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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

No one should be surprised someone got shot by a sniper at a rally? How many times has this happened before that makes it unsurprising?

I have no love lost for MAGA cultists and when it comes to say them getting ****ed over by the unintended consequences of bad legislation and things like that I'm on board with laughing at them. But at the end of the day he was a human being and being ignorant or uneducated shouldn't be a death sentence. You sound like the idiots that say, "oh well he shouldn't have run from the cops" when an unarmed suspect gets shot in the back fleeing the police.

I said not surprised. And I'm not. I'm also not surprised in your hypothetical. I'm sad that he got shot, and I feel for the family, but he along with everyone else would have been better off if they just stayed home instead of engaging in evil, hateful, spiteful, KKK gatherings.
 
This makes you sound just as bad as the average MAGA wearing a '**** your feelings' t-shirt or when they claim Democrats are un-American.

One main difference, the MAGAts ARE un-American. They believe in authoritarianism and fascism. They are bigots. And the best I can say about any of them, perhaps the ones who are not actively seeking to oppress those they see as less than human is they are the equivalent of the "good Germans." Just how far has "when they go low we go high" gotten us anyway.

Just like with covid having an outsized kill effect on trumpers, I make no apologies for not minding a trump supporter -- a true believing diehard from the looks of it -- biting the dust at a trump rally.

If all of that makes me sound -- or even makes me actually be -- just as bad as an average MAGA wearing a f uc k your feelings t-shirt so be it. I am tired of seeing my country crumble into little by little into a pit of fascism. Fortunately in addition to not giving a frog's fat as s about some trumper finding his way to glory, I am also doing everything I can in my real life to see that it doesn't happen, by helping crews of people trying to end gerrymandering in Ohio, or setting up voter registration drives, or doing what I can to get Sherrod Brown re-elected. When September rolls around 50% of my time will probably be spent on various GOTV initiatives.

Hopefully the vast majority of all of us here are doing something similar. Even if you take one person to vote or to pick up a vote by mail ballot who would not have otherwise voted, you are doubling your effectiveness.
 
https://www.threads.net/@meidastouch/post/C9fYDdhPLnq/
THREAD: "Channel 4 News can reveal that Thomas Crooks's, [the shooter's] father, the owner of the rifle that was used to shoot at Donald Trump, was held on a database and profiled by the former president's election campaign and identified by them as a strong Republican supporter, gun owner and hunter. The information was compiled as part of a secret Republican project to gather data on millions of gun owners across America and use it to target pro-gun messages in the run up to the 2016 election.

I'd like to know more about this secret GOP database...
 
Mrs Alan Greenspan = Andrea Mitchell. And yes, I see she still has a show at noon.

Mehdi Hasan might argue that the version of MSNBC still exists, long after the Air America era...

I misread what you said...yeah Andrea Mitchell is somehow not too old to be on MSNBC and tell us Biden is too old despite being 77 and unable to read.

I will leave my opinions of Hasan alone for now. He has his great moments and then he is also the guy that will censor dissent when given the chance.
 
One main difference, the MAGAts ARE un-American. They believe in authoritarianism and fascism. They are bigots. And the best I can say about any of them, perhaps the ones who are not actively seeking to oppress those they see as less than human is they are the equivalent of the "good Germans." Just how far has "when they go low we go high" gotten us anyway.

Just like with covid having an outsized kill effect on trumpers, I make no apologies for not minding a trump supporter -- a true believing diehard from the looks of it -- biting the dust at a trump rally.

If all of that makes me sound -- or even makes me actually be -- just as bad as an average MAGA wearing a f uc k your feelings t-shirt so be it. I am tired of seeing my country crumble into little by little into a pit of fascism. Fortunately in addition to not giving a frog's fat as s about some trumper finding his way to glory, I am also doing everything I can in my real life to see that it doesn't happen, by helping crews of people trying to end gerrymandering in Ohio, or setting up voter registration drives, or doing what I can to get Sherrod Brown re-elected. When September rolls around 50% of my time will probably be spent on various GOTV initiatives.

Hopefully the vast majority of all of us here are doing something similar. Even if you take one person to vote or to pick up a vote by mail ballot who would not have otherwise voted, you are doubling your effectiveness.

You don't stop fascism by mimicking fascists. You sound unhinged. Here is a tip, if we can take what you say, change the group and make it sound exactly like the people we are fighting...then you are wrong and you should really re-evaluate your life.

I am glad to see you are going to do actual helpful things...I applaud the GOTV stuff and helping end the gerrymander (Marc Elias being part of that will help!) but no one who goes to a political rally, even a hateful Trump Rally, should have to worry about getting killed. I am not saying the dad is a hero or that I dont condemn him bringing his kids there...but they should be relatively safe and the fact that cops chicken[bleep]ed out Uvalde style when they could have stopped all of this (along with the proliferation of guns) is awful. They are still human beings and dehumanizing them just because they are pr!cks is not the answer. At least with COVID many of those people chose to flout the rules so they brought it on themselves...in this case dude just went to support his candidate. He didn't phuck around and did not deserve to find out.
 
https://www.threads.net/@meidastouch/post/C9fYDdhPLnq/

I'd like to know more about this secret GOP database...

Would that be a lightweight version of a "national gun registry"? :eek: Or does that not count, since it presumably only identifies ownership and not the specific models of firearms & accessories owned?

At this point in the digital era, I assume profiling voters to some degree is normal practice among both parties to decide where to spend campaign money.
 
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Am I reading the RFK III's post right? To me it sounds like he is he is releasing it because he is mad Trump is not as anti-vax as his dad.

This. He thinks Dump is caving on "medical freedom" because he called Brainworms to rant and rave about giving kids too many shots too soon, rather than refusing them entirely, and because he's picked Vance as his running mate.
 
This. He thinks Dump is caving on "medical freedom" because he called Brainworms to rant and rave about giving kids too many shots too soon, rather than refusing them entirely, and because he's picked Vance as his running mate.

Also it sounds like Vance said something pro-vaccination once, though Vance being Vance I'm assuming at some later point he caved.
 
You don't stop fascism by mimicking fascists. You sound unhinged. Here is a tip, if we can take what you say, change the group and make it sound exactly like the people we are fighting...then you are wrong and you should really re-evaluate your life.

Let's just say I am glad you were not calling the shots during WW2. While we were not as indiscriminate (or as purposeful at times) as the Russians, we killed and injured an amost uncountable number of Germans and Japanese in an all out effort to win (and end) the war. I was born almost certainly because of that, because my father, a veteran who started serving when we were still officially mobilized for war but after the fighting had ended, DIDN'T have to go to Japan and be put in harm's way to fight fascism.

In 2012 I didn't believe Mitt Romney was an enemy of this democracy. I just thought he was not the proper person to be president and it was more than sufficient to simply vote for Obama over Romney. trump and his followers are not the same thing. These people would deny your very humanity and the humanity of a lot of other people in this forum and would just as soon see you dead as to see you prosper. So I'm not unhinged. I'm actually quite well grounded. But I am also just as concerned that too many Americans will continue to go high when they go low. It isn't working. If it was working we would not be winding our way to another close election that we could lose absolutely as easy as we could win. And then in another 4 years the slow decline into authoritarianism and fascism will probably no longer be slow.

I suppose our institutions could still save us though.
 
I suppose our institutions could still save us though.

No, that ship has sailed. And I appreciate the sentiment that those folks should feel safe at a political rally, but I honestly think people forget that Trump has incited violence at his rallies more than once. I know for damm sure I wouldn't feel safe there (and it's not because I couldn't keep my mouth shut, as I have to do that around Trumpanzee's all the time).
 
The pick of Vance cements the RNC as the Revenge National Comittee.

2011 - Trump gets eviscerated by Obama at the White House Correspondents dinner for being a sh*t human being.
2020 - Vance gets eviscerated by critics for his sh*t book being adapted into a terrible Netflix film.
 
Any chance of getting your concrete definition of Fascism? Always tossed around so casually, though in such a broad manner. Webster's? Oxford?
 
Any chance of getting your concrete definition of Fascism? Always tossed around so casually, though in such a broad manner. Webster's? Oxford?

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

This works and it is the exact platform of the Republican party and Project 2025.
 
In 2012 I didn't believe Mitt Romney was an enemy of this democracy. I just thought he was not the proper person to be president and it was more than sufficient to simply vote for Obama over Romney. trump and his followers are not the same thing. These people would deny your very humanity and the humanity of a lot of other people in this forum and would just as soon see you dead as to see you prosper.

Exactly, which is why I just don't care anymore. I am one person, and I do not have the energy to offer empathy to, or play therapist for negative, bigoted, ill-informed people.
 
Let's just say I am glad you were not calling the shots during WW2. While we were not as indiscriminate (or as purposeful at times) as the Russians, we killed and injured an amost uncountable number of Germans and Japanese in an all out effort to win (and end) the war. I was born almost certainly because of that, because my father, a veteran who started serving when we were still officially mobilized for war but after the fighting had ended, DIDN'T have to go to Japan and be put in harm's way to fight fascism.

You're comparing someone killed by a once in a lifetime random sniper fire while attending a rally to trying to crush the advancement of The Axis?

Surely you agreed with the SCOTUS decision to give POTUS unfettered immunity.

jfc
 
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