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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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5mn_Major said:
Why would he resign? Over half of GOP candidates are absolutely unelectable.
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I absolutely don't think he should resign. I mean he shouldn't run for a second term. There's no argument that Hillary wouldn't be a much, much stronger president. Although she might also generate an even more extreme degree of knee-jerk opposition to everything she proposes...
 
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geezer said:
I absolutely don't think he should resign. I mean he shouldn't run for a second term. There's no argument that Hillary wouldn't be a much, much stronger president. Although she might also generate an even more extreme degree of knee-jerk opposition to everything she proposes...
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If Obama doesn't get a 2nd term the terrorists win!
 
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Priceless said:
If Obama doesn't get a 2nd term the terrorists win!
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I'd say that if Obama doesn't get a second term, the racists, corporations, Teabaggers, and fundamentalists all win...on second thought, you're right.
 
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No way he resigns, but he could punt the 2nd term ala LBJ. Trouble is, he'd be a very, very lame duck. If he does punt, he should do it in the early winter at least a month before the first primary / caucus.
 
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Looks like that bad acid is making the rounds.
 
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Priceless said:
Looks like that bad acid is making the rounds.
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Do you think we need one consolidated thread to stop similar posts on multiple threads?? :)

If, if, if the polls start showing that the Democrats are going to take a massive hit, then the party bosses (50 years ago I could identify them, now, there are too many), may tell BHO that, for the sake of the party, he needs to fall on his sword. Do I think it is likely?? no. But it has a better than 0% likelihood.

The current SecState and her husband sure hope so.
 
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Priceless said:
Looks like that bad acid is making the rounds.
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There's nobody outside Obama's immediate family that wouldn't be better off if he doesn't run (and for those 3, it's debatable). He'll face a lot of pressure to retire.
 
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joecct said:
Do you think we need one consolidated thread to stop similar posts on multiple threads?? :)

If, if, if the polls start showing that the Democrats are going to take a massive hit, then the party bosses (50 years ago I could identify them, now, there are too many), may tell BHO that, for the sake of the party, he needs to fall on his sword. Do I think it is likely?? no. But it has a better than 0% likelihood.
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Me getting struck by lightning 5 times and then hitting the Powerball has a better than 0% likelihood, too.
 
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geezer said:
There's nobody outside Obama's immediate family that wouldn't be better off if he doesn't run (and for those 3, it's debatable). He'll face a lot of pressure to retire.
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The people who actually believe in evolution, climate change and a heliocentric solar system will be better off. Those that believe we were planted here 6000 years ago will be just fine anyway because they're all going to heaven.
 
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Priceless said:
The people who actually believe in evolution, climate change and a heliocentric solar system will be better off. Those that believe we were planted here 6000 years ago will be just fine anyway because they're all going to heaven.
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I'm not talking about the Democratic party surrendering the election to Republicans. I mean who would they prefer as their candidate? Obama has proven to be a huge mistake, and most of them are ready to admit it. Easy solution for 2012: step aside.
 
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geezer said:
I'm not talking about the Democratic party surrendering the election to Republicans. I mean who would they prefer as their candidate? Obama has proven to be a huge mistake, and most of them are ready to admit it. Easy solution for 2012: step aside.
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The way politics is played today, it WOULD BE surrendering the election to the GOP.
 
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geezer said:
I'm not talking about the Democratic party surrendering the election to Republicans. I mean who would they prefer as their candidate? Obama has proven to be a huge mistake, and most of them are ready to admit it. Easy solution for 2012: step aside.
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I don't think you can call him a mistake. His policies haven't been effective enough. Unfortunately, policy is a lot of trial and error. Where Obama has failed in particular has been to capitalize on the 2008 wave of Democratic support. His desires now from a policy stance should have been on his agenda with a Democrat controlled Congress, now even the simplest policies are being scrutinized and rejected by Republicans. I think many of the policies are meant to be a starting point to get what he really thinks will work, but if you're the Republican party, why do you compromise on anything when the Democrats in Congress have shown they can barely get a consensus among themselves, much less a show of unwavering support in debate and negotiations.

That being said, I think Romney is the only Republican that will effectively mobilize independents or Democrats to vote for a Republican. He's not as hardline as Perry, but not Libertarian like Ron Paul. What I think this election will do is set up the election in 2016 for some huge candidates. The Republicans have essentially recycled a bunch of fringe candidates from the past decade, and the Democrats have gone all in with Obama seeing as any new candidate running as a Democrat would have essentially zero chance.

The oncoming recession in 2014 and actual rate of economic recovery is going to expose economic policy in both parties. It's going to come down to not "class warfare" but "tax warfare"; Should the US government ever raise taxes again, or should entire tax policy be reformed? I'm hoping a fair-tax is proposed as even though people say it's a regressive tax, we're already paying the brunt of the tax in what the actual price of a consumer good is.
 
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collegehcky2 said:
if you're the Republican party, why do you compromise on anything when the Democrats in Congress have shown they can barely get a consensus among themselves, much less a show of unwavering support in debate and negotiations.
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how about to accomplish good for the US? ok, never mind.
 
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collegehcky2 said:
The Republicans can sit on their hands until they get pretty much what they want. We've seen that in the past year. It's a smart ploy.
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I don't think even they know what they want anymore, they're so busy perfecting the art of opposition.
 
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The Democrats should employ the Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd strategery. Propose tax cuts for the top 1% and the confused Republicans will oppose them...then the Dems can <del>cave</del> agree.
 
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As things stand now, I think it's highly unlikely Obama will not seek another term. It's beyond my poor powers to describe, but the political climate in '68 was far more toxic than it's likely to be next year. We had elected the "peace" candidate in '64, who upped the ante in Vietnam to 600K troops. We had huge demonstrations, a president essentially captive in the WH, and we had bombs going off in government buildings (ironically, two of BO's close pals were up to their lips in the insurrection, but that's a post for another day).

The draft tended to focus the attention of students at elite universities, and radicalized many of them in ways never seen before. They could pull strings to get into the guard and reserve, go to "51", kiss the drill sergeant on the lips, etc. But the bottom line was some of 'em were going to go, period. And some of 'em weren't coming back. The anti-war marches over Iraq and Afghanistan (which curiously disappeared after Obama was elected) pale in comparison to the demonstrations in those days. They were far bigger, far more disruptive and far more violent.

Johnson was reviled in a way no other president in my life was, not even Nixon, although he came pretty close at the end. As I say, it's hard for me to describe what Ameri"K"a was like in those days, but it wasn't good. An example: students took over the office of the president of Columbia and while there, destroyed the manuscript of his latest scholarly book. No files. No backups. Just start over. It was an act of unbelievable meanness and cruelty. But pretty much par for the course those days.

I was serving as president of the IFC at DU when the SDS asked if they could address us. I said, sure. They announced a "day of rage" or something and said they couldn't be responsible if any private property (fraternity houses, for the dense) was damaged or destroyed. I asked the treasurer how much money was in the contingency fund, and announced that the IFC would cover the expenses of any fraternity wishing to hire armed guards to protect their property. This was all undergraduate chest thumping of course, because if those dudes had come onto anybody's property they would surely have regretted it. But it shows what was going on on campuses all across the country. DU was waaay less radicalized than some. After all, punks set off a bomb at the University of Wisconsin that killed a graduate student.

We aren't anywhere near what was going on in '68 and I sincerely hope we never get there again.
 
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