What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

2013-2014 Schedules

Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

admiral0417 said:
You honestly don't think Norwich, Oswego or Plattsburgh could win the West and gain a Pool C bid ?
Click to expand...

Any of them certainly could, but I don't believe that any of them would be a favorite to do so, and I'm sure that none of them would rack-up the fancy W/L records they do in their current conferences.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

llama said:
I agree that Platty and Neumann are not at all a "step down" from Hobart and Utica...but I have a hard time agreeing that Neumann has been "clearly" the best team in the ECAC-W over the past five seasons.

In conference play over the past five years, Elmira has been the dominant team in the ECAC-W - they won 4 straight RS titles before last year when Utica claimed the RS title over Hobart based on the head to head tie-breaker. Neumann’s RS record in the league over the past five years has been 33-26-10 (.550 win %)…hardly “dominant”. For comparison, Elmira’s record in league play over the same span has been 41-22-6 (.638 win %).

As far as “peaking at the right time"…the ECAC-W title has gone to four different teams over the past five seasons. I concede that the two league titles they won in ’08-09 and ’12-13, Neumann came on strong late in the season to take the LT. But two seasons ago it was Hobart that came on strong and absolutely dominated Neumann in the ECAC-W championship game, 5-0.

I also think it is a bit harsh to say that except for Neumann the ECAC-W has been a “joke” in the NCAA tourney. In the past ten D-3 NCAA tournaments, the ECAC-W has had 5 different teams make the final four a total of 7 times. (Elmira 2005-06 and 2007-08, Hobart 2005-2006 and 2008-09, Neumann 2008-09, M’Ville 2006-07 and Utica 2012-13). I concede that they only have one national title to show for it but “a joke”…really?
Click to expand...

Elmira has been one of the tougher ECAC West teams that not only win in the ECAC West, but play a tough schedule home and away, no doubt.

However, they've also had 18 NCAA appearances with 0 NCAA Phinal Phore wins and just 6 NCAA Quarter Final wins TOTAL combined. A mere .28% when you take out Neumann.**

I don't think anyone has ever claimed the ECAC West to be garbage. You can take Plattsburgh, Oswego, Norwich, and SNC and put them in the ECAC West and they would be 1-3 every year. Im not sure you could put the ECAC West teams in the old NCHA or even SUNYAC and they would be the Conference champs like "some" (and by some I mean a very few) think every year. For one thing, Utica would actually have to play these "crap" SUNYAC teams on the road for a change, which they are just a .500 team against the SUNYAC on the road, go figure. There is no argument that the lower half of the SUNYAC is below that of the ECAC West bottom half. But I still think the upper half (Oswego, Plattsburgh, Geneseo, and Buff State) are just as comparable to Utica, Hobart, Neumann, and Elmira. The ECAC West is not made up of a bunch of Brockports, Morrisville, and Cortlands (Utica says thank you), but they are not made up of a bunch of Oswego, Norwich, SNC's and Plattsburgh's either. I've proven how the almighty SOS is flawed, I've proven how their record in the NCAA's is well below average, and I've proven (as well as others) that Utica (despite the inflated SOS) STILL does not have the best SOS. Case closed.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

snc1 said:
Dude just shut your mouth. You're a ****ing moron.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the astute contribution; are you a National Merit Scholar too?

Suggestion: keep working on that GED- they'll push you through eventually, literate or not -and realize that nobody is talking about SNC or any other Western team right now.

(And yes, I'd like fries with that, sonny.)
 
Last edited:
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

PSUChamps2001 said:
Elmira has been one of the tougher ECAC West teams that not only win in the ECAC West, but play a tough schedule home and away, no doubt.

However, they've also had 18 NCAA appearances with 0 NCAA Phinal Phore wins and just 6 NCAA Quarter Final wins TOTAL combined. A mere .28% when you take out Neumann.**

I don't think anyone has ever claimed the ECAC West to be garbage. You can take Plattsburgh, Oswego, Norwich, and SNC and put them in the ECAC West and they would be 1-3 every year. Im not sure you could put the ECAC West teams in the old NCHA or even SUNYAC and they would be the Conference champs like "some" (and by some I mean a very few) think every year. For one thing, Utica would actually have to play these "crap" SUNYAC teams on the road for a change, which they are just a .500 team against the SUNYAC on the road, go figure. There is no argument that the lower half of the SUNYAC is below that of the ECAC West bottom half. But I still think the upper half (Oswego, Plattsburgh, Geneseo, and Buff State) are just as comparable to Utica, Hobart, Neumann, and Elmira. The ECAC West is not made up of a bunch of Brockports, Morrisville, and Cortlands (Utica says thank you), but they are not made up of a bunch of Oswego, Norwich, SNC's and Plattsburgh's either. I've proven how the almighty SOS is flawed, I've proven how their record in the NCAA's is well below average, and I've proven (as well as others) that Utica (despite the inflated SOS) STILL does not have the best SOS. Case closed.
Click to expand...

Champ, they say that consistency is the hobgoblin of the small mind... But all that aside, you are my rock on here! I always know what I'm going to get.

For example: I wish I had a buck for each time you mention the Cortland game last season, as though it was a Sign From God That Utica Sucks or something... It wasn't, my friend: it was one hockey game, and if you have a minute, look at the box. That one was all about goal-tending, and a bit of an anomaly. (And what's with providing PS stats while leaving NU out? You were cherry-picking there.)

Getting past that one game, if you will, consider that the W consistently fields five quality teams, and that can't be said of any other conference in the East... Platty and Oswego were the only relevant teams in SUNYAC last year, as were Norwich and Babson in their conference. Ergo, there were a lot of cupcakes to be eaten by those four. The W is never like that.

Truly, I'm boring even my own bad self with this endless debate... You can end it just by dint of telling us all whose SOS was the best in the East, in your opinion.

Will you finally do that..? Please?

There are several solid options, and I won't mock your selection. I'm actually interested to hear what you have to say on this one.
 
Last edited:
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

altazo said:
I agree, they've got all that "Champagne Powder." Plus, everyone knows most all the 14ers are in Colorado, so that must be where the best skiing is.

One word comes to mind when I think of Steamboat, "Flat." But hey, as long as you're getting out there and having fun that's all that matters.

Sorry for the derailment, now back to the hockey talk and getting Fish fired up :)
Click to expand...

Try the Chutes...And some of the best tree skiing in the West.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

Glad you enjoy it there, and I know it's a big upgrade over NE skiing.
 
Last edited:
NUProf said:
Try the Chutes...And some of the best tree skiing in the West.
Click to expand...

What is the SOS (Strength of Skiing) for the Colorado Rockies? I think the Canadian Rockies might have some serious issues with the claim that the Colorado Rockies are the best tree skiing in the West.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

Western resorts have a much tougher SOS than eastern resorts. Killing ton only has to compete with Stowe and Smuggs for Northern Vermont supremacy
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

NUProf said:
Western resorts have a much tougher SOS than eastern resorts. Killing ton only has to compete with Stowe and Smuggs for Northern Vermont supremacy
Click to expand...

Prof are you suffering from altitude sickness? The Save Our Snow efforts at the Eastern resorts is much tougher than the Western resorts!!!
 
Last edited:
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

The Eastern snow totals are much more enhanced by artificial means than the west
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

You obviously haven't skied Baldy in Sun Valley Idaho. Much, much better skiing than anywhere in the US. Exhibition Run is unsurpassed for bumps, and the Fire Trail has the best glades skiing ever,(Of course with the wildfires now plaguing the area it might screw up this years skiing.) :-(
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

Banff and Lake Louise is where it is at! Great snow, great people and atmosphere, outstanding views and no high altitude sickness, and still a secret. Until now.:(
 
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

Toe Blake's Brother said:
Banff and Lake Louise is where it is at! Great snow, great people and atmosphere, outstanding views and no high altitude sickness, and still a secret. Until now.:(
Click to expand...

Been there, great skiing, but the two big problems are freakin' cold and the days are shorter with an earlier sunset in the winter than in the states. Of course, their rosters have lots of Canadians, too :D Don't forget Whistler
 
Last edited:
Re: 2013-2014 Schedules

NUProf said:
Been there, great skiing, but the two big problems are freakin' cold and the days are shorter with an earlier sunset in the winter than in the states. Of course, their rosters have lots of Canadians, too :D Don't forget Whistler
Click to expand...

March and April is outstanding. Alot of Britts as well. :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top