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2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

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Scooby, your response to him was so limp-wristed....Obama said he wanted to go back to Clinton's tax rates on the wealthy, except he really wants them to be 10% higher than Clinton's tax rates on the wealthy.....
Limp-wristed?

Whatever.

Don't care if the taxes are above 200. Sorry. I know you all think that the benevolent "job creators" are creating a world for you to thrive in but my experience has not been close to that.
 
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What on earth does that have to do with Romney appearing more "middle of the road" if he flip flops on an issue?

I pointed out an issue that Romney flip flopped on where he moved further right.

I went back to the posts in question and I see that I probably misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about Obama moving further to the right, and so I pointed out a few examples in which he did just that. Indefinite antecedent led to confusion.
 
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I went back to the posts in question and I see that I probably misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about Obama moving further to the right, and so I pointed out a few examples in which he did just that. Indefinite antecedent led to confusion.

Obama has always been right of GW so him being on the right isn't surprising at all.
 
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I went back to the posts in question and I see that I probably misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about Obama moving further to the right, and so I pointed out a few examples in which he did just that. Indefinite antecedent led to confusion.

Ahh... gotcha... confusion all around!
 
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Don't care if the taxes are above 200. Sorry. I know you all think that the benevolent "job creators" are creating a world for you to thrive in but my experience has not been close to that.

Are you deliberately obtuse or just disingenuous? When Obama said he wanted to go back to Clinton-era tax rates, he was being misleading, because what he is really trying to do is go to 110% of Clinton-era tax rates.

How does pointing out Obama's deliberate deception have anything to do with your personal experience with your former small-business owner boss who we infer fired you or upset you or offended you in some other way?
 
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Are you deliberately obtuse or just disingenuous? When Obama said he wanted to go back to Clinton-era tax rates, he was being misleading, because what he is really trying to do is go to 110% of Clinton-era tax rates.

How does pointing out Obama's deliberate deception have anything to do with your personal experience with your former small-business owner boss who we infer fired you or upset you or offended you in some other way?

What? You want me to say Obama lied to? Cause he forgot about some obscure tax in the Obamacare law? Ok. He lied. Happy?

When Romney gets elected I expect to see my 20% tax cut the first year. And he promised me he wouldn't raise ANY of my other taxes. Thanks.
 
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Obama wouldn't know evisceration if it hit him on the head. The day Obama is called out on the deficit in a meaningful way, I'll change my tune. He's skated on that promise, as with many others, for four years and still the media avoids saying anything, other than a handful of conservative outlets.

He tells Pastor what's his name he's against gay marriage (during the campaign, when appearing moderate is beneficial) then "evolves" to unequivocal, full court press GLBT pander, just in time for another election. Nah, this guy's a straight shooter. Not like that "felon" Romney.
 
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Are you deliberately obtuse or just disingenuous? When Obama said he wanted to go back to Clinton-era tax rates, he was being misleading, because what he is really trying to do is go to 110% of Clinton-era tax rates.

Is there not a proposal out to continue the current rates (set to expire EOY) into 2013?
 
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Holy cook the books, Batman! 7.8% unemployment. We're saved.

I know when I heard that number this morning I felt tingly all over. I never really understood what that number really represents-and now I am even more sure that I do not know what that number represents. Other states must be doing very well at pulling that number up because here in NJ things are not very rosy on the employment front right now.
 
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I just knew there had to be a reason Romney turned Obama into his b*tch during the debate (well, a reason other than for once, smarmy Harvard Law Review "coolness" didn't work) and Markos has uncovered it for us. Romney cheated!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/05/1140435/-Did-Mitt-use-crib-notes-for-the-debate

I seem to recall charges that someone stole a Carter briefing book before the first debate with Reagan, allegedly threw it over the transom of the Reagan campaign, and that's why Ronnie pounded that sanctimonious, anti-Semetic putz into jelly. Right. Similarly, there just has to be a reason why the air went out of Obama like a punctured Frosty the Snowman yard figure. An explanation other than he's a weak duck, of course. Dream on, ladies.
 
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Codepink is in Pakistan to protest drone strikes. Seems like every single person killed by drones is "innocent." Just like every single person killed by us in the Iraq war was also "innocent." This is the kind of first tier anti-Americanism that in an earlier era would have drawn the attendance of Ramsey Clark. When he was Attorney General, Buckley described him as "a conscientious objector in the war on crime."

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Americans-in-Pakistan-to-protest-drone-strikes-3921899.php
 
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You made a generic claim that media outlets go after Obama. MSNBC is, at least loosely defined, a media outlet.

So is Fox News and the entire AM radio spectrum by that same loose definition. So stop whining already.
 
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I love how you keep trying to pass yourself off as somehow independent.

If, by "independent", you mean no philosophical affiliation with either major political party, yes, I am an "independent" in that sense.

If, by "independent" you mean having no philosophical orientation at all, then no, of course not. To me however it means I am biased toward certain points of view and biased against other points of view, and my biases are shaped in large part by my life experiences and by keen observation of others' behaviors.

Generally, I've found, positive motivators are much more effective than punitive measures; voluntary affiliation toward a common purpose tends to be more effective than compulsion. Using market forces often (but not always) produces better results than central planning.

I have to go now, basically I am biased toward conditions that promote economic growth through innovation and opportunity being rewarded. That makes me "independent" of both political parties these days, since neither one of them address those issues head on. (Both parties are equally guilty of crony capitalism for example; no pro-business strategy ever would have the government picking which industries or which companies should succeed or fail).


Business has evolved and is now quite progressive in my direct personal experience. Today, people who run a succesful business use 21st century management techniques on how to recruit, reward, and retain key people (and I've got news for you, in today's market, every employee on your payroll is a "key" person because the quality of their work influences the perception other people have of your company, and keeping that perception positive is a part of a broader key strategy for a successful business). the idea that in this day and age that a shrewd business person would somehow try to exploit his or her employees, that strategy is now viewed as outdated and prehistoric. I know that stereotypes that built up over perceptions that in the past were acccurate are hard to adjust.

I was really down on Romney the politican until the debate, when suddenly Romney the businessman showed up instead. Where has he been the past two years?
 
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Codepink is in Pakistan to protest drone strikes.[/url]

The outrage on the right for such insignificant free speech incidents always amazes me.

I do wonder how many isolated 10 person protests on the left equals a single Iraq war on the right in terms of impact. Probably more than Pio can post.
 
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The outrage on the right for such insignificant free speech incidents always amazes me.

I do wonder how many isolated 10 person protests on the left equals a single Iraq war on the right in terms of impact. Probably more than Pio can post.

My outrage is on DEFCON 4. It will go to DEFCON 5 when these dumb*sses get abducted and we have to send Billary over to rescue them. Either that or they get their heads cut off.
 
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My outrage is on DEFCON 4. It will go to DEFCON 5 when these dumb*sses get abducted and we have to send Billary over to rescue them. Either that or they get their heads cut off.

And back down to DEFCON 1 when Romney decides to start a couple of wars.
 
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I was really down on Romney the politican until the debate, when suddenly Romney the businessman showed up instead. Where has he been the past two years?
Even if Romney the businessman showed up, he was the businessman who suddenly changed his opinion about pretty much every issue. Assuming that you believe that he changed his opinion (as opposed to flat out lying as David Gergen suggests), why is that a good thing? Does it show flexibility? I think not. Adjusting a few ideas shows flexibility. Reversing massively on every issue shows a lack of conviction (or just flat out lying).

Beyond that, I am wary of politicians whose leadership experience comes from business. I'm certain the leadership experience there is valuable, as you would have to deal with a lot of people whose idea of how to best accomplish a goal are very different from yours. But these types of guys generally think that government should also run like a business, which is a point of view that seem hopelessly misguided and naive to me. Business has, generally speaking a single end goal: to make a profit. Not only does government not have profit as its only goal, it doesn't even have it as an ancillary goal.
 
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I didn't hear Obama misrepresenting his positions during the debate. That's all Romney did. He even said during the debate that his medical plan covers pre-existing conditions. Then his campaign after the debate issued a statement saying, no it doesn't.

No, he just kept regurgitating his version of Romney's plan when Romney, whether he flipflopped or not, clearly pointed out where he stood. I guess his loop got stuck because he didn't make any points without his state run teleprompter. How could he, he can't defend the economy... which is why the latest jobs report is askew with "new jobs"... which happen to mostly be new "part time" jobs that won't last past the holidays. I guess deception doesn't count like "lieing" does.
 
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