Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
Agreed.
I don't think the cons were purged, however. I think a couple things happened:
1. We evolved a style of discourse cons aren't used to. It's academic rather than "in your face, soy boy!" If you look at the tenor of most political sites you'll see those patterns repeated in liberal and conservative forums respectively. There's a reason why every tier-1 university in the US skews left. Facts may not have a liberal bias but scientific method and methodical logic without recourse to the supernatural do. We have a couple liberal posters who attack like cons, but for the most part we've cleaned that out over the years. The level of argument and civility here has risen and this seems to catch cons wrong-footed. They're wrestlers playing chess.
2. The other thing, more broadly, is that cons have themselves evolved into a caricature of what they used to be. Even if Bob, Pio et al in the past were sometimes rhetorically dishonest they did at least maintain a Buckleyesque tone of intellectual inquiry. Since the cons lined up behind the indefensible, somewhat with Cheney and now balls deep with Dump, there's no more of that. You get the D-1 thread. Whereas cons once had at least an ostensible reasoned perspective, now they are nothing but malice and projection, like their standard-bearer. So former cons who stuck it out recoiled from the GOP in disgust, like Frum and Schmidt did in RealLife (tm).
I get 90% of my news from this (and the similar ones on the Cafe) forum and one other team-centric, password/account required forum. Either from the comments made by most of the posters I trust as honest brokers regardless of point of view, or via the trustworthy links most post (and again I find that regardless of the point of view of most of the posters). I agree with Kep that this is high art compared to 97% of the rest of the "news-ports" on the internet. Every so often a topic gets out of hand and we start blasting on each other but that quickly goes away and we get back to pointing people to interesting news that we learn from or disseminating useful info that helps up. We all spend too much time here, probably, but frankly this is the 1% of the internet that is good for people versus the 99% that is either useless or bad. We might be a little too homogeneous at times, but I think there are a handful of at least former conservative folk in here (on many topics I used to fall into that category) who sort of balance it out, and a few who might still fall more along the center-right spectrum who offer their perspective when we don't shout them down.
Agreed.
I don't think the cons were purged, however. I think a couple things happened:
1. We evolved a style of discourse cons aren't used to. It's academic rather than "in your face, soy boy!" If you look at the tenor of most political sites you'll see those patterns repeated in liberal and conservative forums respectively. There's a reason why every tier-1 university in the US skews left. Facts may not have a liberal bias but scientific method and methodical logic without recourse to the supernatural do. We have a couple liberal posters who attack like cons, but for the most part we've cleaned that out over the years. The level of argument and civility here has risen and this seems to catch cons wrong-footed. They're wrestlers playing chess.
2. The other thing, more broadly, is that cons have themselves evolved into a caricature of what they used to be. Even if Bob, Pio et al in the past were sometimes rhetorically dishonest they did at least maintain a Buckleyesque tone of intellectual inquiry. Since the cons lined up behind the indefensible, somewhat with Cheney and now balls deep with Dump, there's no more of that. You get the D-1 thread. Whereas cons once had at least an ostensible reasoned perspective, now they are nothing but malice and projection, like their standard-bearer. So former cons who stuck it out recoiled from the GOP in disgust, like Frum and Schmidt did in RealLife (tm).
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