a long distance runner.
She is having a great time and enjoying life in the Upper Valley (we went to Stella's in Lyme for dinner - great food and a wonderful atmosphere). She is a terrific athlete; played varsity soccer in high school and was on club teams that traveled across the US for tournaments. She rowed crew for the Green last year and this year is trying out for track and field as a long distance runner.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
This is a great point and one that should not be taken lightly. As recruiting intensifies and more schools create or move up to D-1, the ability to connect with young players is a must. Building that relationship and trust takes time and as you say, this is a small world and word gets around. You can see the effects of a negative situation at Brown.
I get what you are saying about the rural location vis a vis Harvard's 'big city' type environment. You can put SLU in that same category and it is interesting to see how they now have formidable competition right down the street from them for recruits. We'll see how this all plays out in the next few years. And of course, let's not forget Mercyhurst. That's about as rural as it gets.
This is a great point and one that should not be taken lightly. As recruiting intensifies and more schools create or move up to D-1, the ability to connect with young players is a must. Building that relationship and trust takes time and as you say, this is a small world and word gets around. You can see the effects of a negative situation at Brown.
I get what you are saying about the rural location vis a vis Harvard's 'big city' type environment. You can put SLU in that same category and it is interesting to see how they now have formidable competition right down the street from them for recruits. We'll see how this all plays out in the next few years. And of course, let's not forget Mercyhurst. That's about as rural as it gets.
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Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Doesn't Erie have a population of at least a couple hundred thousand? If you consider that rural, then there will be a lot of smaller cities that meet that definition in the women's hockey world. That's at least twice the size of the majority of the locations of WCHA schools.
Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010
Have you been there? Actually Mercyhurst isn't nearly as rural as the other schools mentioned....but another big advantage that Mercyhurst, Clarkson and SLU do have (which in some cases more than offsets the negative for many of a small town environment) is that they are within 2-3 hours drive or so of the hotbed of hockey: a high proportion of the top Ontario PWHL recruits. Many kids don't want to move too far from home, maybe because of boyfriends, etc or they're just homebodies so these programs tend to move to the top of the list for that reason alone. Interestingly, Niagara should have the same advantage but this didn't seem to help them to the same extent as the others in recent years-- it seems there were other reasons working against them. With a new coaching staff now, it seems to be helping there too as far as recruiting goes.
Sorry to have highjacked the Dartmouth thread. Regular programming will now resume...
Have you been there? Actually Mercyhurst isn't nearly as rural as the other schools mentioned....but another big advantage that Mercyhurst, Clarkson and SLU do have (which in some cases more than offsets the negative for many of a small town environment) is that they are within 2-3 hours drive or so of the hotbed of hockey: a high proportion of the top Ontario PWHL recruits. Many kids don't want to move too far from home, maybe because of boyfriends, etc or they're just homebodies so these programs tend to move to the top of the list for that reason alone. Interestingly, Niagara should have the same advantage but this didn't seem to help them to the same extent as the others in recent years-- it seems there were other reasons working against them. With a new coaching staff now, it seems to be helping there too as far as recruiting goes.
Sorry to have highjacked the Dartmouth thread. Regular programming will now resume...