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2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

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duper said:
Even if Romney the businessman showed up, he was the businessman who suddenly changed his opinion about pretty much every issue. Assuming that you believe that he changed his opinion (as opposed to flat out lying as David Gergen suggests), why is that a good thing? Does it show flexibility? I think not. Adjusting a few ideas shows flexibility. Reversing massively on every issue shows a lack of conviction (or just flat out lying).
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This is why Romney doesn't have a prayer of catching up. When the media disagrees with him, he's an incompetent fool. When they do agree with him, he's just lying and he's secretly pushing the opposite of whatever he said. Poor guy doesn't have a chance. :p
If he has "reversed massively on every issue", does that mean he's now supporting government takeovers of car companies, and "getting behind" the gay marriage push? Or is it possible you've been misled?
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Beyond that, I am wary of politicians whose leadership experience comes from business. I'm certain the leadership experience there is valuable, as you would have to deal with a lot of people whose idea of how to best accomplish a goal are very different from yours. But these types of guys generally think that government should also run like a business, which is a point of view that seem hopelessly misguided and naive to me. Business has, generally speaking a single end goal: to make a profit. Not only does government not have profit as its only goal, it doesn't even have it as an ancillary goal.
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Do you have an example of a politician from a business background who wants government run MORE like a business? I'm trying to understand, but all I see is the opposite... people who want to LESSEN regulation on business, etc. and get the government out of GM, Solyndra, banking, etc. etc. It's very likely I'm misunderstanding your point, so an example or two would be appreciated.
 
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streaker said:
No, he just kept regurgitating his version of Romney's plan
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Which, to be fair, is everyone's version of Romney's plan, including Romney, until whatever the last focus group was that made him decide to simply misrepresent it because its consequences aren't popular.

Also, the effing BLS is not in the tank for Obama. Please read up on how it works -- it has nothing to do with politicals.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The outrage on the right for such insignificant free speech incidents always amazes me.
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Free speech is only for the right. When somebody else exercises it it's "treason." :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
Just saving time.
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Makes sense.

Being serious for a moment, I don't have a problem with Code Pink unless they are interrupting Congress (or any other number of conferences). They effectively try to prevent the free speech of others by shouting them down. THat's what I have a problem with (I also had a problem with the numbskull who interrupted Obama in the SotU). If they want to camp outside of the Bush Ranch (on the property of someone who allows them) I am all for it. But when they go to Pakistan, the First Amendment no longer applies. Now it could create a potential issue where the State Department will need to step in.
 
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That numbskull aka the Distinguished Idiot from SC Joe Wilson was a Right Wing God for almost a year because of that. It was sickening. The Righties around here especially didnt seem to mind him disrespecting the President, in fact they applauded it. Funny how those same guys would clench up tighter than Bob Dole's hand if you dared talk smack about Dubya on a message board let alone in public or the if it had happened during the SOTU. (both here and on Faux) Probably just a coincidence though ;)

I bet Old Pio and Bob Gray have a poster on their wall of him right next to Reagan and Joe McCarthy ;)
 
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Handyman said:
That numbskull aka the Distinguished Idiot from SC Joe Wilson was a Right Wing God for almost a year because of that. It was sickening. The Righties around here especially didnt seem to mind him disrespecting the President, in fact they applauded it. Funny how those same guys would clench up tighter than Bob Dole's hand if you dared talk smack about Dubya on a message board let alone in public or the if it had happened during the SOTU. (both here and on Faux) Probably just a coincidence though ;)

I bet Old Pio and Bob Gray have a poster on their wall of him right next to Reagan and Joe McCarthy ;)
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Actually, I have a poster of you, sweetie. Just out of curiosity, has anybody made a movie about assassinating His Racistness? Has anybody held "hearings" about impeaching him? No? Then until they do, maybe you should stop your b*tching about how "people are talking mean about poor little Barack and aren't showing him the respect he's earned by walking with us mortals." Just for the record, Wilson was out of line. And I don't approve of what he did. Interesting you're still obsessing about it all these months later.

But it was certainly the height of statesmanship when that cheap, Chicago pol bullied the Supreme Court during a SOTU. Or is there another standard for his low blows? Respect is a two way street. And SCOTUS is a separate and equal branch of government.

And it takes a special kind of putz to crack wise about the handicaps and scars a man got while fighting for his country. Tells us all we need to know about you, though.

Here are some folks who "dared to talk smack" about Bush (and in public, too). Are you in any of these?

http://www.zombietime.com/world_cant_wait_sf_11-2-2005/

Meanwhile, Chrissie informs us that the word "golf" is racist.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The outrage on the right for such insignificant free speech incidents always amazes me.

I do wonder how many isolated 10 person protests on the left equals a single Iraq war on the right in terms of impact. Probably more than Pio can post.
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Actually, I'm surprised you're not with them. I approve of their trip. It reduces the a*shole population. I hope they stay, and enjoy the "freedoms" of Pakistan.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
COngratulations for responding an argument no one made.
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Where was all this libstain whining about the First Amendment when Chick-fil-a was being punished because its CEO had an unauthorized opinion?

And for God's sake, don't anybody "blaspheme the prophet of Islam."
 
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geezer said:
This is why Romney doesn't have a prayer of catching up. When the media disagrees with him, he's an incompetent fool. When they do agree with him, he's just lying and he's secretly pushing the opposite of whatever he said. Poor guy doesn't have a chance. :p
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My comment had nothing to do with the media. It had to do with the fact that what MITT ROMNEY said in the debate was quite different from what MITT ROMNEY said previously.
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If he has "reversed massively on every issue", does that mean he's now supporting government takeovers of car companies, and "getting behind" the gay marriage push? Or is it possible you've been misled?
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It's possible I exaggerated. That probably confused you, because of course, you have never exaggerated anything. :) That said, I don't remember the part of the debate where they discussed gay marriage. Perhaps you can find a youtube clip of it to post.

geezer said:
Do you have an example of a politician from a business background who wants government run MORE like a business? I'm trying to understand, but all I see is the opposite... people who want to LESSEN regulation on business, etc. and get the government out of GM, Solyndra, banking, etc. etc. It's very likely I'm misunderstanding your point, so an example or two would be appreciated.
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Not so much politicians, but people in general. It's not terribly unusual to hear people talk about running government like a business. It makes me wary of business background politicians.
 
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IF it happens, not good. Could you call it EPA's Nuclear Option?

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Foxton said:
So if it's only 10% of the coal energy capacity, what's the change from the total energy output? Furthermore what's the total needed?
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If you close a power plant, somebody loses taxable property. Might be on the tax rolls, but it's probably worth a lot less closed then open. In an era of strained municipal budgets, you want to keep the amount of assessed property stable at the least.
 
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joecct said:
If you close a power plant, somebody loses taxable property. Might be on the tax rolls, but it's probably worth a lot less closed then open. In an era of strained municipal budgets, you want to keep the amount of assessed property stable at the least.
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That didn't answer my question at all.
 
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joecct said:
Right - but I think you missed the more important point.
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I'm guessing you're saying property tax base is more important than energy generation considerations...because otherwise your post makes no sense.

And I would disagree that that's really a higher priority.
 
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