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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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ScoobyDoo said:
There isn't a 20-30-somethings Workers Lobby. So, they're forked and always will be forked.

Go conservatives. Destroy the safetynet and cowtow to the plutocrats. Yeah for Plutocracy, machine guns on the border, The Death Penalty, AND medical condition bankruptcy for EVERYONE.

God Bless America.
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Go Scooby Go!
 
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Kepler said:
Conservatives have been trying to destroy Social Security since the day it was enacted. Remember: it's Communism!
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I don't like it when it is peoples' sole source of retirement income. It was supposed to be:

There's no reason to ditch Social Security -- it can be fixed by nudging it back towards an insurance program rather than an Entitlement. The budgetary killer is health care and the economic killer is the destruction of the middle class by the plutocrats. Nothing good really happens in this country until we take on both of those problems, and one reason to hope the Republicans don't get back to the White House for a long, long time is they do nothing on the former and they're on the wrong side on the latter.
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Right. And you may have just stepped on the third rail. Is your life insurance paid up? :)

In the meantime, we have to do something about militarism and expansionism before it does just what it did to every empire before us. But frankly that will probably only get us a quarter of the way to sanity. Restoring the tax structure and getting a hold of medical costs are even more important than ending the military welfare state.
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Empires are expensive. When the money gets short, the empire goes poof! Isolationism may be too far, but being the world's cop is an expensive (and possibly unaffordable) proposition.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Really, your comment could be said about a lot of big issues. Take special interests out of the room and you fix things. Not that it's going to ever happen, so it's not an easy fix. Spiraling Medicare and defense spending costs could easily be controlled and reduced, in theory. But, reality is generally different than theory.
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And yet any attempt to curtail the power of those same special interests is ruled unconstitutional because money = speech and corporations are people.
 
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Priceless said:
And yet any attempt to curtail the power of those same special interests is ruled unconstitutional because money = speech and corporations are people.
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I'd like to see someone throw down the gauntlet and propose a bill that nullifies the legal argument that corporations are persons. It shouldn't be too hard to do legally, since, as near as I can tell, the determination that corporations are persons arises as a sort of a default position (or an active convenience that overlooked the bad side effects). I'm sure the monied interests would fight tooth and nail to kill it just to preserve their political influence, so it probably wouldn't go anywhere, but it would be nice to see someone try it.
 
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Priceless said:
And yet any attempt to curtail the power of those same special interests is ruled unconstitutional because money = speech and corporations are people.
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Yup, if it weren't for corporations, all would be well.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yup, if it weren't for corporations, all would be well.
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Nice to see that you're coming around. I doubt "all" would be well, but things would be much better if corporations still existed as government-chartered institutions that existed for a specific purpose.
 
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Priceless said:
Nice to see that you're coming around. I doubt "all" would be well, but things would be much better if corporations still existed as government-chartered institutions that existed for a specific purpose.
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Yup. Let's get 'em all under the government's leash and they'll finally behave like decent members of our society and do what's good for us.
 
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Craig P. said:
It shouldn't be too hard to do legally, since, as near as I can tell, the determination that corporations are persons arises as a sort of a default position (or an active convenience that overlooked the bad side effects).
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I think it would have to be a new law from congress. Since it was the courts interpretation of the laws that gave corporations person hood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad
"in 1886, this Court in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, decided for the first time that the word 'person' in the amendment did in some instances include corporations

in 1949, "the Santa Clara case becomes one of the most momentous of all our decisions. [...] Corporations were now armed with constitutional prerogatives
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http://www.uuworld.org/ideas/articles/157829.shtml
“Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few handsand the Republic is destroyed.”

These are the words of a successful corporate lawyer who represented railroads before becoming president of the United States. Lincoln

This sweeping prohibition on political activity is from a Wisconsin statute that was in force well into the twentieth century:

No corporation doing business in this state shall pay or contribute, or offer consent or agree to pay or contribute, directly or indirectly, any money, property, free service of its officers or employees or thing of value to any political party, organization, committee or individual for any political purpose whatsoever, or for the purpose of influencing legislation of any kind, or to promote or defeat the candidacy of any person for nomination, appointment or election to any political office.
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Tundra said:
I think it would have to be a new law from congress. Since it was the courts interpretation of the laws that gave corporations person hood.
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That's exactly what I'm suggesting: someone in Congress should submit a bill that does exactly this. Then we can sit back and see what ensues, which is most likely the paymasters getting it killed very quickly and quietly.
 
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Old Pio said:
Deadmeat's waiting on THIS prized endorsement, no doubt. Yo, Malik, when you're done parking my car, run get me a couple of packs of Kool ultra lites. You hear?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8UHYxAeXFM&feature=player_embedded
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The comments on that thread could take up the Nice Planet thread by itself.

Howdy doody, Stormfronteers. I've been noticing all the comments about black folks having to "go back to Africa" or some such. Nonsense, no need to go back to Africa when they can just sit right here and take a big ol' dump all over the precious, delicate white gene pool. Yes? Say hello to your future brown family members and descendants LOL..
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Ya no racism in america.
 
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