Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

[Skate79]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

I don't want to hijack this thread either but I have driven through Erie and my niece played in a volleyball tournament at Mercyhurst two years ago. She couldn't believe how long it took to get there from here and definitely felt it was in no man's land. Okay so maybe Erie isn't the boonies but it isn't exactly a thriving metropolis either. If GE Engines were not investing in that community, they would be harder hit not only in employment but education.

I do agree that it takes a certain type of person to really take to an area like Hanover, NH. If you are not an outdoorsy type and like the small town feel, it probably won't suit you. I don't think boyfriends has anything to do with it. If you want to play for Mark Hudak, think that Thompson is a great rink and like the girls currently in the program, you'll pick Dartmouth assuming the above conditions. If not, you'll go elsewhere. If getting an Ivy degree is not a priority, you'll look to HE or the WCHA especially if you can get an athletic scholarship.

Okay, enough. Let's let the good folks who support the Green have their thread back.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

She couldn't believe how long it took to get there from here and definitely felt it was in no man's land.

So your definition of Rural is how long it takes to get there from another location, in particular from where you reside.? I would consider that either "Far Away" or "Remote", depending on the Reference point.

- If it is a long way from home we call that "Far Away".
- If it is a long way from all places we call that "Remote".
- If it is agricultural or a small village/ low population density it is "Rural".

I recall being in Erie once. Has a nice beach nearby and an amusement park.

Now the Green Team from Erie is Number one. The Big Green has had a tough second half, after a reasonable start. That suggests only a small bit of tinkering is all it would take to get back to the winning ways. They had success in recruiting in the past. It suggests that it can be done again. They already have one of the prime time young D's out of Ontario, and a great recruit out of Quebec in their freshman class. Both these kids will be impact players for the next 3 years.

 

[Trillium]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

So your definition of Rural is how long it takes to get there from another location, in particular from where you reside.?.

LOL. Well OnMAA, I guess if we were to think like Skate, then Boston would have to be considered rural for both of us, wouldn't it?

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

LOL. Well OnMAA, I guess if we were to think like Skate, then Boston would have to be considered rural for both of us, wouldn't it?

Yup....More Rural for you though on two accounts...Comparions to GTA and further away.

Heck, in comparison to where I reside, you could call Hanover a Metropolis.

 

[Dr. Seuss Fan]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

Kudos to you both, OnMaa and Trillium. Have enjoyed your posts over the past few years and look to you both for insightful comments and darn good hockey knowledge.

 

[dave1381]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

I think the important difference in recruiting for Dartmouth vs Harvard and most other Ivys, is that Dartmouth's rural location isn't particularly attractive to a significant proportion of prospective players who'd prefer to be in or near a city of significant size.

For real? If you surveyed the top 50 Canadian recruits in a given year, would most of them have a strong preference for a urban vs. rural location? I've always thought that a lot of Canadians come from rural environments and they're happy to continue to be in rural environments. I'm sure the ones from near Toronto are more inclined to be near cities. Anyway, I don't feel there's a large number of players going to rural schools only in spite of the location.

 

[Hux]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

Heck, in comparison to where I reside, you could call Hanover a Metropolis.

That'll happen when you have a 400' driveway.

 

[ARM]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

- If it is a long way from all places we call that "Remote".

If you surveyed the top 50 Canadian recruits in a given year, would most of them have a strong preference for a urban vs. rural location?

My impression is that for the typical female, maybe more important than urban or rural, is that it not be "remote". Mrs ARM grew up in a location that was very rural and very remote, and by the time she got out of HS, she'd had enough of both in terms of living there. People want to live somewhere that offers the things that they like to do in close proximity, and less 19-year-old women than men are going to list "hunt/fish/camp" higher than "shopping/cinema/dancing".

 

[sheba]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

One very appealing attraction to playing for Dartmouth is the community support shown in the above average attendance at the Women's games -- even when the team is struggling, the faithful still come - this week - over 900 watched the Harvard game and over 660 for the midweek Boston College game - other weekend games they average even more. Compared to local Boston teams that are lucky to get 100 - half being parents and family -- and there certainly is a more fun environment to enjoy a game - imagine a real snack bar! Dartmouth has alot to offer academically and there is alot more to the college experience than athletics - and recruiting isn't as much an issue as admission.

Adversity is tough - its not fun to lose.. the girls feel the disappointment without some of the unkind comments made here. Life's lessons may hurt at times - remember some days you can be the pigeon and other times you are the statue.. Maybe the Big Green will miss the playoffs, maybe they can have a miraculous come back, whatever happens, they still have the most loyal attendance and best fan support in the EAST!! GO BIG GREEN!!!

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

For real? If you surveyed the top 50 Canadian recruits in a given year, would most of them have a strong preference for a urban vs. rural location? I've always thought that a lot of Canadians come from rural environments and they're happy to continue to be in rural environments. I'm sure the ones from near Toronto are more inclined to be near cities. Anyway, I don't feel there's a large number of players going to rural schools only in spite of the location.

Agree with you. If you look at the rosters of the more Rural based D1 teams, you will find a lot of NON-GTA recruits and kids from Western Canada. Now that is not a one size fits all, as some GTA players go rural and some rural players go urban.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

Kudos to you both, OnMaa and Trillium. Have enjoyed your posts over the past few years and look to you both for insightful comments and darn good hockey knowledge.

Thanks for the compliment. Too bad some on another team thread don't seem to have the same sentiments.

 

[Skate79]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

One very appealing attraction to playing for Dartmouth is the community support shown in the above average attendance at the Women's games -- even when the team is struggling, the faithful still come - this week - over 900 watched the Harvard game and over 660 for the midweek Boston College game - other weekend games they average even more. Compared to local Boston teams that are lucky to get 100 - half being parents and family -- and there certainly is a more fun environment to enjoy a game - imagine a real snack bar! Dartmouth has alot to offer academically and there is alot more to the college experience than athletics - and recruiting isn't as much an issue as admission.

Harvard averages about 500 fans a game and has a decent snack bar at Bright. Before tossing out numbers, try visiting the Boston schools and their home rinks. You might be pleasantly surprised by the support from fans other than parents and roommates. And the food isn't half bad either.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

One very appealing attraction to playing for Dartmouth is the community support shown in the above average attendance at the Women's games -- even when the team is struggling, the faithful still come - this week - over 900 watched the Harvard game and over 660 for the midweek Boston College game - other weekend games they average even more. Compared to local Boston teams that are lucky to get 100 - half being parents and family -- and there certainly is a more fun environment to enjoy a game - imagine a real snack bar! Dartmouth has alot to offer academically and there is alot more to the college experience than athletics - and recruiting isn't as much an issue as admission.

Adversity is tough - its not fun to lose.. the girls feel the disappointment without some of the unkind comments made here. Life's lessons may hurt at times - remember some days you can be the pigeon and other times you are the statue.. Maybe the Big Green will miss the playoffs, maybe they can have a miraculous come back, whatever happens, they still have the most loyal attendance and best fan support in the EAST!! GO BIG GREEN!!!

Agree on your first Para. Rural communities do a much better job to support their local team. You see the same thing in Canada with minor hockey. Western Canada (The Prairies) are notorious for their excellent community hockey support. In the GTA, most teams are a mere blip on a far horizon. (Except for the Leafs).

Yes losing is not much fun. Great to see the big support for the Big Green by their fan base.

For what it is worth, Hanover is a beautiful place in a beautiful area.

 

[Hux]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

Harvard averages about 500 fans a game and has a decent snack bar at Bright. Before tossing out numbers, try visiting the Boston schools and their home rinks. You might be pleasantly surprised by the support from fans other than parents and roommates. And the food isn't half bad either.

Dude, Sheba has been at waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more rinks than you could imagine, and knows exactly what the turnout is like in the local barns. There is NO Boston team, including the Crimson, that draws close to what Dartmouth does. And the turnout is minimal outside of family at three of the four rinks.

 

[Trillium]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

My impression is that for the typical female, maybe more important than urban or rural, is that it not be "remote". Mrs ARM grew up in a location that was very rural and very remote, and by the time she got out of HS, she'd had enough of both in terms of living there. People want to live somewhere that offers the things that they like to do in close proximity, and less 19-year-old women than men are going to list "hunt/fish/camp" higher than "shopping/cinema/dancing".

This. Most definitely.

 

[dave1381]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

This. Most definitely.

Ok, I know women who grew up in rural area who couldn't wait to get away, and I know women who grew up in rural areas who hated cities and went north every weekend while working in Boston.

I have no idea exactly what the divide is among women's hockey players from rural areas.

But I do feel like I listened to more than a few of Brian's USCHO Game of the Week second intermission interviews with Dartmouth or SLU players in which the athlete said they choose so-and-so school because it had a small-town environment just like home.

But I can't rule out the possibility that you're right, this is a huge disadvantage, and that these schools are picking from a smaller pool. The idea that Cornell's rise came more at Dartmouth's expense than Harvard's makes a lot of sense.

 

[ARM]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

Ok, I know women who grew up in rural area who couldn't wait to get away, and I know women who grew up in rural areas who hated cities and went north every weekend while working in Boston.

I agree that some people like living in a small town, or small town feel, while others enjoy a little more of an urban beat. Often a college campus has a personality of its own even within a city.

But I think it is more than just size. For example, Durham, NH and Bemidji, MN are roughly the same size. If one attends UNH and desires access to urban features, they aren't that far away. At Bemidji St. ... I think that OnMAA's term "remote" truly applies. I think that is a location that is appealing to a lower % of potential recruits. Having never been to Hanover, I'm guessing that it isn't as remote as Bemidji, though quite a bit more so than Durham. I still think it is that remoteness, rather than the size, at which recruits are likely to balk.

 

[gotice]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

Thanks for the compliment. Too bad some on another team thread don't seem to have the same sentiments.

Have no fear, more poster's enjoy your posts than not.

 

[gotice]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

One very appealing attraction to playing for Dartmouth is the community support shown in the above average attendance at the Women's games -- even when the team is struggling, the faithful still come - this week - over 900 watched the Harvard game and over 660 for the midweek Boston College game - other weekend games they average even more. Compared to local Boston teams that are lucky to get 100 - half being parents and family -- and there certainly is a more fun environment to enjoy a game - imagine a real snack bar! Dartmouth has alot to offer academically and there is alot more to the college experience than athletics - and recruiting isn't as much an issue as admission.

Adversity is tough - its not fun to lose.. the girls feel the disappointment without some of the unkind comments made here. Life's lessons may hurt at times - remember some days you can be the pigeon and other times you are the statue.. Maybe the Big Green will miss the playoffs, maybe they can have a miraculous come back, whatever happens, they still have the most loyal attendance and best fan support in the EAST!! GO BIG GREEN!!!

Great post.

 

[Skate79]

Re: Big Green ! Dartmouth Women ' s Hockey , 2009 - 2010

Dude, Sheba has been at waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more rinks than you could imagine, and knows exactly what the turnout is like in the local barns. There is NO Boston team, including the Crimson, that draws close to what Dartmouth does. And the turnout is minimal outside of family at three of the four rinks.

Hux, how about reading the posts for a change? Sheba said that Boston schools don't draw more than 100 fans to their games. That is patently false because the Crimson do draw more than 100 because I've been to the games! Okay by you?

I never said the Crimson match Dartmouth's attendance. Why would they given Dartmouth's location versus Boston-Cambridge in terms of nightlife activity for young people? There is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more to do down here than in Hanover and so of course Dartmouth is going to draw more fans. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.