What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Osorojo said:
Those who demand the NCAA punish PSU expect an athletic organization to usurp 4,000 years of criminal law. Criminal law, not the NCAA, will punish the guilty.
Click to expand...

well you have done it, you have finally written something that even I think is just plain dumb.

nobody is hoping that the NCAA usurps criminal law. piling on is not usurping.
I see no problem with the NCAA having their own contractual (and therefore civil) punishments.
Penn State does not have to belong to the NCAA. if Penn State wants to quit its ties with the Association, then the NCAA will have absolutely no power to do anything.... that is not usurpation of anything.

let me ask you this, though... when the state of California found OJ not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, did the Shapiros usurp CRIMINAL law when they sued him is civil court?...

(and the punchline of course is... then becoming the only Jew ever to be awarded a Heisman trophy)
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Spydey629 said:
You.
Click to expand...

just imagine what the penalties would have been had it been announced that the football players were given larger-than-the-rest-of-the-student-body-population pudding sizes when they only had 15 minutes to get in and out of the cafeteria during school breaks.
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

KnowItAll said:
just imagine what the penalties would have been had it been announced that the football players were given larger-than-the-rest-of-the-student-body-population pudding sizes when they only had 15 minutes to get in and out of the cafeteria during school breaks.
Click to expand...

You lost me on that one... :confused:
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

KnowItAll said:
well you have done it, you have finally written something that even I think is just plain dumb.

"nobody is hoping that the NCAA usurps criminal law. piling on is not usurping.
I see no problem with the NCAA having their own contractual (and therefore civil) punishments.
Penn State does not have to belong to the NCAA. if Penn State wants to quit its ties with the Association, then the NCAA will have absolutely no power to do anything.... that is not usurpation of anything."

KIA: The hypothetical culture which condoned outrages at PSU likely considers NCAA sanctions would atone for the actions, and even worse, the inactions committed by PSU officials. No way. Punishments administered by criminal law, civil law, or the NCAA will neither absolve PSU's guilt nor repair her lost reputation. To do this the university must be proactive: accept accountability and act, not react, to insure greed does not resurrect the mindset which condones a moral vacuum. No action by any other entity can restore PSU's good name; only the University itself can do that. What's the hold up?
Click to expand...
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

I need to start paying attention to who made the last post in these threads when they pop up as having new responses...before I actually click the button. :rolleyes:
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

I believe it will have an impact. I believe it will be very minor, and subtle. And I believe it will be very shortlived.

You have to believe that the past year, and probably at least the next year, has been and will be very awkward for the recruiting staff at PSU Hockey. They show up in a recruit's house, meet the parents, show up at a practice, and start pitching the PSU hockey program. But, of course, there is that little thing the parents, the recruit and the coaches will not bring up during the meeting. But it sits there, silently and awkwardly, as everyone skirts around it and pretends it doesn't exist. That little thing is the Sandusky events, and PSU's poor handling thereafter. And when it comes time to make a decision, at least subconciously the recruit and the family may recall that awkwardness.

Will it cause all, or even a high percentage of recruits to shy away from a D-I scholarship at a Big 10 hockey program. Not likely. There might be one or two, over the course of a couple of years who when weighing similar options from two or more programs will just elect to cross PSU off the list. But overall, it won't be any sort of significant boycott or avoidance. The kids who PSU will likely see, anyway, will not be the top 10 recruits considering Michigan, Minnesota, etc... They'll be recruits looking at PSU versus Western Michigan. The allure of the Big 10 will help counter some of the problem.

It's going to last either until the next big scandal, or until the final outcome of the civil claims against PSU, whichever comes first. In any event, by the time PSU starts playing hockey, it will be gone.
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

SJHovey said:
It's going to last either until the next big scandal, or until the final outcome of the civil claims against PSU, whichever comes first. In any event, by the time PSU starts playing hockey, it will be gone.
Click to expand...
You think the civil claims will be resolved by Oct 12 game vs. AIC? I'm thinking more like 5 years from now...
 
SJHovey said:
I believe it will have an impact. I believe it will be very minor, and subtle. And I believe it will be very shortlived.

You have to believe that the past year, and probably at least the next year, has been and will be very awkward for the recruiting staff at PSU Hockey. They show up in a recruit's house, meet the parents, show up at a practice, and start pitching the PSU hockey program. But, of course, there is that little thing the parents, the recruit and the coaches will not bring up during the meeting. But it sits there, silently and awkwardly, as everyone skirts around it and pretends it doesn't exist. That little thing is the Sandusky events, and PSU's poor handling thereafter. And when it comes time to make a decision, at least subconciously the recruit and the family may recall that awkwardness.

Will it cause all, or even a high percentage of recruits to shy away from a D-I scholarship at a Big 10 hockey program. Not likely. There might be one or two, over the course of a couple of years who when weighing similar options from two or more programs will just elect to cross PSU off the list. But overall, it won't be any sort of significant boycott or avoidance. The kids who PSU will likely see, anyway, will not be the top 10 recruits considering Michigan, Minnesota, etc... They'll be recruits looking at PSU versus Western Michigan. The allure of the Big 10 will help counter some of the problem.

It's going to last either until the next big scandal, or until the final outcome of the civil claims against PSU, whichever comes first. In any event, by the time PSU starts playing hockey, it will be gone.
Click to expand...

This will have ZERO effect on recruiting at other B1G programs.
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

SJHovey said:
Nope. I think the next big scandal will have arrived by then.
Click to expand...
Another scandal isn't going to make this go away. Penn St. will forever be known as the school that let children get raped, just like Kent St. is still known as the school where students were shot.
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

bigblue_dl said:
Another scandal isn't going to make this go away. Penn St. will forever be known as the school that let children get raped, just like Kent St. is still known as the school where students were shot.
Click to expand...

How many people under 30 know that that don't research, "Ohio"?
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Slap Shot said:
How many people under 30 know that that don't research, "Ohio"?
Click to expand...

well nobody under 30 was there... :D how many people under 30 have to research the civil war to know anything about it :p
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

MUhawks628 said:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/19/report-big-ten-could-kick-out-penn-state/

Let the dreaming commence...
Click to expand...
I predict that nothing will happen to PSU - Nada... There will be no death penalty - they will not get kicked out of the B1G either, any talk about this is just an idle threat. I predict that there will be a minor slap on the wrist from the NCAA and B1G and that will be it.
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

mookie1995 said:
well nobody under 30 was there... :D how many people under 30 have to research the civil war to know anything about it :p
Click to expand...

True, but something tells me every kid learns about the Civil War in class.
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Goon said:
I predict that nothing will happen to PSU - Nada... There will be no death penalty - they will not get kicked out of the B1G either, any talk about this is just an idle threat. I predict that there will be a minor slap on the wrist from the NCAA and B1G and that will be it.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, you could be right. In my opnion a mere "slap on the hand" would be a travesty. In terms of the affect on hockey? I think this fresh emerging sport provides the opportunity for the campus community and fans to rally around a fresh uncontaminated program and help with the healing process.
 
Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Patronick said:
For the next two decades, they're a shell of their former selves.
Click to expand...

This strikes me as revenge moreso than anything productive.

American society tends to want revenge an awful lot. But revenge doesn't do much. What we should look for is not bringing the hammer down, but seeing if a person, or institution, that has done wrong has taken the necessary steps to reform.

Let's face it; the truth likely lies somewhere between "JoePa was a saint" and "JoePa was Satan incarnate". Anyone who espouses the latter view is just as wrong as someone espousing the former.


Powers &8^]
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top