World Soccer XIX- Full of Pomp-ey and Circumstance

[Jimjamesak]

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AWFUL call.

Pompey lost today 2-1. First loss and goals conceded in 7 games.

Just to get a little bit of background, were there any previous occasions of Van Persie or the other players kicking the ball after the whistle? What was Van Persie's first caution for?

I can see it either way, I just tend not to trust most of you in this situation as most of you a) like English clubs and b) whine a lot about referees. Van Persie certainly did kick the ball after the whistle, there's no doubt. Whether he heard it or not is up for debate but to me it looks like he did because if he hadn't he wouldn't have shot from where he did. Also, blame him for doing something so stupid, where even the possibility of a caution exists, while carrying a caution already.

 

[jmh]

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I'm pretty sure this was the first potential instance of time-wasting by kicking the ball away after a whistle; it only happened three minutes after the Busquets own goal that put Arsenal ahead. Still, even if Busacca thought it was a deliberate act of time wasting, I think you have to have a word with him about it first. (And I say that as someone who was rooting for Barcelona, so this isn't any bias talking.)

Just watched some highlights; great skill by Messi on the first goal, but what a careless giveaway by Fabregas. Deep in stoppage time like that, you've just gotta get the ball clear.

 

[UNH GH]

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Just to get a little bit of background, were there any previous occasions of Van Persie or the other players kicking the ball after the whistle? What was Van Persie's first caution for?

I can see it either way, I just tend not to trust most of you in this situation as most of you a) like English clubs and b) whine a lot about referees. Van Persie certainly did kick the ball after the whistle, there's no doubt. Whether he heard it or not is up for debate but to me it looks like he did because if he hadn't he wouldn't have shot from where he did. Also, blame him for doing something so stupid, where even the possibility of a caution exists, while carrying a caution already.

Eh. I don't like Arsenal much. But come on. He's playing at Camp Nou, which is incredibly loud. He couldn't even HEAR the whistle. You can barely hear it on TV. As a 2nd Yellow it's an outrageous call.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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I missed you Craig, I mean Jim. What the world needs is more ref boot-lickers to even things out.

He kicked the ball one second after the whistle. That is not time wasting. He had his head down the whole way and shot, using a moronic standard as "he wouldn't have shot from where he did" is hilarious.

Have you ever played high level football? At that exact second he shot, he had a small opening, the keeper might have let one slip through right there...the defender was closing him down. A half second later the shot is potentially blocked.

You can't hear anything on the field there, players have said they can't hear each other on the pitch, how do you expect him to hear a whistle?

 

[WeWantMore]

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Someone reminded me of this story this morning.

During the group stages, a Copenhagen player stopped chasing a ball because he heard a whistle from the Barcelona bench. The general consensus afterwords seemed to be that he should have kept on playing, waiting for a more definitive whistle.

Funny how things change.

 

[WeWantMore]

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In non European news, the draw for the Gold Cup has been made:

Group A
Mexico
Costa Rica
El Salvador
Cuba

Group B
Honduras
Guatemala
Jamaica
Grenada

Group C
United States
Canada
Panama
Guadeloupe

US v. Canada in Detroit on June 7, might be fun.

 

[pirate]

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You're kidding, right? Watching Messi is like watching a zombie, he almost always fights through challenges where other players would go to the ground. If you search Youtube using "messi dive" as your search terms you get videos about how he never dives.

There was a good one posted on here a week or so ago...I'm not saying he has never done it but he, more than most it seems, has confidence that he'll beat the defender anyway so he doesn't drop to the ground when someone touches him.

I'm not saying a basketball official never makes a bad call* but they also have to make split second decisions on charging and they get it right more than soccer refs. I don't think it all comes down to size of field, soccer refs need to do a better job of calling what they see not what they think happened.

* which EPL team is Duke? "Getting every charging call since 1986."

 

[jmh]

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I missed you Craig, I mean Jim. What the world needs is more ref boot-lickers to even things out.

Yeah, only boot-lickers ask for more information and try to see both sides of a situation. People who are really knowledgeable complain about everything and speak in hyperbole.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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There was a good one posted on here a week or so ago...I'm not saying he has never done it but he, more than most it seems, has confidence that he'll beat the defender anyway so he doesn't drop to the ground when someone touches him.

I'm not saying a basketball official never makes a bad call* but they also have to make split second decisions on charging and they get it right more than soccer refs. I don't think it all comes down to size of field, soccer refs need to do a better job of calling what they see not what they think happened.

* which EPL team is Duke? "Getting every charging call since 1986."

Well you do have to remember that Basketball has 3 refs on the court and you're nevermore than half a court away from the incident.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Just to get a little bit of background, were there any previous occasions of Van Persie or the other players kicking the ball after the whistle? What was Van Persie's first caution for?

I can see it either way, I just tend not to trust most of you in this situation as most of you a) like English clubs and b) whine a lot about referees. Van Persie certainly did kick the ball after the whistle, there's no doubt. Whether he heard it or not is up for debate but to me it looks like he did because if he hadn't he wouldn't have shot from where he did. Also, blame him for doing something so stupid, where even the possibility of a caution exists, while carrying a caution already.

Give me a break. It was one second after the whistle, in Nou Camp with 95,000 fans, and apparently the offsides was even tight. It's one of the stupidest calls I've ever seen in sports.

Just shows the Arsenal haters will hate no matter what. Busacca is yet another ref who can't handle the pressure of a big match. In all he gave five yellows to Arsenal, a number of which were soft, to none for Barca, despite Alves catching Nasri bad, etc.

On diving, Alves is the bad one, much worse than Messi, who does fight through some stuff, even if he rolls around here and there. But Alves is really bad, which is a shame, as he's quite a talent.

 

[AMC]

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Just to get us in the mood for Spurs-Milan today.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I missed you Craig, I mean Jim. What the world needs is more ref boot-lickers to even things out.

I don't expect we'll be hearing from Craig on this one, as he usually likes to trot out some quote from the referee section over on bigsoccer. But in this case it's pretty much unanimous in the referee section over on bigsoccer that this was a really bad call by the ref.

 

[Craig P.]

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I don't expect we'll be hearing from Craig on this one, as he usually likes to trot out some quote from the referee section over on bigsoccer. But in this case it's pretty much unanimous in the referee section over on bigsoccer that this was a really bad call by the ref.

If you don't have any interest in reading what I have to say, I'd suggest you put me on your ignore list so that I no longer bother you.

 

[Bob Gray]

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If you don't have any interest in reading what I have to say, I'd suggest you put me on your ignore list so that I no longer bother you.

No, I just know that over the years you don't say anything to me unless you want to disagree with me, and here it'd be hard for you to do so in this case, given how your referees' forum on bigsoccer is pretty unanimous in their criticism of the call on Van Persie. I suspect that's why don't comment on the Van Persie call now. You've been doing it for over ten years, so I don't expect you'll change now.

 

[Craig P.]

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No, I just know that over the years you don't say anything to me unless you want to disagree with me

I generally don't much like just saying, "me too". I post when I have something to say that either hasn't been said, or is in contradiction with something already said.

and here it'd be hard for you to do so in this case, given how your referees' forum on bigsoccer is pretty unanimous in their criticism of the call on Van Persie. I suspect that's why don't comment on the Van Persie call now. You've been doing it for over ten years, so I don't expect you'll change now.

I don't comment on it because I haven't seen it. Similarly, I don't comment on the penalty because I haven't seen it.

Also, see above. Why should I add to a chorus of disapproval when I have nothing novel to say? The result is that I'm far more likely to post because I disagree with the prevailing wisdom here.

 

[AMC]

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Jesus I am nervous.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I generally don't much like just saying, "me too". I post when I have something to say that either hasn't been said, or is in contradiction with something already said.

I don't comment on it because I haven't seen it. Similarly, I don't comment on the penalty because I haven't seen it.

Also, see above. Why should I add to a chorus of disapproval when I have nothing novel to say? The result is that I'm far more likely to post because I disagree with the prevailing wisdom here.

Sure.

 

[Craig P.]

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I'll add, I think the discussion on BS is a little bit different from what is presented to be here. Yes, there's harsh criticism of Busacca (with a concurrent observation, backed by some history, that he seems predisposed to impose himself on big games in situations where such imposition is not called-for), but there's also an interesting note that it's impossible to evaluate timing from the U.S. broadcast of the game because of sync issues. (Doesn't mean RvP heard the whistle, just that the comment that "he only had a second from the whistle to shooting" argument may not actually be correct.)

 

[AMC]

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Wooooooooooooo!!!!! Final 8!

 

[Malts18]

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Give me a break. It was one second after the whistle, in Nou Camp with 95,000 fans, and apparently the offsides was even tight. It's one of the stupidest calls I've ever seen in sports.

Just shows the Arsenal haters will hate no matter what. Busacca is yet another ref who can't handle the pressure of a big match. In all he gave five yellows to Arsenal, a number of which were soft, to none for Barca, despite Alves catching Nasri bad, etc.

On diving, Alves is the bad one, much worse than Messi, who does fight through some stuff, even if he rolls around here and there. But Alves is really bad, which is a shame, as he's quite a talent.

Bob... I fully expected EVERYTHING that happened yesterday. 5 yellows for Arsenal? You betcha. 0 for Barca? Sure... they are at the Nou Camp ... like the Yankees at Yankee Stadium. I am disappointed, but hardly surprised. S hit... did you see the non-penalty call in the Sunderland-Arsenal game (I posted it on this thread)?? Hell, if Arsenal can't even get that call AT HOME, how in the hell were they ever going to get an even shake vs Barca at the Nou Camp?!! LOL! I am not mad... as I said... it was to be expected.