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Alright....so how do NCAA invitations shake out?

I'm assuming that the "close with Mercyhurst" only applies to the BC loses scenario, not the Minnesota wins case. Minnesota is ahead of the Lakers right now, and a hypothetical win over Wisconsin should count for more than one over Syracuse.
Yes, yes. Thanks for the clarification.

In other sports, committees are always talking about a team's "body of work". Mercyhurst has the impressive OT win on the road over Cornell. That is backed up by ... a split with Bemidji? A split with SLU? If just hammering on the bottom half of the D-I teams is good enough to get home ice, then teams should really attempt to schedule softer, because these criteria will reward wins more so than quality of opposition.
I should have been clearer. Minnesota and Mercyhurst are only close now if one takes as naive and stupid a view of common opponents as the USCHO pairwise rankings. I believe the committee is smarter than that.

I take a slightly different future scheduling implication: if Mercyhurst gets home ice over Minnesota based on a faulty interpretation of common opponents (where a 5th win over Wayne State is as good as any win over Wisconsin), top WCHA teams should stop scheduling CHA opponents.

But again I do trust the committee to get it right. The change in selection criteria to record vs. RPI top 12 I think was largely designed not to give Mercyhurst too much credit for sweeping .500ish CHA teams, so I can't imagine they'd take such a dim interpretation of the common opponents comparison.
 
I should also add that BC needs to beat BU in the Hockey East final, not Northeastern, to have a serious shot at home ice.
 
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Does BU's loss to Northeastern help Mercyhurst's cause for a home game next week?
 
I should also add that BC needs to beat BU in the Hockey East final, not Northeastern, to have a serious shot at home ice.

I need to amend this a bit.

I believe the Northeastern win clearly clinches home ice for Minnesota, because it prevents BC from adding another glowing win over BU to their resume.

The result is also huge because it increases the chance that the Gophers get the 3 seed instead of 4 and avoids Wisconsin until the NCAA final.

BU has clinched #3 in the Pairwise Rankings but the committee really has to consider lowering their position because of Philip-Poulin's health, which they are permitted to do. I don't know what's fair here -- maybe #6 because that's halfway in between the position they earned and #9, the kind of team they are now.

If so BC and Mercyhurst are alive for one more home ice spot and Mercyhurst likely wraps it up with a CHA title.
 
On further thought' I think.a fair way to consider the injuries is to give BU's pairwise rivals a point for a "injury comparison"

This would knock BU behind Minnesota, Mercyhurst, and BC, but not UMD. Actually it puts them at #6, precisely what I first suggested.
 
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Hmm, very interesting to read all of your analysis dave. Wanted to say thank you also as I'm sure many other posters/fans are curious about these things but don't know where to find the answers.

I'm excited for the NCAA tourney, my only hope is that we can avoid intraconference games. I know traveling is a consideration for the committee but it's just no fun if you're playing a team you've already played 3-4 times already.
 
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Yup -- at 2-1 Providence late in the 3rd, it looked like it was all over for Dartmouth. Still need one more win from BC. Not that they can play with Wisconsin if they get in...
 
Alright....so how do NCAA invitations shake out?

Congratulations to Cornell for ECAC Tournament win!

ECAC Tourney needs championship game at neutral site.

Green selection to NCAA Tourney shows what grit, grinding, can-does, will always-do for you (Big Red appears to have remembered to bring it today).

Dart was 9 and 8 Jan. 15. Then began to work-appears.
What an amazing job!
:)

Hoping-hopping?-Coach H. and his fab staff will share some of that juju with women's lacrosse. Saw them today at Yale. Not impressive, (I hope) yet! Pesky UPenn shocked Carolina 10/7 in Philly.

My thanks to you also, Dave (AWA, Arm!)

As well as...
 
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In terms of precedent of teams who suffered injuries, I forgot to mention Kessler's injury to Harvard last year. Harvard still got to host last year despite it. I don't think Harvard's results dipped nearly as badly as BU's this February. But the Harvard example last year does suggest BU's probably not going to be losing home ice.
 
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ECAC Tourney needs championship game at neutral site.

That is the benefit of winning the regular season title in the ECAC. Had Dartmouth faced Quinnipiac in the championship game Dartmouth would have hosted as it would have been the highest remaining seed in the tournament.
 
Re: Alright....so how do NCAA invitations shake out?

Ok, I just wanted to do one more comprehensive post on what I think will happen for NCAA selections.

First, I'll requote the NCAA criteria just so we're all on the same page. I omitted some RPI detalis for brevity.

The committee will evaluate a team’s season performance using the categories below.

• Rating Percentage Index (RPI)
• Head-to-head competition;
• Results versus common opponents; and
• Results against teams in the RPI top 12.

During the selection process, each of the above criteria will carry one point except
head-to-head competition, which will carry the number of points equal to the net difference in the results of these games (e.g., if Team A defeats Team B three out of four games, Team A would receive two points in the selection process). When comparing two teams, the committee reserves the right to weight criteria differently based on relative team performance. For example, if there is only a tiny fraction of a difference two teams records vs. common opponents, and a large difference in their results vs. teams under consideration, the committee may weight results vs. teams under consideration more heavily that common opponents.

In situations where a high impact player is unavailable, the committee may consider
this as part of its evaluation of the above criteria.

So I'll look at two cases (1) BC wins Hockey East, (2) Northeastern wins Hockey East

BC wins Hockey East

The final USCHO Pairwise Rankings will look like

1. Wisconsin
2. Cornell
3. BU
4. Mercyhurst
5. Minnesota
6. BC
7. UMD
8. Dartmouth

Are there any departures from the PWR for the committee? As ARM & I discussed earlier in the thread, I expect the committee to recognize the Minnesota's results vs. the RPI top 12 and vs. common opponents are clearly superior to Mercyhurst's and give Minnesota home ice accordingly.

I really don't see any other cases where the committee would see things differently than the PWR.

So this suggests a bracket of

Dartmouth at (1) Wisconsin
Mercyhurst at (4) Minnesota

UMD at (2) Cornell
BC at (3) BU

Would the committee go out of its way to swap out BC and avoid the intra-Hockey East matchup? I'm skeptical that they would. I think the fact BU and BC didn't play in the postseason already will help.

Northeastern wins Hockey East

Analysis same as above except now BC's RPI falls below UMD's, so I'd figure on a bracket of

Northeastern at (1) Wisconsin
Mercyhurst at (4) Minnesota

BC at (2) Cornell
UMD at (3) BU

A few other random thoughts

I thought at some times today maybe the committee would consider lowering BU's seed because of their recent struggles and Poulin's injury, but it seems hard to imagine them doing that since they still gave Harvard home ice without Kessler last year.

I thought there may be some case for putting Minnesota at No. 3 earlier today, but I think it's really hard for the committee to rank Minnesota above BU when Minnesota beats BU in none of the selection criteria. Maybe it could have been different if Minnesota won the WCHA title.

Imagine if...

The NCAA instead of its actual criteria used
(1) a statistical method for rankings instead of the RPI that property handles strength-of-schedule
(2) some kind of strength-of-schedule version of common opponents & record vs. teams under consideration

What would the tournament look like?

BC or Northeastern at (1) Wisconsin
Mercyhurst at (4) Minnesota-Duluth

North Dakota at (2) Cornell
BU at (3) Minnesota

Honestly I like that tournament a lot better, and I think Cornell and Minnesota should be on the other side of the bracket than Wisconsin.

This was the most successful WCHA to date and the NCAA criteria just completely miss that.
 
Re: Alright....so how do NCAA invitations shake out?

Ok, I just wanted to do one more comprehensive post on what I think will happen for NCAA selections.

First, I'll requote the NCAA criteria just so we're all on the same page. I omitted some RPI detalis for brevity.



So I'll look at two cases (1) BC wins Hockey East, (2) Northeastern wins Hockey East

BC wins Hockey East

The final USCHO Pairwise Rankings will look like

1. Wisconsin
2. Cornell
3. BU
4. Mercyhurst
5. Minnesota
6. BC
7. UMD
8. Dartmouth

Are there any departures from the PWR for the committee? As ARM & I discussed earlier in the thread, I expect the committee to recognize the Minnesota's results vs. the RPI top 12 and vs. common opponents are clearly superior to Mercyhurst's and give Minnesota home ice accordingly.

I really don't see any other cases where the committee would see things differently than the PWR.

So this suggests a bracket of

Dartmouth at (1) Wisconsin
Mercyhurst at (4) Minnesota

UMD at (2) Cornell
BC at (3) BU

Would the committee go out of its way to swap out BC and avoid the intra-Hockey East matchup? I'm skeptical that they would. I think the fact BU and BC didn't play in the postseason already will help.

Northeastern wins Hockey East

Analysis same as above except now BC's RPI falls below UMD's, so I'd figure on a bracket of

Northeastern at (1) Wisconsin
Mercyhurst at (4) Minnesota

BC at (2) Cornell
UMD at (3) BU

A few other random thoughts

I thought at some times today maybe the committee would consider lowering BU's seed because of their recent struggles and Poulin's injury, but it seems hard to imagine them doing that since they still gave Harvard home ice without Kessler last year.

I thought there may be some case for putting Minnesota at No. 3 earlier today, but I think it's really hard for the committee to rank Minnesota above BU when Minnesota beats BU in none of the selection criteria. Maybe it could have been different if Minnesota won the WCHA title.

Imagine if...

The NCAA instead of its actual criteria used
(1) a statistical method for rankings instead of the RPI that property handles strength-of-schedule
(2) some kind of strength-of-schedule version of common opponents & record vs. teams under consideration

What would the tournament look like?

BC or Northeastern at (1) Wisconsin
Mercyhurst at (4) Minnesota-Duluth

North Dakota at (2) Cornell
BU at (3) Minnesota

Honestly I like that tournament a lot better, and I think Cornell and Minnesota should be on the other side of the bracket than Wisconsin.

This was the most successful WCHA to date and the NCAA criteria just completely miss that.

I, unfortunately, think a BC @ BU game is also in the cards since the committee sent Cornell to Harvard last year. Was hoping to get to watch some of the other elite talent out there but I guess it'll have to be Stack and Schaus again.
 
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Pal, please expain your post... thanks

Friend of Pap's perhaps ? ...Just saying Paleopitus and Papulaisle...Must be a Darty thing :D .....Watched the game today. Impressed with Trunzo. Hope Darty makes it into the tourney.
 
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Congratulations to Cornell for ECAC Tournament win!

ECAC Tourney needs championship game at neutral site. ...

Congrats to Cornell indeed. Two comments WRT the location...
1 - First seed earns the right to host championship game or tournament as it should be
2 - Full House at Lynah today. Good atmosphere and the Band rocked.
 
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