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2013 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship

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Tough last two games for the Czechs after upsetting Sweden in their first game.

They got killed by the German PP. Czech's dominated the first period today, shots were 8-0 early on, but it was Germany that got on the board first. Their first three goals were all on the PP.
 
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Man, Noora Raty got absolutely smoked tonight by Team Canada.

Not as good as the team in front of her maybe? Funny how the goalie can look so good then under different circumstances... well....she was good with a great team; could she be good on a weak team? There are 4 or five....:)
 
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30/36 against a much stronger opponent isn't smoked.
Obviously even great goalies don't do as well consistently when on weaker teams. She played well against Switzerland and the U.S. It would seem Florence Schelling is at the pinnacle. I am not defending antics of being hurt etc, when she doesn't play that well. Having said that, she normally turns a weak performance into iron determination.
 
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The thing I've noticed most is how Sweden has fallen from the ranks of the top four (with US, Canada, and Finland) a few years ago down to having to face the Czechs in the relegation round.

I'd like to hear opinions... Is it strictly a matter of the other teams (Russia, Germany, and Switzerland) getting stronger, or is something really going wrong with the Swedes?
 
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The thing I've noticed most is how Sweden has fallen from the ranks of the top four (with US, Canada, and Finland) a few years ago down to having to face the Czechs in the relegation round.

I've certainly noticed this as well...very surprising.

Martin is not playing, (tore her achilles tendon), but Grahn is talented enough from her play that I've seen.

Their firepower seems to be there in name but it strikes me that they just haven't produced well as an offensive unit over the last few years.
 
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I've certainly noticed this as well...very surprising.

Martin is not playing, (tore her achilles tendon), but Grahn is talented enough from her play that I've seen.

Their firepower seems to be there in name but it strikes me that they just haven't produced well as an offensive unit over the last few years.

Can't compare to years past, but watched four B pool games live. Russia was by far the best team in that division, but after that, it was a real tossup between the other three teams. I thought Sweden was the slightly better team against the Czechs 5 on 5 and they lost due to taking bad penalties early on. The Czech's were the slightly better team vs Germany 5 on 5, but they lost due to poor tending and taking bad penalties and Germany was lethal on the PP.

It will be interesting to see the Russia - Switzerland match-up. My prediction is that Russia will win that one. They have some good fire power up front.

In addition, would not underestimate good tending at this level. The likes of Raty and Martin can make a huge difference. Many years ago China was really good due to the "Chinese Wall". They had a fantastic tender getting them to the final four a few times back in the 90's.
 
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I'd like to hear opinions... Is it strictly a matter of the other teams (Russia, Germany, and Switzerland) getting stronger, or is something really going wrong with the Swedes?
The main reason is team chemistry. I will not analyze it thoroughly. Fact is that team has not been playing
for coach. Unfortunately coach has ruined team chemistry totally.
 
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It will be interesting to see the Russia - Switzerland match-up. My prediction is that Russia will win that one. They have some good fire power up front.
Russia has one weakness. That is nerve control. When they are 2-3 goals down they cannot keep focus on game. The more team is down the more coach uses his voice. And not in a positive way. I have seen that happen so many times. Russia will control game but things will not be easy for them mentally.
 
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Russia was by far the best team in that division

Love watching Iya play especially when she has some talent to play with. She and Saara Tuominen were often like watching magic being performed on ice during her short lived career at UMD. What a shame that it unfolded the way it did.

Went to a U of M game last year vs Calgary to watch Iya and Wickenheiser play together and you basically had two world class players on the ice with D2 (CIS) players, so, while not the best backdrop to compare them against, they were nice to watch.

To be clear, in case you thought that I might be downplaying great goaltending, I wasn't doing so. I was just saying that from what I have seen of her, Grahn is a capable goaltender and if she was playing (and up to her abilities) I wouldn't think that a losing effort could be attributed to her. It would more likely be due to their lack of total goal scoring that seems to have plagued them recently even though they always seem to have enough offensive players with more than enough name recognition. Seems like synergy in reverse.
 
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Love watching Iya play especially when she has some talent to play with. She and Saara Tuominen were often like watching magic being performed on ice during her short lived career at UMD. What a shame that it unfolded the way it did.

Went to a U of M game last year vs Calgary to watch Iya and Wickenheiser play together and you basically had two world class players on the ice with D2 (CIS) players, so, while not the best backdrop to compare them against, they were nice to watch.

To be clear, in case you thought that I might be downplaying great goaltending, I wasn't doing so. I was just saying that from what I have seen of her, Grahn is a capable goaltender and if she was playing (and up to her abilities) I wouldn't think that a losing effort could be attributed to her. It would more likely be due to their lack of total goal scoring that seems to have plagued them recently even though they always seem to have enough offensive players with more than enough name recognition. Seems like synergy in reverse.

Couple of comments.

In this tourney, Iya is sometimes playing with Vafina, and both are offensive threats. Agree 100%, Iya is a great player with great talent, and I love how she competes, smooth skater and always moving. The Captain, #17 on Russia is very good as well.

The Swedish tender looked very shaky in the first two periods in the Czech game, and it was one of the reasons they got behind early.
 
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It will be interesting to see the Russia - Switzerland match-up. My prediction is that Russia will win that one. They have some good fire power up front.

Russia 2-1 over Switzerland to move on to the semi finals against Canada. US will meet the Finns with a rested Raty.
 
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ESPNw has been providing some coverage.

In response to this article, I've attached my usual spiel on this subject of lopsided scores. I wish I could stop having to write it.

Threatening to cut a sport from the Olympics due solely to lopsided scores contradicts the Olympic motto, and anyone who writes on this subject without bringing up this contradiction is complicit in the hypocrisy. The Olympic motto "Citius, Altius, Fortius" roughly translated means "faster, higher, stronger" -- it does not translate to "don't be too fast, too high, or too strong, or else all the young athletes who look up to you will have their Olympic dreams denied." You simply cannot run a legitimate sporting event when individual competitors have any incentive to avoid doing their best, and I'm disappointed that more journalists don't express moral outrage over Jacques Rogge's threats to cut women's ice hockey due to lopsided scores, on par with the outrage reserved for match fixing or point shaving. And journalists should have expressed the same kind of outrage when lopsided scores were offered as an ex-post excuse to eliminate softball from the Olympics.

Are there circumstances under which in theory it would be fair to cut an Olympic sport due to lack parity? Sure, if that lack of parity were the consequence of leaders like U.S. and Canada in women's ice hockey deliberately preventing development abroad, such as by imposing quotas on foreign players or by preventing coaches from working abroad. But as the article mentions, this has hardly been the case, because U.S. colleges have been pouring scholarship money into European players for well over a decade now. Sweden's 2006 Olympic silver medal team that beat the United States was led by past and future stars in U.S. college hockey, Maria Rooth and Kim Martin.

Moreover, if anyone thinks international women's ice hockey has had unprecedented growing pains, please look up the dominance of Canada in the first several of decades of men's ice hockey. It was worse. Canada's only real competition during that era came from a team of Canadian natives masquerading as Team GB. There's a blatant gender bias in the IOC's threats to the women's game. These threats were never delivered to the men's game at this stage of development. Again, failing to mention this double standard when writing about this subject makes one complicit in the hypocrisy.
 
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Great comments by David de Remer. Plenty of other high profile sports among the men "suffered" through years of domination by a few nations. Examples are the Men's Basketball, the 100 Meter and 4x100 relay on the track. US dominated those events for decades.

Meanwhile back in Ottawa the 5-8 placings have been determined.....

After squeeking by the Czech's in a shootout last Friday, Sweden won the second regulation game today 4-0 to grab seventh place and hold on to their place in the top division for 2014. The Czech's finished 8th and will be relegated. They did have a good showing in this tournament, beating Sweden, and playing competitive games with Germany and Russia. Germany meanwhile beat the Swiss today to grab fifth place. The Swiss finished 6th. These results go to show that the delta between teams 3 to 8 is not really all that great.

The semis are about to get underway in an hour or so.
 
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US-Finland semi underway. Still scoreless, 15 minutes into the 1st.
 
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US-Finland semi underway. Still scoreless, 15 minutes into the 1st.

First period over. Still scoreless. Shots are 10-5 in favor of the US. US is on a PP (First one of the game). About 1:24 left in it.
 
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Many of you thread goers might remember how I might have mentioned in the Minny thread that Raty couldn't carry a whole team and Minny's depth was the difference .....well I just watched USA put 24 shots in the 2nd period on her and she was beautiful to watch!!So confident, and steady! never flinching, anticipating every shot correctly.....honestly a pleasure to watch! Thank G-d she graduates!! btw, it's 0-0!
 
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US 3
Finland 0 Final

Knight with the game winner.
 
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Many of you thread goers might remember how I might have mentioned in the Minny thread that Raty couldn't carry a whole team and Minny's depth was the difference .....well I just watched USA put 24 shots in the 2nd period on her and she was beautiful to watch!!So confident, and steady! never flinching, anticipating every shot correctly.....honestly a pleasure to watch! Thank G-d she graduates!! btw, it's 0-0!
They were a great team...she made them unbeatable.
 
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