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World Soccer XIII: Through the Group Stages

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Terrierbyassociation said:
Do you even know why FC Sheriff is competitive?

Or are you just spouting nonsense for the fun of it?

FC Sheriff is owned and operated by Sheriff company, which gave the club a huge advantage. So to act like the team got to the top through hard work is ludicrious.

If Sheriff is so amazing, why are only two of the Moldovan national teamers playing for Sheriff? Why is the majority of the team (in a landslide) not Maldovan at all? Even some of the players that the team claims are Maldovan are from Senegal and other countries.

Maldova doesn't have a single national teamer playing in England, Italy, Spain or Germany. None in France or Portugal or Scotland or the Netherlands (the next 4 strongest domestic leagues.)
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Do those leagues have Romanians or Russians who quite possibly are from that area? It's only been independent like 20 years. Those players wouldn't necessarily identify as Moldovian.

Also this is a small country, so its not likely they are going to have a ton of top tier talent to choose from.

Why does it matter how the team became successful? The point is they are, and they are part of that league.

Why is Real Madrid successful? because they buy the best players regardless of country to play for them. How is that different.

Ultimately you are choosing a country to play for based on national success, thats fine. But lets not pretend its because you feel some real affinity for being from there.
 
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Kepler said:
Maybe he doesn't view soccer as a nationalist? I mean, does he have to? Are the Russians who leave the Russian league and come to play in the NHL traitors?
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If they thereafter play for the U.S. or Canada in the Olympics, then yes. Merely coming here to earn a living isn't traiorous, it'd be the fact that they'd play against their own country.

I don't care that Rossi went to Italy to play professionally. But the fact that he claims to be American in everything but soccer yet chose to play for Italy against America on the world's biggest sporting stage means he deserves every bit of schadenfruede that comes his way.

Edit: (back when baseball teams actually represented their towns/neighborhoods, then yes, jumping ship from the mets to the yankees would be bad. Pro leagues haven't been like that for 50 years, though. National teams, different story alltogether).
 
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I read his quote as he was an american in the sense that he grew up here and his likes, such as TV shows, are very american. I took it to be more in that vein than I consider myself an American when it benefits me (as has been quoted a few times).
 
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So MLS question: Do you think they'll ever try to do a Euro-style schedule? Or are factors such as climate, competition for viewers, and what not too much to change the schedule?
 
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collegehcky2 said:
So MLS question: Do you think they'll ever try to do a Euro-style schedule? Or are factors such as climate, competition for viewers, and what not too much to change the schedule?
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What do you mean, euro-style schedule? Like, home and home, double round robin, no playoffs? Or like on a fall-to-spring calendar?

Fall to spring won't ever happen. Climate makes it impossible. FIFA's insistence on such subjects only makes them look stupid. I can't find it now, but there's a great quote from a US coach about how the English ex-pats who insist on playing in the winter do so only out of nostalgia for their home country and without any acknowledgment of North American climate and playing conditions, and how kicking a wet ball through snow and mud isn't good for the game - that quote was from 1925 or something like that.

As for double round robin, that may happen eventually, but MLS already has some severe schedule congestion (between MLS, US Open Cup, CONCACAF, and SuperLiga for some teams) on relatively small rosters (thanks to MLS budgets), so they want to keep the league schedule in the 30-32 game range. That occasionally works out for a balanced schedule, but other factors make unbalanced schedules perfectly acceptable.

I think a few years back, DC United (playing in league, US Open Cup, CONCACAF Champions League, and the SuperLiga) played more games in a summer than Manchester United did in a similar time period - and did so on a smaller roster with much longer road trips (flying all over North and Central America, while Man U's longest roadie was one game in Moscow for Champions League or something).

So, no. It's not going to change anytime soon.
 
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I agree a "Euro style" schedule is unlikely. What about a Clausura / Apertura style like the Mexican and South American leagues use? A fall season, then a winter break (admittedly said break would have to be longer in the US due to climate differences), and then a spring season.

Although I don't think the system we have now is quite so bad. I think it's kind of cool how soccer is more of a summer activity here, with big clubs coming in from abroad for friendlies and the league going on at the same time.
 
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blockski said:
As for double round robin, that may happen eventually, but MLS already has some severe schedule congestion (between MLS, US Open Cup, CONCACAF, and SuperLiga for some teams) on relatively small rosters (thanks to MLS budgets), so they want to keep the league schedule in the 30-32 game range. That occasionally works out for a balanced schedule, but other factors make unbalanced schedules perfectly acceptable.
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There are 16 teams in MLS right now; a double round robin would be 30 games.
 
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WeWantMore said:
I agree a "Euro style" schedule is unlikely. What about a Clausura / Apertura style like the Mexican and South American leagues use? A fall season, then a winter break (admittedly said break would have to be longer in the US due to climate differences), and then a spring season.

Although I don't think the system we have now is quite so bad. I think it's kind of cool how soccer is more of a summer activity here, with big clubs coming in from abroad for friendlies and the league going on at the same time.
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I've seen the idea floated, but the end result would still be a massive (months long) break in the winter and a very short break in the summer. You'd twist yourself in knots trying to make it work and you'd still not line up with FIFA's dates and breaks, etc.

Soccer has always been a 'summer' sport here, for good reason.
 
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jmh said:
There are 16 teams in MLS right now; a double round robin would be 30 games.
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Yes, that's what is happening this season. Next year, they add two teams but will still play a 30 game season.

Right now, the league draws much better on weekends than weeknights. More than 30 games in the season means more weeknight games and it likely means you need larger rosters (and the money to pay for them) to keep teams fresh and able to compete.

It might happen down the line, but this year's schedule is more of a product of circumstance than anything else.
 
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blockski said:
Yes, that's what is happening this season. Next year, they add two teams but will still play a 30 game season.

Right now, the league draws much better on weekends than weeknights. More than 30 games in the season means more weeknight games and it likely means you need larger rosters (and the money to pay for them) to keep teams fresh and able to compete.

It might happen down the line, but this year's schedule is more of a product of circumstance than anything else.
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Ah, so they actually ARE doing a double round robin this year. I didn't realize that.
 
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Oddly enough I read this article on the 24th American at the World Cup:

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/...ven-Subotic-to-Serbia-still-haunts-US-program

I've soured somewhat on Subotic. Part of it is that Thomas Rongen's role seems to be less and less influential as time went on. The cut from the under-20 team now seems like mere pretext. If, as he suggests, he never intended to play for the senior team, he basically took the federation for a ride to further his own career. At least Rossi never led anyone on about where he wanted to spend his national team career.
 
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WeWantMore said:
And yet they insist on keeping the silly conferences.
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Eh, they'll have to go back to the conferences in a year or two at most so it would seem pointless to go single table for one season. Hopefully Superliga will die eventually and squads will expand to the point where the US open cup doesn't suck up resources like it does now and a 34-36 game single table isn't impossible.
 
unofan said:
If they thereafter play for the U.S. or Canada in the Olympics, then yes. Merely coming here to earn a living isn't traiorous, it'd be the fact that they'd play against their own country.

I don't care that Rossi went to Italy to play professionally. But the fact that he claims to be American in everything but soccer yet chose to play for Italy against America on the world's biggest sporting stage means he deserves every bit of schadenfruede that comes his way.
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This.
 
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I'm not having any problem with him getting jeers from the USA fans for him being left off the roster.

Taking it very personally might be a little much.
 
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