Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
yup, so the solution to all of our political problems is not to vote at all...got it
yup, so the solution to all of our political problems is not to vote at all...got it
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Wisconsin vs Total Recall
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WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Not sure how you got to that from the given post. The first reference was to Walker supporters who are dismayed at some of his actions.
Not sure how you got to that from the given post. The first reference was to Walker supporters who are dismayed at some of his actions.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
No, just stop voting for vacuous nimrods with no real ideas. Sorry righties, the top down economic model has been tried now, twice, and it failed both times. Time to try something else.
No, just stop voting for vacuous nimrods with no real ideas. Sorry righties, the top down economic model has been tried now, twice, and it failed both times. Time to try something else.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
In the case of Wisconsin, Barrett and whats her name were not nimrods? Sorry democrats, your politics have been tried forever and its gotten us where? Whoever you vote for is likely to disappoint you in some way. That was the point of my response.
In the case of Wisconsin, Barrett and whats her name were not nimrods? Sorry democrats, your politics have been tried forever and its gotten us where? Whoever you vote for is likely to disappoint you in some way. That was the point of my response.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Yeah, liberalism only created the middle class and 50 years of prosperity. I mean, Jesus, how much of that do you expect people to take?!
Yeah, liberalism only created the middle class and 50 years of prosperity. I mean, Jesus, how much of that do you expect people to take?!
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
And why does that all get attributed to liberalism?
Yeah, liberalism only created the middle class and 50 years of prosperity. I mean, Jesus, how much of that do you expect people to take?!
And why does that all get attributed to liberalism?
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
And modern day Detroit!
Yeah, liberalism only created the middle class and 50 years of prosperity. I mean, Jesus, how much of that do you expect people to take?!
And modern day Detroit!
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
What great economic theory did conservatism come up with that worked? The only two I know of are trickle down and austerity and they've both been abysmal failures. Yet, Ryan's and Walker's entire economic plan is exactly in those two camps.
What great economic theory did conservatism come up with that worked? The only two I know of are trickle down and austerity and they've both been abysmal failures. Yet, Ryan's and Walker's entire economic plan is exactly in those two camps.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
And in the long term we should continue to grow government and grow debt? yup, that sounds like a great idea.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Who said that?
Reagan's trickle down theory grew plenty of debt.
Please, try to keep up instead of exhausting the same GOP talking points over and over again. Obama did shrink the deficit you know. Bush II did not.
Who said that?
Reagan's trickle down theory grew plenty of debt.
Please, try to keep up instead of exhausting the same GOP talking points over and over again. Obama did shrink the deficit you know. Bush II did not.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Liberals hate Walker, I hate Dayton in Minnesota. You act like its all policy, but if Walker ever did anything you'd normally want done you'd find a way to hate it. I'm sure I'd do the same if Dayton did it here in Minnesota.
I'm sure there are liberal Bucks fans who are thrilled the State is helping build the Bucks a new arena, after helping the Brewers, etc, but you'll never here a Liberal admit they like Walker for doing that...all you'll hear is them ripping him for doing something that can't possibly be fiscally conservative, and I agree with that. He deserves to be ribbed for that. Its not like I get money (beyond a mortgage interest deduction), because I will pay more taxes because I'm staying in minnesota if I buy a house.
Liberals hate Walker, I hate Dayton in Minnesota. You act like its all policy, but if Walker ever did anything you'd normally want done you'd find a way to hate it. I'm sure I'd do the same if Dayton did it here in Minnesota.
I'm sure there are liberal Bucks fans who are thrilled the State is helping build the Bucks a new arena, after helping the Brewers, etc, but you'll never here a Liberal admit they like Walker for doing that...all you'll hear is them ripping him for doing something that can't possibly be fiscally conservative, and I agree with that. He deserves to be ribbed for that. Its not like I get money (beyond a mortgage interest deduction), because I will pay more taxes because I'm staying in minnesota if I buy a house.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Because liberal policies slow down the tendency of wealth to concentrate under a "free" market. Conservative economics only works on paper -- in practice, the wealth gap immediately corrupts politics and the Have Nots are left to the tender mercies of the Haves. Meanwhile, the Haves become a smaller and smaller club of richer and richer people, who continue to bend the laws their way to insulate themselves from accountability while building a plutocracy. Inevitably, we get 1929 or 2006, when the system snaps under the pressure.
The sole counterargument the right ever had was that conservative policies increase the size of the pie so much that a smaller relative slice is still a larger slice overall. That sounded plausible, so we gave it a shot in 1980, and since then real wages for everyone except the 1% have stagnated, while debt (paid by everyone) has exploded. Supply side was a worthwhile experiment, but it failed. The experiment's over. The only policies that have ever made America prosperous have been liberal.
Because liberal policies slow down the tendency of wealth to concentrate under a "free" market. Conservative economics only works on paper -- in practice, the wealth gap immediately corrupts politics and the Have Nots are left to the tender mercies of the Haves. Meanwhile, the Haves become a smaller and smaller club of richer and richer people, who continue to bend the laws their way to insulate themselves from accountability while building a plutocracy. Inevitably, we get 1929 or 2006, when the system snaps under the pressure.
The sole counterargument the right ever had was that conservative policies increase the size of the pie so much that a smaller relative slice is still a larger slice overall. That sounded plausible, so we gave it a shot in 1980, and since then real wages for everyone except the 1% have stagnated, while debt (paid by everyone) has exploded. Supply side was a worthwhile experiment, but it failed. The experiment's over. The only policies that have ever made America prosperous have been liberal.
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Yeah, but Minnesota's economy is rocking right now under Dayton and Wisconsin's is all but in the toilet under Walker. I rest my case.
Yeah, but Minnesota's economy is rocking right now under Dayton and Wisconsin's is all but in the toilet under Walker. I rest my case.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
and texas is conservative and responsible for the major of all job growth in this country in the last decade...
and texas is conservative and responsible for the major of all job growth in this country in the last decade...
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Sure. Cause they're getting people to move there. Just wait until those people want their kids educated. Then see what happens. In other words, it won't last.
Sure. Cause they're getting people to move there. Just wait until those people want their kids educated. Then see what happens. In other words, it won't last.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
We have never seen true trickle down economics in this country. I doubt it's ever been truly implemented in any nation. At most, it's been done in half measures, the cutting of taxes, but never is spending cut, and therefore defecits grow, requiring more gov't borrowing. That tends to exacerbate problems, anyone who's actually schooled in trickle down could give hours and hours worth of discussion as to why what we've tried in this country was doomed to failure.
We have never seen true trickle down economics in this country. I doubt it's ever been truly implemented in any nation. At most, it's been done in half measures, the cutting of taxes, but never is spending cut, and therefore defecits grow, requiring more gov't borrowing. That tends to exacerbate problems, anyone who's actually schooled in trickle down could give hours and hours worth of discussion as to why what we've tried in this country was doomed to failure.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Not at all the same thing. Read an in depth analysis of trickle down economics, and then tell me when we've ever done all the steps needed to fulfill the building blocks. Not once have we ever cut spending. At most, we've occasionally cut the growth rate, but it's never actually been cut. That reduction in spending is a BIG part of the theory that's never going to be politically viable because it's too easy to score sympathy points by those who don't understand it. We've never had trickle down economics.
Not at all the same thing. Read an in depth analysis of trickle down economics, and then tell me when we've ever done all the steps needed to fulfill the building blocks. Not once have we ever cut spending. At most, we've occasionally cut the growth rate, but it's never actually been cut. That reduction in spending is a BIG part of the theory that's never going to be politically viable because it's too easy to score sympathy points by those who don't understand it. We've never had trickle down economics.