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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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Don't forget the "abstinence only" conservatives. Why would their kids need it? They *certainly* won't be having unprotected sex any time soon, right? Yeah, right. They don't want to imply *in any way* to their kids that it's okay to have sex. As far as they're concerned, getting an HPV vaccine for your daughter is tantamount to pimping her out on the street corner.

Somewhat unreleated, but a poll was discussed on the radio today in which only 5% of parents of h.s. kids believed that their kids were smoking weed and 10% that their kids were drinking alcohol. Impossible to disect without knowing more about the poll but I think it indicates how out of touch (in denial) parents can be when it comes to their kids.
 
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Somewhat unreleated, but a poll was discussed on the radio today in which only 5% of parents of h.s. kids believed that their kids were smoking weed and 10% that their kids were drinking alcohol. Impossible to disect without knowing more about the poll but I think it indicates how out of touch (in denial) parents can be when it comes to their kids.

The argument advanced by anti-sex education types is that seeing Ms. Plimsol put a condom on a cucumber will get the kids "thinking" about sex. Well, the boys are already "thinking" about it 24/7. And we have a popular culture saturated in sexual imagery. I doubt anything Ms. Plimsol can do or say will change that.
 
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I'm too lazy to look. but what the hell could be the possible reasoning behind someone legitimately opposing the HPV vaccine?

Are they also opposed to MMR vaccines? DTP? Polio?

There are times I want to just want to bang my head into the wall to bring myself to their level of intelligence to try and understand.
 
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I'm too lazy to look. but what the hell could be the possible reasoning behind someone legitimately opposing the HPV vaccine?

Are they also opposed to MMR vaccines? DTP? Polio?

There are times I want to just want to bang my head into the wall to bring myself to their level of intelligence to try and understand.

There's a small but insistent anti-vexy movement out there. Their post hoc ergo propter hoc "logic" is that since we've had an increase in the number of kids with autism and the number of kids getting vaccinated (and more and different vaccines available) that must mean the vaccinations have "caused" the autism. Of course, using that logic, perhaps 2% milk is causing the autism. And this "increase" in autism could merely be improvements in our ability to diagnose it. They changed their focus from the vaccines to a preservative that used to be in vaccines callerd thimerosal (sp), but no connection between the preservative and autism has been found, and it's been removed from vaccines in any case. No reputable study has shown a higher incidence of autism in vaccinated kids (which you would expect) nor a lower incidence of autism among kids not vaccinated (which you would also expect).

These folks assert their rights not to have their children immunized while also asserting their right to send those kids to school. This increases the risk to kids who, even though they've been vaccinated, may not have total immunity. In other words, they're asserting their rights to put other kids at risk. And it's not just the HPV vaccine. As a general rule, they're against all vaccinations.

They come loaded for bear with annecdotal horror stories of vaccination deaths, disfigurements and illness. And quack research they've discovered on the internet. Yes, there are instances where vaccinations go wrong. But in very small, statistically insignificant numbers. It reminds me of parents who won't let their kids trick or treat because of the "danger" of adulterated candy. Then the next day send the kids to school in busses not equipped with seat belts.

Perry admits he was wrong, both to mandate the vaccinations by executive fiat (he's right) and to make parents "opt out" rather than "opt in." Sort of like the Book of the Month Club, we're sending you this book unless you tell us not to. But there's no doubt these two competing vaccines are safe and effective and can dramatically reduce the cases of vervical cancer out there. Naturally, the "sex before marriage" question is part of the resistance to what Perry did in Texas, but this anti-vexy movement has been out there long before Perry's misstep. This issue is much bigger than what Rick Perry did or did not do and why. The anti-vexy types could put untold thusands of children at risk and not just in Texas and not just from cervical cancer. And Michele Bachmann brought no glory to herself by claiming some child someplace became "retarded" as a result of an injection of Gardisil. That's quackery, pure and simple, and she should withdraw the statement and apologize.

Vaccines have elminated diseases which used to kill thousands, tens of thousands. Plague, small pox, infantile paralysis (parents in this country used to spend their summers in dread that their kids would wake up paralyzed for life--you had to have lived through it to have some sense of the terror) and many others. It's a tragedy when even one child dies because of an immunization. It's an even bigger tragedy when children who could have been saved die because of superstition, junk science and fear. Tens of thousands of Americans die in automobile accidents every year and nobody suggests we should forego cars because of the danger. The "danger" from vaccinations is infinitely less than the danger from cars.
 
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The GOP is looking at changing its allocation of electoral votes in many states. It is in current control of both houses in many states. And Republicans are pushing to turn those from electoral votes of majority wins all state votes...to one district one vote. So if a state has 6 GOP district and 4 Dem district wins...that's how they allocate electoral votes. The rub is that they're doing it just in Dem states like Penn and Michigan after they gerrymander them...to blunt blue state influence in national elections. If these goes through in enough states, its hard to see how another Dem gets elected to the white house outside of a landslide.
 
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The GOP is looking at changing its allocation of electoral votes in many states. It is in current control of both houses in many states. And Republicans are pushing to turn those from electoral votes of majority wins all state votes...to one district one vote. So if a state has 6 GOP district and 4 Dem district wins...that's how they allocate electoral votes. The rub is that they're doing it just in Dem states like Penn and Michigan after they gerrymander them...to blunt blue state influence in national elections. If these goes through in enough states, its hard to see how another Dem gets elected to the white house outside of a landslide.

Do you have any evidence (of substance) to back up these allegations?
 
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The GOP is looking at changing its allocation of electoral votes in many states. It is in current control of both houses in many states. And Republicans are pushing to turn those from electoral votes of majority wins all state votes...to one district one vote. So if a state has 6 GOP district and 4 Dem district wins...that's how they allocate electoral votes. The rub is that they're doing it just in Dem states like Penn and Michigan after they gerrymander them...to blunt blue state influence in national elections. If these goes through in enough states, its hard to see how another Dem gets elected to the white house outside of a landslide.

I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with that scenario.
 
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If that's the case, and the Dems are too stupid (likely) to fight back, then to hell with them. They've failed as a political party and should be replaced by a party with a backbone. I honestly can't think of a bigger group of whiny p*ssies than the Dems.

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If that's the case, and the Dems are too stupid (likely) to fight back, then to hell with them. They've failed as a political party and should be replaced by a party with a backbone. I honestly can't think of a bigger group of whiny p*ssies than the Dems.

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That's the greatest picture I've ever seen. Where did you find it?
 
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I don't agree with the movement, but their arguments against are weak. They argue that it is a travesty if someone wins the state popular vote 55-45% but only gets 52% of the electoral votes. How is it then not a bigger travesty when someone garners 45% of the popular vote and 0% of the electoral votes?

It makes no sense.
 
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Ugh. Doesn't the gerrymandering make this an even worse way to pick a President?

22 districts that flip flop 4 times each decade to decide Presidency!

God, between the unlimited money, letting political parties make their own districts to vote in, and 22 month election cycle, our system sucks.
 
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Maybe the Dems are bitter and just stayed home. Weiner was a high profile Congressman who by all accounts was liked by his district. Heck, I probably would've stayed home as well. But, let the GOP get cocky about it just like the DEMS did when they won the other New York district that was bathed in red prior to the special election.

Ed Koch endorsed the Republican in that race. Part of it is probably editing, but the Daily Show didn't exactly paint the Democratic candidate as a deft campaigner.
 
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That's the greatest picture I've ever seen. Where did you find it?

Haha. I remember finding it a while back when I was trying to find another picture to post in this thread. I bookmarked it for future use because I knew I would need it at some point.
 
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Ugh. Doesn't the gerrymandering make this an even worse way to pick a President?

22 districts that flip flop 4 times each decade to decide Presidency!

Just wait until it's 435 districts.

Seems like a short term smart, long term dumb strategy for the GOP. Winner take all gives them an advantage because the prairie and mountain west states are over represented. As fortunes wax and wane and all the states go to district EV, they lose that edge. Compare how often the Dems have held the House over the last hundred years to how often they've held the presidency.

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Just wait until it's 435 districts.

Seems like a short term smart, long term dumb strategy for the GOP. Winner take all gives them an advantage because the prairie and mountain west states are over represented. As fortunes wax and wane and all the states go to district EV, they lose that edge. Compare how often the Dems have held the House over the last hundred years to how often they've held the presidency.

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Why wouldn't they still be overrepresented, since the states still have the 2 EV which represent the senate, too (which gives them that over representation)?

Also, how do you (the royal you, not Kepler) go on a rant about the method and not mention Nebraska and Maine already doing this? Or Obama winning the one EV 3 years ago from Omaha?

Poorly researched blog post is poorly researched.
 
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Other articles discuss NB and ME, but my guess is that the issue doesn't impact the blogs central position that such a move would be a mistake...and is therefore, not bothered with.

I don't agree with the movement, but their arguments against are weak. They argue that it is a travesty if someone wins the state popular vote 55-45% but only gets 52% of the electoral votes. How is it then not a bigger travesty when someone garners 45% of the popular vote and 0% of the electoral votes?

It makes no sense.

Its not a problem for a particular state...Penn will in fact be better represented. The problem will come in that the whole country is voting. It moves the vote from being not 100% representative to the national popular vote...to much less representative of the national popular vote.

Related to that, the bills author's intentions are not to better represent the state...but rather to improve the chances that the GOP has the next president. Just an opinion. :)

Just wait until it's 435 districts.

Seems like a short term smart, long term dumb strategy for the GOP. Winner take all gives them an advantage because the prairie and mountain west states are over represented. As fortunes wax and wane and all the states go to district EV, they lose that edge. Compare how often the Dems have held the House over the last hundred years to how often they've held the presidency.

Although there are ebbs and flows of who controls the federal legislature, state legislatures are different. Blue/Purple states have no problems putting in total GOP legislature and governor control periodically...Penn, WI and OH have them to name just a few. Only then can a state vote in such a voter approach. When do you expect red states like Alabama or Kansas to have both houses and the governor controlled by Dems?

The risk is of greater outlash by the population if its tried. But as we've seen, voters have short memories.
 
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Related to that, the bills author's intentions are not to better represent the state...but rather to improve the chances that the GOP has the next president.

I completely agree, but this is a larger problem. Decisions like this can never be made in a vacuum - there's no "let's make up a fair process and let the chips fall where they may." The outcome of any particular change will ALWAYS be studied to death and the immediate outcome for the next few election cycles will be known - and the side who fares badly will always try to block the change. We're stuck in a local minima when there are so many better ways to do things just over the next ridge...
 
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