2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

[unofan]

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Most? There's just as many religious and individual "liberty" conservatives who like to get riled up that science is solving something. Faith healing fanatics who let their kids or themselves die because medicine is the devil for example. It would be strange for Bacchman to go after a voting block that doesn't at least line up with her religious views.

I know Bill Maher is anti-vaccine as a cure all but are there any dedicated left-wing groups who fit the bill?

Dedicated groups? Not inherently. But when talking about the voluntary non-vaccinators (as opposed to the poor who don't vaccinate because they can't afford it or otherwise can't get their kid to the doctor to get vaccinated), we're generally talking about college educated women who have children later in life. (Note, I'm speaking generally about all vaccines, not solely the HPV vaccine which does have other, more religious objections given the affected body parts).

Unlike the evolution-deniers, anti-vaxers are not inherently religious or otherwise anti-science, and given their college education, are generally upper middle class. Unsurprisingly, they simply don't want to blame themselves for waiting too long to have kids, but want to blame something, anything else instead.

 

[Handyman]

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Condoms are a sin, as is any version of birth control. Can't waste the seed ya know!

HPV is just God's punishment for having sex. Funny he never punishes the priests when they have sex! Maybe God endorses pedophilia

 

[LynahFan]

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I think of "abstinence only" as hardcore old school Catholic. I wasn't aware that any Thumpers had a problem with condoms or even The Pill. They throw a fit when you teach their daughters about birth control because that's making them harlots, but Jesus only cares if you're married, not whether you're protected.

Interesting - definitely not the case with the Thumpers where I grew up (East Tennessee) or the few I ran across in Texas. The HPV vaccine fell into the same category as birth control - the only kids who would need it are the ones having sex. Since their kids would be virgins at marriage (and would only marry nice Christian, virgin partners) they would have no need for the vaccine before or after marriage.

 

[Kepler]

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HPV is just God's punishment for having sex.

The Eastern Orthodox Church opposed sulfa drugs and tetracycline when them came out because syphilis was God's punishment for doing what you weren't supposed to.

It's odd that people who fulminate against the impossibility of perfect information in an economic market believe the subject of human epidemiology is a Divine Planned Economy.

 

[Bakunin]

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I think of "abstinence only" as hardcore old school Catholic.

It has been and continues to be the Catholic Church's official stance. Of course, I imagine most adherents of that religion don't follow that in their own lives.

 

[Kepler]

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Interesting - definitely not the case with the Thumpers where I grew up (East Tennessee) or the few I ran across in Texas. The HPV vaccine fell into the same category as birth control - the only kids who would need it are the ones having sex. Since their kids would be virgins at marriage (and would only marry nice Christian, virgin partners) they would have no need for the vaccine before or after marriage.

Never knew about these people. Of course, where I grew up until I was about 12 I thought the world was 49% Catholic, 49% Jewish, and then there were weird, rare subcults called Buddhists, Hindus, Scientologists, and Protestants.

 

[Priceless]

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I think of "abstinence only" as hardcore old school Catholic. I wasn't aware that any Thumpers had a problem with condoms or even The Pill.

You haven't heard the news out of Mississippi lately...

This law goes back further than Roe v Wade, to Griswold v Connecticut and would not only make abortion illegal, but birth control, The Pill and even rape kits (which can terminate a pregnancy). I said a decade ago that the goal wasn't to overturn Roe it was to get at Griswold. Lo and behold, here they come for Griswold.

 

[LynahFan]

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Never knew about these people. Of course, where I grew up until I was about 12 I thought the world was 49% Catholic, 49% Jewish, and then there were weird, rare subcults called Buddhists, Hindus, Scientologists, and Protestants.

Same, but opposite. My hometown of 35,000 people had 26 *Methodist* churches, and we were well shaded by the forest of Baptist spires. The one Catholic church soldiered bravely on. I only knew 3 Jewish people growing up: one classmate and her single mother (non-practicing) and the wife in a devout family in our church - and I only learned that she was Jewish when she was consulted for our high school's production of Fiddler on the Roof.

 

[Bakunin]

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My hometown had about 30k people / metro area about 150k - and was / is almost completely Protestant.

Perusing their website, the current breakdown (I think metro area, not city-specific) is:
67 Protestant churches
9 Catholic churches
2 Jewish synagogues

I guess that explains why I never knew any Jews or Muslims growing up.

 

[Kepler]

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You haven't heard the news out of Mississippi lately...

This law goes back further than Roe v Wade, to Griswold v Connecticut and would not only make abortion illegal, but birth control, The Pill and even rape kits (which can terminate a pregnancy). I said a decade ago that the goal wasn't to overturn Roe it was to get at Griswold. Lo and behold, here they come for Griswold.

Wow. That's impressively crazy, even for Mississippi.

The clash of civilizations isn't the Muslims vs the West. It's fundamentalists vs the sane.

 

[busterman62]

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Condoms are a sin, as is any version of birth control. Can't waste the seed ya know!

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Bachmann was right about Perry, Merck, and HPV.

Now let's get busy and nominate her so she can be elected.

Thanks.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/129770903.html

 

[Old Pio]

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I sure hope someone took attendance before this flash mob circle jerk.

 

[Old Pio]

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My hometown had about 30k people / metro area about 150k - and was / is almost completely Protestant.

Perusing their website, the current breakdown (I think metro area, not city-specific) is:
67 Protestant churches
9 Catholic churches
2 Jewish synagogues

I guess that explains why I never knew any Jews or Muslims growing up.

You could always move to Dearborn.

 

[Old Pio]

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You gotta love Debbie Wasserman Schultz, this is her take on the results in NY9:

“In this district, there is a large number of people who went to the polls tonight who didn’t support the president to begin with and don’t support Democrats — and it’s nothing more than that,” she said in a telephone interview.

I guess that explains why Deadmeat carried the district by 11 points in '08 and why the Dems have represented it for 90 years!

She's the political equivalent of Monty Python's black knight.

 

[Old Pio]

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I think of "abstinence only" as hardcore old school Catholic. I wasn't aware that any Thumpers had a problem with condoms or even The Pill. They throw a fit when you teach their daughters about birth control because that's making them harlots, but Jesus only cares if you're married, not whether you're protected.

There is certainly some inconsistency in these matters. Among the many memorable scenes in "Inherit the Wind," is the one where Spencer Tracy is questioning Fredric March about how all of the holy men and women in the Bible got "begat," and how it's original sin, etc. "I don't think about things I don't think about."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Maybe the Dems are bitter and just stayed home. Weiner was a high profile Congressman who by all accounts was liked by his district. Heck, I probably would've stayed home as well. But, let the GOP get cocky about it just like the DEMS did when they won the other New York district that was bathed in red prior to the special election.

 

[joecct]

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Here's a rather interesting piece: http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2011/09/what-if-america-did-become-a-theocracy

It's 43 years old, but still an effective warning.. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/p...ts/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html
See para 17 and on...

 

[Old Pio]

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Maybe the Dems are bitter and just stayed home. Weiner was a high profile Congressman who by all accounts was liked by his district. Heck, I probably would've stayed home as well. But, let the GOP get cocky about it just like the DEMS did when they won the other New York district that was bathed in red prior to the special election.

Nobody's "getting cocky" about the results in NY9. Schadenfreude is another matter. But Nate Silver of the notoriously right wing NY Times says this could be bad news for the Dems, in the Senate.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/for-democrats-its-2010-all-over-again/

BTW, Anthony, who's the jacka*s now?

 

[Old Pio]

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Here's a rather interesting piece: http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2011/09/what-if-america-did-become-a-theocracy

It's 43 years old, but still an effective warning.. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/p...ts/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html
See para 17 and on...

During the '60 presidential campaign, anti-catholics would use fingernail polish to paint a red beanie on Thomas Jefferson (on the quarter) made him look like a cardinal.