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World Soccer XVI: The Sadness

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Ironically Serie A has some top teams with very few if any Italians on the team.

I think Inter had 0 Italian internationals, correct me if I'm wrong...in their CL winning line-up.


Inter, as the name suggests, has always been a very international team. Balotelli was their only consistent Italian in the line-up this season. Materazzi and Santon played if there were a lot of injuries on defense.

The Champion's league starting line-up had no Italians.
 
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Heard some rumors on Twitter about AC Milan possibly being interested in Clint Dempsey.


I'd like Dempsey to stay where he can play every week. I imagine Milan is looking at him as a back-up/Copa Italia guy to Pato.

Where does Dempsey play for Fulham, is he strictly a right side guy or could he spot Ronaldinho on the left? I would think getting a solid attacking midfielder on the left is one of Milan's priorities.
 
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Heard some rumors on Twitter about AC Milan possibly being interested in Clint Dempsey.

Dumb question: does the major soccer leagues (IT, EN, SP, GE) have the equivalent of All-Pro teams, and has an American ever been named to one?
 
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Just back from the Region 1 championships.

Some very good soccer being played but as one college coach said to me...'can be boring soccer at times'. Not a lot of creativity on display, but still a lot of exciting games. Losing is certain elimination so the teams tend to be conservative.

While the younger kids are fun to watch, seeing the U19 games from 2 feet away is something. Most/all of those guys are college players so the games are good and there are no weak players to be found.

There are only a few regionals but if you live near one (you'll never get a hotel room) it is worth going for a day...you can see several games at a time for free.

The Schwan's USA Cup starts in Blaine in a week. My kid is playing in the smaller Weekend tourney (B flight) this weekend, but the big one is next week with a number of international youth teams coming. It looks a little weaker for out of state and international teams this year than in the past, I assume due to economy.

http://www.usacup.org/
 
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I'd like Dempsey to stay where he can play every week. I imagine Milan is looking at him as a back-up/Copa Italia guy to Pato.

Where does Dempsey play for Fulham, is he strictly a right side guy or could he spot Ronaldinho on the left? I would think getting a solid attacking midfielder on the left is one of Milan's priorities.
Dempsey played mainly on the left this season, with Hodgson using wide midfielders on their weak side (Damien Duff on the right). Last year he played a mix of left and right, and two years ago he also filled in a bunch at forward when the regulars there were dropping like flies.
Dumb question: does the major soccer leagues (IT, EN, SP, GE) have the equivalent of All-Pro teams, and has an American ever been named to one?
And Brad Friedel and Tim Howard have both been named to the PFA Team of the Year in years past (Howard during his Manchester United days). As far as I'm aware, Spain and Italy and Germany don't have anything similar.
 
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How did Rafa Benitez fall into a better job at Inter then the one he got fired from? :eek:

Also, Blackburn is speculated to be taken over but I don't know who the new owner would be. I hope its someone with deep pockets who can help move them from mid-table to Champions League competition.
 
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Dempsey played mainly on the left this season, with Hodgson using wide midfielders on their weak side (Damien Duff on the right). Last year he played a mix of left and right, and two years ago he also filled in a bunch at forward when the regulars there were dropping like flies.

That makes sense for Milan then. Ronaldinho put up decent numbers last season, but he obviously isn't a long term solution for Milan. Plus, Dempsey's ability to play on the right is a bonus if Pato goes down with injury again. Dempsey could be a real good fit at Milan. It would also be nice in Gooch had a fellow American around.
 
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The Schwan's USA Cup starts in Blaine in a week. My kid is playing in the smaller Weekend tourney (B flight) this weekend, but the big one is next week with a number of international youth teams coming. It looks a little weaker for out of state and international teams this year than in the past, I assume due to economy.

http://www.usacup.org/

I know a lot of teams are taking their travel years and scaling back on the plans to accomodate families with hardships and the lack of fundraising results. I don't think any of our teams went to Europe, opting for domestic travel instead.

I know folks that have been out to Minn for the cup and all said it was great.
 
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Nonsense. That's all fine to say in hindsight, but look at the crap the English media spewed before the Cup. There was none of this junk about how weak the team was. Upson v. Carragher is a false choice, Capello could have picked Dawson instead, but he didn't.

Sven had Rooney when he was young and immature, Capello had him when he was being touted by some as the best player in the world. Ashley Cole is still only 29 and still considered one of the top left backs in international soccer. And on and on and on, we could do this at every position if we wanted to.

1) Who gives an F what the English media says? They always build the team up to ridiculous proportions just to tear them down when they fail. They're not logical and using their actions to justify your position is hilarious. So what if the English media says so. If the English media's hype was real England would have won every World Cup, even the ones they failed to qualify for.

2) Yes, Capello could have used Michael Dawson. Are you daft? Michael Dawson has never been capped by England. Never. Not even one fricken time. He was the 24th man on the roster. There was no way in hell Capello was going to bring Dawson in to start against Germany. He hadn't even capped the player in a friendly and Dawson only made the team because of 3-4 injuries. The logical choice was only between Carragher and Upson.

3) Rooney was never better than when he was for England in 2004. He's never looked better than that as a player, not even for Manchester United.

4) I'm not saying Ashley Cole isn't good, just that he was possibly *the* best left back in the world in 2006. Not anymore.

5) Yes, lets have you do this all day, you don't know what you're talking about. I've shown that for the most part the England team was worse in 2010 than 2006, destroying your absurd contention that Capello had the same team as SGE. Capello had an older, injured version of that 2006 team. Not at a single facet of the team was the same or better in 2010.
 
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1) Who gives an F what the English media says? They always build the team up to ridiculous proportions just to tear them down when they fail. They're not logical and using their actions to justify your position is hilarious. So what if the English media says so. If the English media's hype was real England would have won every World Cup, even the ones they failed to qualify for.

2) Yes, Capello could have used Michael Dawson. Are you daft? Michael Dawson has never been capped by England. Never. Not even one fricken time. He was the 24th man on the roster. There was no way in hell Capello was going to bring Dawson in to start against Germany. He hadn't even capped the player in a friendly and Dawson only made the team because of 3-4 injuries. The logical choice was only between Carragher and Upson.

3) Rooney was never better than when he was for England in 2004. He's never looked better than that as a player, not even for Manchester United.

4) I'm not saying Ashley Cole isn't good, just that he was possibly *the* best left back in the world in 2006. Not anymore.

5) Yes, lets have you do this all day, you don't know what you're talking about. I've shown that for the most part the England team was worse in 2010 than 2006, destroying your absurd contention that Capello had the same team as SGE. Capello had an older, injured version of that 2006 team. Not at a single facet of the team was the same or better in 2010.

1.) I'm just asking where all this fatalism was before the tournament started. It's easy to look back on it now and point out how old and injured everyone is, why didn't anyone point that out when everyone was lining up to give Capello a hummer after rolling through qualifying?
2.) Personally, I don't think it matters one bit how many caps Dawson had. Thomas Mueller didn't get capped 'til March, and he seems to be doing just fine. By all means keep holding onto that holy grail of experience, it's what got you SWP out on the wings over Adam Johnson.
3.) I'd argue that last season's Rooney was pretty darn close, but I respect your opinion.
4.) Again, fair enough. I don't think a miniscule difference between Cole of '06 and Cole of '10 is really a big deal though.
5.) I stand by it. There's no way this team was that much worse than the '06 team. Yes, there are a few differences, but my goodness at least Sven had the good sense not to pick Heskey.
 
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1.) I'm just asking where all this fatalism was before the tournament started. It's easy to look back on it now and point out how old and injured everyone is, why didn't anyone point that out when everyone was lining up to give Capello a hummer after rolling through qualifying?

I think "the English media is effing insane" answers your question as well as anything else.
 
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Sven is the guy who picked Heskey...then put him on late in the Euro 2004 opener against France where Heskey promptly fouled Zidane in a dangerous FK position at the end of 90 minutes, Zidane scored on the FK. So I guess Sven did love Heskey. Sven also put on Hargreaves late on when England was pressing for the equalizer on 10 man Brazil...instead of bringing on a striker or attacking player of any kind.

Stop arguing, you're not going to know more about England than I do.

And EODS has it a hundred percent correct: the English media is insane.
 
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I think "the English media is effing insane" answers your question as well as anything else.

I don't dispute that. It's not just the media though, it's fans as well. Talking up England to great heights before the tournament, and once they've crashed out the players are suddenly too old and injured to have expected anything from them anyways.
Edit: I don't think you've been doing that TBA, didn't want it to come across that way.

Sven is the guy who picked Heskey...then put him on late in the Euro 2004 opener against France where Heskey promptly fouled Zidane in a dangerous FK position at the end of 90 minutes, Zidane scored on the FK. So I guess Sven did love Heskey. Sven also put on Hargreaves late on when England was pressing for the equalizer on 10 man Brazil...instead of bringing on a striker or attacking player of any kind.

Stop arguing, you're not going to know more about England than I do.

He left him out of the '06 squad though was the point I was trying to make. I'm not arguing Sven is some kind of genius, I think he'd be a bad hire for Fulham, but I'm not going to come around to the position that he was any worse for England than Capello has been. I'm not trying to challenge your knowledge of England either, I agree that you know loads more than I do about them.
 
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